Iclassic staff
 

Boycott until you're paid. You're putting in the time and work you deserve a percentage. Discuss..

Not sure why this is being deleted

If we wanted to be paid we wouldn't have applied in the first place :p

If I had the option to get paid doing something I like rather than not getting paid, I think id choose getting paid. Staff have the power to create change here on graal and I think it's about time you guys stand up for yourselves. Stefan uses you guys as free labor making money off your hard work. You don't want a percentage of that? You have to be crazy.

If the players boycotted instead of the staff it would make a bigger impact:D

Lmao

^^^

They work in here for experience, and most developers already have real jobs.

Yeah it's not like people develop as a legitimate hobby. No wait, that's exactly why half of us have dev'd on Graal and continue to do so. It's never been about the money, but you're totally oldschool enough to know this.

LMAO

It's all good Colin.

That has nothing to do with this thread but the fact you brought it up means you have nothing to say to any points made here, good day Demrow.

To be honest the scipters reallly should be paid. We all know the rest of the staff could easily be replaced whenever because of the demand of people WANTING to be "admin". The scripters, and maybe the head of the graphics department and such should earn at-least a suitable compensation fee. Stefan doesn't want to, but if scripters boycotted, he would either be forced to organize some sort of new free coders (which is hard) or do everything himself.

Thing is they won't boycott because they love what they do, they aren't in it for the money so I don't understand why you guys are arguing what they do.

I concur. Dont piss off your customers graal. Dont do it!

How am I supposed to respond to "lmao". You post something meaningless and
Then I do. I swear to god you are the dumbest most backwards person I've ever engaged with.

yeah meaningless I tell yeah! (the ^^^ was me quoting Reece)

I agree not all staff should be paid. FAQs, GPs (volunteer), graphics, levels, scripters (An incentive to produce).

LOL Demrow, once on graal a guy i met pm'ed me 'hi' so i replied 'how are you?' and he replied 'why?'. I felt something broke inside my head, my logic systems failed and I fail to find the words to reply. Some people in graal seems to come from a different planet with completely different social norms.

Haha I'd look at the order of post before you put together your dumb response. Crono and Reece don't speak for you. You started off with a pointless "lmao" which didn't contribute anything. Work harder in school please.

What we really need is REAL CUSTOMER SERVICE. not [email protected]

not everybody knows that some people try their best to get hired just so they can feel important. Some people get sucked into this aura of "importance" that graal has used to sucker people in since the beginning. there are very few people that volunteer for the sole purpose of helping graal become a better game. gp's and graphics are the ones that get easily suckered into this "importance" aura. I would bet 95% of the "artists" here started doing art because of graal.

I'll explain since you don't get it.

The staff develop this game, in their free time, as a hobby. The only responsibility it comes with is the expectation that you can carry a workload, and if not then you will potentially be replaced.

Paying staff would take it from being a hobby to a responsibility. Staff would be expected to complete work, on demand, and be paid for it.

Current staff are completely fine with developing the game as a hobby (obviously, considering we have those who currently do it). The only time that paying staff comes into discussion is when you guys constantly make these crybaby threads about how there's nothing to do and have these expectations that the staff of this game are supposed to please you at your every demand.

The staff of this game don't need to or want to "boycott" anything, otherwise they would not have applied. If the management of this game has an interest in meeting all of your greedy demands concerning this 100% free game, then they should hire paid developers. Considering they are completely out of touch and haven't cared for over a decade, they don't.

So, it's one of two options:

1. Players need to realize that it's a free game that is currently developed by volunteers and not be such crybabies and beg for things.
2. Management needs to realize that there is often a lack of developmental updates and hire a development team on the side of the game.

Asking the current staff to stop working makes no sense.

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No, it made sense, you just have a personal vendetta with me and feel the need to act out towards me when ever you are given the chance.
This post right here just put an end to the argument, enjoy your day everyone.

Exactly GOAT thats why we need CS staff members that arent players. Like someone they hired in America that went through normal face to face interviews and went through everything that a proper customer service member is trained to do.This way when we speak to a CS member we know that they might not be Bob the kid we beat in a spar and now holds a personal grudge against us. And we know for sure the CS guy did not do the job simply for that aura of importance and for the hats, and will do his job the way his boss wants him to do. If you think about it, outside of those text based MUD games, i dont know any MMO even the cheap FB apps that uses player based volunteers as 'staff'
Most have some nice DMs from the companies who will respond to you the way a real customer service will do. Not put on a vague 'INAPPROPRIATE' tag on your uploads without further explanations.

Customer Support isn't handled by players, it is a job that high level staff members deal with lol, I think Graal allowing player volunteers to be staff is good, it gives people experience for the real world, hell I put it on my resume and got a job off it.

Personally, I think that having a paid staff would help the game out in many ways, but as long as people work for free("do their hobby") ownership wont have a need to hire people.





This could have been a good discussion thread, but the problem with the forum ATM is that most posters let their personal feelings towards other posters influence their post. Thats why the negativity starts quickly.


Wanting the game to improve is not being a crybaby. Just how people should be free to enjoy the game the way they want they should be able to think the way they want.

Thallen you realize that there are other free games with paid staff members??That argument is void. They make their money off the in game economy. The lack of new content on iclassic is due to what? Lack of man power skill, and motivation?? What better way to motivate staff then by giving them some incentive to complete projects. An incentive will keep that "hobby feel" while not demanding staff to be on 8am-5. You even said yourself they should hire a development team. By pushing staff to speak up (if they want) and ask for extra motivation(incentive), I think it would both benefit players and staff.

Why is this even a topic? The staff are doing this because they like it, it isn't your place to argue what they get or not especially when some of them have even told you they are doing it because they enjoy it, they don't care about money they already have incentive to complete projects, this whole thing is idiotic.

If it's bothering you so much then leave god damnit I am tired of people posting threads like this with useless complaining.

Colin= not staff. Let them speak.

Extra incentive for staff benefits players and staff. Game has a lack of content and a lot of potential. I'd like that potential maximized.

Great, learn to develop and start doing that, other wise you are in no position to judge what the current development structure is like.

Money doesn't buy incentive, and I don't think you understand that.

I would rather have content that someone created because they wanted to than content they created because they were paid to.

They're not getting paid anytime soon..
But I will say they could be using their talents elsewhere

Dumbest thing I've heard out your mouth by far.

No it isn't, if you're going to complain about "lack of content and a lot of potential" then get off your lazy ass and learn to develop instead of crying on the forums.

No matter how hard I try to debate with you and keep things on point, you always bring it back to your little personal vendetta with me, I have no respect for you at this point.

If you want change to happen put on your big boy pants and do it, everyone can talk about it but it isn't going to change because there is nothing wrong.

You're an idiot just stop

in·cen·tive
inˈsentiv/
noun
a thing that motivates or encourages one to do something.

They are motivated to develop because they enjoy it, no matter how clear I make this point you won't ever counter argue it besides using an insult towards me, so clearly you know I am right in this scenario.

You're an idiot. Put that on your resume and see the response you get back.

Well, seeing as I currently have a job right now while working two other free lance side jobs I don't really need to hand any out right now, but I'll keep that in mind pal!

Anyways, I am done here, good bye.

/closethread due to stupidity.

For you mr Simmons who does not read everything. I'm not doing this for just the staff. Read everything before you add your comments.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Making money doing what you love > not making money doing what you love.

I find it to be an easy choice. I'm guessing you're young toxic without any bills and an infinite amount of time to spend making things for free for another man. I think you'll change that attitude when you're older. It's every business owners dream to find free labor. It shouldn't be something an employee enjoys.

Actually I'm in college at MSU studying Psychology. Most of the staff on Graal are adolescents and it would be illegal to give them a full salary. By making this thread you're not only showing how idiotic you are, but you're showing your lack of knowledge in Graal, and the real world. Research before you post to avoid looking like an immature, stupid child.

but the staff don't want to be paid

Go blue! I should come to east Lansing and beat the **** out of you. College is not the real world kid. Incentives are not salary.

People keep saying Graal is a free game. What serious players don't purchase the character slot pack, and the GH pack? And tons of people buy gralat packs (way more than are willing to admit). Just because these things are technically optional doesn't mean that a pretty large percentage of the 3500+ playerbase don't spend money on it. With that said, I don't think devs necessarily need to be payed if they do enjoy what they do strictly as a hobby, but I would like to see some of that money (or more or it, rather) go back into the game itself.

I have one more question, I bought Graal Classic a long time ago (2010) so I don't really know what's changed in terms of the game's price, but back then they had the plus version which was 99 cents, and the "free" version which didn't include all the heads and some other stuff. Is this no longer the case? Is it just free now..? :sarcastic:

Yeah, it's free now, but only for iOS.

PC requires you to buy the packs with gralats (not sure why).

That makes sense, in theory.

In reality, money comes with the unfortunate cost of setting expectations.

When there is no money involved, you can just develop at your own pace, without much stress or demands.

Once money gets involved, there become demands, expectations, pressures, etc. that can ruin your 'hobby' and make it stressful instead of enjoyable.

Haha god damnit..I suggested an incentive. The amount of work and time you put in is up to you! The more you do the more you get. If you sit around not doing anything nothing happens.

lolol they dont need an incentive

:0 There is a thing called volunteer work. it exists. online and offline. but thank you for the concern <3

Yeah volunteer work is generally done for less fortunate people by more fortunate people. I'm pretty sure Stefans doing just fine.

Good add Hadi, glad you participated in this thread...laughoutloudoutlaugh?