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Sicx 12-27-2014 07:47 PM
Helios and Plan B "hacked"
 
Apparently Helios and Plan B, towering guilds, were "hacked" and hours were reset. Any input or details?

reyalS 12-27-2014 07:49 PM
First I've heard of it.

Vulcan Blaze 12-27-2014 07:52 PM
Outside of the Battle Tower there have been loads of rampages and boycotts. I had no idea what they where about, however I remember them mentioning the word Helios. Ill try get a pic of it, if I can :o

Seanster 12-27-2014 08:30 PM
They weren't hacked, but rather were using hackers.

Colin 12-27-2014 08:48 PM
/LizardSquad

rip

Thallen 12-27-2014 09:26 PM
Quote:
Posted by Seanster (Post 530429)
They weren't hacked, but rather were using hackers.
I feel like the process for choosing when to reset a tower guild is pretty selective and trivial. What exactly is the criteria that determines when you guys reset a guild vs. just banning a player? If they were using hackers and they were reset, then good job.

And LOL, wasn't Helios in the 900s?

Erick 12-27-2014 09:32 PM
Happy 1k lol

Craftz 12-27-2014 09:34 PM
Quote:
Posted by Thallen (Post 530436)
I feel like the process for choosing when to reset a tower guild is pretty selective and trivial. What exactly is the criteria that determines when you guys reset a guild vs. just banning a player? If they were using hackers and they were reset, then good job.

And LOL, wasn't Helios in the 900s?
They were at 999:30, and they had a lead in the guild using god mode or smething like that.

#Happy0kHelios

Thallen 12-27-2014 09:52 PM
Intentional, repeated lag blocking should be getting the same treatment

Neil 12-27-2014 10:34 PM
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Posted by Craftz1 (Post 530438)
They were at 999:30

ROFL

Bryan* 12-27-2014 11:05 PM
I was told by a member that they were reset due to having a lead named Smilz use hacks like (speed/infinite health). If they had the chance to kick him, they should have instead of letting him stay. For a guild that needed 21 minutes to 1K, that is sad to see. But there are more important things to worry about then that.

Livid 12-27-2014 11:08 PM
I think its funny, because they actually hacked multiple times before so I'm surprised they were caught this late

Neil 12-27-2014 11:14 PM
Should have been reset at 999:59:59.

MattKan 12-28-2014 12:36 AM
I don't really like the fact that one person in a guild can get the entire guild deleted. It just encourages guilds to be more selective and exclusionary and disables players who aren't part of the almighty Classic clique from joining any successful guilds.

Clown 12-28-2014 01:12 AM
Waiting for the day you can hire professional hackers to join the guilds and get them reset suicide-bomber style

Natso 12-28-2014 01:27 AM
They had a bunch of dudes on noob account hacking for the last hour as " fun " , then they got resent and started throwing occusations towards other people like leader of cursed claiming they didn't do it and the cursed guild did it ....

Zetectic 12-28-2014 02:23 AM
Quote:
Posted by MattKan (Post 530498)
I don't really like the fact that one person in a guild can get the entire guild deleted. It just encourages guilds to be more selective and exclusionary and disables players who aren't part of the almighty Classic clique from joining any successful guilds.
if its the other way around, we will think this is encouraging more hackers to be used in tower guilds.

Wolfie 12-28-2014 02:55 AM
-20 mins of laughing-

Miscy 12-28-2014 03:04 AM
From that point on, Helios is restarting in a new guild called Oracius, and Plan B is still continuung in their guild.

Thallen 12-28-2014 04:32 AM
never 4get Voxel 1k hallway party with hacker strobe lights and VOXEL 1K graphic

Mio 12-28-2014 05:13 AM
omg letz ssttart a guold and lez hacks

MattKan 12-28-2014 06:01 AM
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Posted by Zetectic (Post 530520)
if its the other way around, we will think this is encouraging more hackers to be used in tower guilds.
So ban the hacker. Maybe even discipline the bystanders or ban the guild from towering for a week. There's gotta be a compromise here instead of outright deleting the guild.

Mizochi 12-28-2014 06:07 AM
top 5 fav graal moment

RcSusu 12-28-2014 06:08 AM
Quote:
Posted by MattKan (Post 530556)
So ban the hacker. Maybe even discipline the bystanders or ban the guild from towering for a week. There's gotta be a compromise here instead of outright deleting the guild.
1. Hacking is a serious offence
2. What I believe is everyone in the guild KNEW he hacked, so they should have reported him and not let him be.
3. Refer to 1, should be banned for 2 months.

Nep 12-28-2014 06:45 AM
I was with Helios the whole time, its true that the leads were aware of others hacking, and just laughed about it in chat. I think this would teach the whole of graal a lesson.

Seanster 12-28-2014 08:44 AM
Quote:
Posted by Thallen (Post 530436)
I feel like the process for choosing when to reset a tower guild is pretty selective and trivial. What exactly is the criteria that determines when you guys reset a guild vs. just banning a player? If they were using hackers and they were reset, then good job.

And LOL, wasn't Helios in the 900s?

They were using hackers multiple times. Since their hours are gained in illegal methods, no matter what amount of hours, they don't deserve them. just banning a player will encourage guilds to use hackers, which is something we wanna avoid don't we?

MBK 12-28-2014 09:36 AM
http://imgur.com/SlQ5fXw

Howl 12-28-2014 09:53 AM
Ew, towering.

Ryan 12-28-2014 10:29 AM
If members of their guild were hacking then good job that they were reset, and it's 10 times more funny that they were reset so close to 1k hours

Myst 12-28-2014 10:32 AM
Quote:
Posted by Colin (Post 530431)
/LizardSquad

rip
Lol please

Livid 12-28-2014 10:43 AM
Quote:
Posted by Thallen (Post 530544)
never 4get Voxel 1k hallway party with hacker strobe lights and VOXEL 1K graphic
http://i60.tinypic.com/2cpc70g.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/ev5bow.jpg
Funny cuz I was there to take pics when we towered in Voxel

Kosiris 12-28-2014 12:56 PM
I recorded Smilz health hacking in Sardon's flag room to hold the tower for Plan B. He was also speed hacking but I couldn't get that on tape. Any way I could upload the footage from my camera roll?
Edit: here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0G48fJNg3A

Seanster 12-28-2014 01:50 PM
Quote:
Posted by Khaled (Post 530632)
I recorded Smilz health hacking in Sardon's flag room to hold the tower for Plan B. He was also speed hacking but I couldn't get that on tape. Any way I could upload the footage from my camera roll?
You can transfer it to your computer via iTunes if you're an iDevice user, or in any other way different phones use.

Natso 12-28-2014 09:05 PM
Quote:
Posted by Livid (Post 530599)
http://i60.tinypic.com/2cpc70g.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/ev5bow.jpg
Funny cuz I was there to take pics when we towered in Voxel
The guild house hack wasn't that bad , however if someone had photosensitive epilepsy and entered that hall way they would easily fall into a fit ...

Also u can't say ban the player and not reset the guild , everyone in the guild was a part of this , they knew there were people hacking but they simply let them be , the correct thing to do would have been to kick them instead if just watching

Common Sense 12-28-2014 11:38 PM
Quote:
Posted by Thallen (Post 530436)
I feel like the process for choosing when to reset a tower guild is pretty selective and trivial. What exactly is the criteria that determines when you guys reset a guild vs. just banning a player? If they were using hackers and they were reset, then good job.

And LOL, wasn't Helios in the 900s?
The last time I saw them, they were at 988 or something like that.

EDIT: Holy **** 999:30? LOL omg best moment of Graal 2014

Also wasn't the leader scamming people during Christmas and get banned? LMFAO karma is a *****.

The thing that makes it so funny is that they got reset when they were so close to 1k lmao

Sardon 12-29-2014 12:11 AM
Thats just sad but Im not because my hat was not accepted for the 1k rofl

I think it would be a bit better to give them half their hours because i did help helios for a bit and they were not always hacking they did earn some of those hours I think half would be better

Common Sense 12-29-2014 01:49 AM
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Posted by Sardon (Post 530770)
Thats just sad but Im not because my hat was not accepted for the 1k rofl

I think it would be a bit better to give them half their hours because i did help helios for a bit and they were not always hacking they did earn some of those hours I think half would be better
If they earned half of those hours and hacked the other half then they deserve to have all of their hours reset.

Wushen 12-30-2014 06:29 AM
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Posted by NM (Post 530470)
Should have been reset at 999:59:59.
bad.

Distorted 12-30-2014 06:48 AM
If you're banning guilds for using hackers why is SON not banned?

Kendama 12-30-2014 08:36 AM
Quote:
Posted by Thallen (Post 530544)
never 4get Voxel 1k hallway party with hacker strobe lights and VOXEL 1K graphic
Every time i look into the iClassic subform there is always a thread that is hot and you are always in it and it is either

1) You are arguing with someone over something very trivial because you like to feel like your right about everything

or (and more likely)

2) You are making comments about how pro you are or something about your guilds that nobody understands (or see's even slightly relevant)- so nobody replies to you but yet you keep adding comments about it.

Quote:
Posted by RcSusu (Post 530559)
1. Hacking is a serious offence
2. What I believe is everyone in the guild KNEW he hacked, so they should have reported him and not let him be.
3. Refer to 1, should be banned for 2 months.
my guild(s) and I never suffered from any hacking punishments or discipline, but I still believe a compromise should be made. That is unfair to delete a guild so close to their goal. It is disrespectful to everyones times, and especially the leaders. I bet only a trivial amount of tower time was actually effected by this hacker.
Guilds should definitely get warnings for having hackers on tag- and temporary bans should be used, but deleting the actual work a guild put in is really scummy and sad.

Distorted 12-30-2014 09:31 AM
Quote:
Posted by Kendama (Post 531251)
Every time i look into the iClassic subform there is always a thread that is hot and you are always in it and it is either

1) You are arguing with someone over something very trivial because you like to feel like your right about everything

or (and more likely)

2) You are making comments about how pro you are or something about your guilds that nobody understands (or see's even slightly relevant)- so nobody replies to you but yet you keep adding comments about it.



my guild(s) and I never suffered from any hacking punishments or discipline, but I still believe a compromise should be made. That is unfair to delete a guild so close to their goal. It is disrespectful to everyones times, and especially the leaders. I bet only a trivial amount of tower time was actually effected by this hacker.
Guilds should definitely get warnings for having hackers on tag- and temporary bans should be used, but deleting the actual work a guild put in is really scummy and sad.
Agreed 100%, that's a waste of some peoples times.

Then again... It's a ******* hat.

4-Lom 12-30-2014 10:06 AM
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Posted by Distorted (Post 531214)
If you're banning guilds for using hackers why is SON not banned?
Quote:
Posted by Distorted (Post 531258)
Agreed 100%, that's a waste of some peoples times.

Then again... It's a ******* hat.
Rep.

Common Sense 12-30-2014 02:50 PM
Quote:
Posted by Kendama (Post 531251)
Every time i look into the iClassic subform there is always a thread that is hot and you are always in it and it is either

1) You are arguing with someone over something very trivial because you like to feel like your right about everything

or (and more likely)

2) You are making comments about how pro you are or something about your guilds that nobody understands (or see's even slightly relevant)- so nobody replies to you but yet you keep adding comments about it.



my guild(s) and I never suffered from any hacking punishments or discipline, but I still believe a compromise should be made. That is unfair to delete a guild so close to their goal. It is disrespectful to everyones times, and especially the leaders. I bet only a trivial amount of tower time was actually effected by this hacker.
Guilds should definitely get warnings for having hackers on tag- and temporary bans should be used, but deleting the actual work a guild put in is really scummy and sad.
They have been hacking for a while now and the admins never did anything about it, up until now. I do believe that they deserved to be fully reset.

Zetectic 12-30-2014 03:39 PM
Quote:
Posted by Distorted (Post 531214)
If you're banning guilds for using hackers why is SON not banned?
LMAO ikr

Seanster 12-30-2014 05:15 PM
Quote:
Posted by Kendama (Post 531251)
my guild(s) and I never suffered from any hacking punishments or discipline, but I still believe a compromise should be made. That is unfair to delete a guild so close to their goal. It is disrespectful to everyones times, and especially the leaders. I bet only a trivial amount of tower time was actually effected by this hacker.
Guilds should definitely get warnings for having hackers on tag- and temporary bans should be used, but deleting the actual work a guild put in is really scummy and sad.
Using hackers, or even being aware of someone using hacks while towering and not reporting him shouldn't be encouraged in any way. If the guild members would report the hackers, as they were 100% aware of it most of the times, they wouldn't get punished AT ALL. It doesn't matter how many hours the hackers helped gain, and nobody can know that, and doesn't matter how close to their goal they were, their hours should be reset, and it seems the most fair punishment to me.

Kendama 12-30-2014 07:25 PM
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Posted by Distorted (Post 531258)
Agreed 100%, that's a waste of some peoples times.

Then again... It's a ******* hat.
True, but its also a guild-changing milestone.

Quote:
Posted by Seanster (Post 531326)
Using hackers, or even being aware of someone using hacks while towering and not reporting him shouldn't be encouraged in any way. If the guild members would report the hackers, as they were 100% aware of it most of the times, they wouldn't get punished AT ALL. It doesn't matter how many hours the hackers helped gain, and nobody can know that, and doesn't matter how close to their goal they were, their hours should be reset, and it seems the most fair punishment to me.
You act like hacking is committing a class 3 felony. Hacking graal is so ****ing easy and I see hackers whenever I log on. It is sort of hard to avoid them especially at towers. Graal police should be actively patrolling towers and checking for hackers, they would get banned a lot easier that way.

You obviously do not realize how hard it can be to organize and upkeep a guild and its members and keep everyone following the rules.

I didn't say it should be encouraged, I said that the punishment should include warnings and temporary guild shutdowns- not deleting that many hours (spent poorly) of so many people lives.

Seanster 12-30-2014 07:58 PM
Quote:
Posted by Kendama (Post 531349)
True, but its also a guild-changing milestone.



You act like hacking is committing a class 3 felony. Hacking graal is so ****ing easy and I see hackers whenever I log on. It is sort of hard to avoid them especially at towers. Graal police should be actively patrolling towers and checking for hackers, they would get banned a lot easier that way.

You obviously do not realize how hard it can be to organize and upkeep a guild and its members and keep everyone following the rules.

I didn't say it should be encouraged, I said that the punishment should include warnings and temporary guild shutdowns- not deleting that many hours (spent poorly) of so many people lives.
I am not gonna argue with you about the punishment, you have every right to disagree about it, but the fact it's easy, and not a "class 3 felony", doesn't make the fact the guild let the hackers stay on tag, did not report them, possibly used them intentionally to gain hours. I basically have nothing else to say about that, so have a nice day.

Common Sense 12-30-2014 08:48 PM
Quote:
Posted by Kendama (Post 531349)
True, but its also a guild-changing milestone.



You act like hacking is committing a class 3 felony. Hacking graal is so ****ing easy and I see hackers whenever I log on. It is sort of hard to avoid them especially at towers. Graal police should be actively patrolling towers and checking for hackers, they would get banned a lot easier that way.

You obviously do not realize how hard it can be to organize and upkeep a guild and its members and keep everyone following the rules.

I didn't say it should be encouraged, I said that the punishment should include warnings and temporary guild shutdowns- not deleting that many hours (spent poorly) of so many people lives.
They probably were warned because they have been using hackers for a while now.

They may have not have asked people to hack for them, but they definitely knew that members were hacking and they used that to their advantage.

Kendama 12-30-2014 09:32 PM
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Posted by Common Sense (Post 531372)
They probably were warned because they have been using hackers for a while now.

They may have not have asked people to hack for them, but they definitely knew that members were hacking and they used that to their advantage.
obviously- you just dont realize how extreme of a punishment it is to disregard everyones true hard work and time and delete all the guilds progress.

Its like a lawsuit. A company gets a lawsuit for violating something. The whole company doesn't get all their money taken, they just have to pay up the right amount to the violation they committed

Distorted 12-30-2014 09:42 PM
Quote:
Posted by Kendama (Post 531349)
Hacking graal is so ****ing easy
That doesn't mean you should do it...


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