Why is it possible to get banned for "Multiple Bans"?
 

Surely if you're banned you shouldn't just be banned for being banned?... My account was going to be unbanned from a 4000 hour ban in 10 days, next thing I know, I'm IP banned, the reason and time changes from the original reason to Multiple bans and the time changes to 2159 hours...

inb4 thread closed and deleted reason - go to support.toonslab.com

I know, but they probably won't reply why people get banned for "Multiple Bans".

Ban evasion, or someone who is a very repeat offender.

Is using another account while I'm banned on a different account considered evading a ban?

Probably, yes, but I am not a GP.

A ban is punishment meant to keep you out of the game. To use another account to access the game is bypassing the punishment. Sure, you don't have access to all your items but the idea is that you have access to repeat the things that got you banned in the first place--this is what they want to avoid.

So, if admins don't want people to evade bans, shouldn't they always just give out IP bans?

I logged on my surface tablet and loaded up Graal to see if my friend was online so I could chat with her, my main account was banned for a month but the ban literally ended in two days but my tablet was not identified so I could use a noob account.

After logging in I got a 4000 hour IP ban for ban evasion and I kindly send in a ticket describing how my account isn't even banned really (well was but when I sent the ticket it had less than a day) and they still refuse to overturn it.

Why try to prevent someone from evading a ban they don't even have? I can access the account on any other IP but I am not going to do that because they will probably over react about that too and extend a further account ban.

Still over 3000 hours left :(

I think they should at least clarify it with a warning (Do not use new accounts to bypass the ban! -or something like that) many people are clueless about this.

Yup. This happened to me 2 years ago. I was banned for swearing or something, and half way into my ban, it said 'Multiple Bans' and changed to ~4000 hours. There was no way they could have detected that I was ban evading. and really, everyone swears in Graal, and it's such a stupid reason to get banned since there are many admins I know who have swore. Graal is rated for like 8+ year olds or something, yet on PC Graal there is an option to turn off the censoring of certain words. This game and many of its developments don't make sense... :/

Dusty: the term is recidivism.

What's the age range for GPs, and what are the motivations to be in the role of GP? Frankly, you're going to be dealing with teenagers that lack appropriate training and situational awareness. You can extend some of that stupidity into a real world lesson for how some actual law enforcement officers decide to handle themselves.

tl;dr: Graal's not fair. Life's not fair.

Multiple bans means you have been recently ban and don't show much improvement.

Well bro, good luck with that naughty boi

It's such a dumb reason to be banned. Banned for being banned to much? That doesn't even make sense.

Read what I said

To answer its


Gp's can do whatever bs to you they want and xor or toonslab wont give a **** about it.

But they do, they just can't notice everything every admin does...
They do care and notice sometimes - that's why a lot of admins are fired.

Why is it possible to get unbanned?

How does that explain why the title is "multiple bans."?

A GP will review your log record prior to banning you. If within a small time frame you have been warned + banned several times, then the GP has the possibility to increase your ban time by giving the "multiple bans" reason. Think of it as Graal's version of the Three-strikes law. The only difference is that it takes many more minor ban infractions on Graal before receiving the Multiple Bans reason. Anyway, those who receive these bans shouldn't be defended.

thank you.

And if you haven't done anything?

because the player-run staff community of Graal has never made a single mistake LOL
preach on, brother

Ayy lmao

im just saying that toonslab never reads carefully your tickets.I got a head deleted for no reason and toonslab answers Try not uploading things you know will be deleted

How should I know i have had the same head months.

I want a Court lvl in graal in which you can contest your ban in person with a graal police member as judge

No lawyers.

That idea sounds like a joke but I am serious.Sending tickets to toonslab is not satisfying for players.
They preffer chatting with Staff members about it and since they do not want you to chat about it to staff you can chat about it in the graal court room

This will elliminate the large percentage of graalians who quit when banned.

Why can't the person or staff reviewing the ticket provide logs or specific details for your problem and/or question? It's always a broad answer being replied with no evidence to ensure what the player has done wrong or any support to "help".

Appeal. Odds are you just had a linked account with someone who did.

You're right. In the past year, we have seen plenty of staff come and go.
Some were fired for rigging events in favour of their friends, others for idling in the city rather than patrolling the map. I've seen one go after he gave the lengthiest ban time to his main account as his final move to quit this game. Some go after disagreements with other staff members. Quite a few simply resign as they have higher priorities in their lives.

What I haven't seen within those years was someone getting fired for wrongfully banning a player. Hypothetically, I can imagine thousands of possible scenarios where a player-run staff could take advantage of their given powers. That being said, banning innocent players is a not an issue until we have some factual proof to support it.

Summary: Staff power abuse is real. Staff wrongfully banning players could be real. It's a non issue until it actually happens and someone is fired for it.

Staff abusing powers is Not just real But common
My friend was banned for 2 weeks For no reason.

Typicaly power abuse is commited by some gp which are not as popular or well known

High Well known Gp tend not to do that Often.

And yet this is a tale I've heard one time too many.
The speck of evidence we have to sustain this argument is "my friend was banned for no reason"
"Zinnia issued a multiple ban to ... whereas ... never previously received a ban"
"TD gave a third infraction solicitation ban to ... when he was towering"
"Brick was fired for banning ... for hacking when he was offline"

Detailed verifiable examples is all I'm asking for.

inb4 i know an innocent player who was wrongfully banned/my friend didn't do anything and he was banned

EDIT: Ah I was too slow