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Striken 02-04-2015 02:52 AM

Mechanical Keyboards
 
Learning towards buying one but unsure of which, what are the kids nowadays using?

Shmegg 02-04-2015 04:16 AM

I bought a Cherry MX Blue switch mechanical, but I had to return it last week for reasons.
I enjoyed it while I had it. :'(

Talon 02-04-2015 05:54 AM

Depends what you want to use it for? I have a Cherry MX Red, which I absolutely love and feel it's the smoothest transition from the membrane keyboard you're most likely using. Blues are much more resistant but provide more feedback, Reds are linear, light and quick. Haven't heard much about Browns.

Neil 02-05-2015 04:28 PM

I have Cherry MX Green and it's really loud...

Crono 02-06-2015 10:31 AM

I have the browns. They don't click but are still noisy. I think I would get the blues if I was buying another keyboard.

Your best bet would be to walk into a store that has these on display and just try it out. There is a lot of personal preference involved here.

fp4 02-06-2015 09:51 PM

Blues are very noisy when gaming, you get used to it but unless you're a typist get browns instead for general use.

You can buy sampler kits:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKe...mmendedsellers

Crono 02-06-2015 10:52 PM

Yeah but blues got dat click doe.

Talon 02-07-2015 12:14 AM

red master race for osu

Skill 02-07-2015 01:09 AM

What's the hype about mechanical keyboards? All I hear is that they're noisy as hell. Why would I want one when it would just annoy my family members? What are the perks?

All I really need is any new keyboard. ****ing space key is constantly getting stuck, even after I cleaned it out. It's 15+ years old, so I wanna replace it but I'm cheap. Pain in the ass to type, even more frustrating when games use it.

Phantos 02-07-2015 01:49 AM

The switches in mechanical keyboards generally mean you won't ever get that 'stick' issue and, if you do, you can replace it easier than a cheapo keyboard. The difference in color is basically how much pressure you have to use to get a keystroke and how much noise it makes.

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/of...user_heading5b this is the most comprehensive guide to mechanical keyboards you will find anywhere.

http://lifehacker.com/how-to-choose-...-you-511140347 this is a fun and quick (relatively speaking) guide on the basic differences between colors and types.

Skill 02-07-2015 02:58 AM

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Posted by Phantos (Post 539927)
The switches in mechanical keyboards generally mean you won't ever get that 'stick' issue and, if you do, you can replace it easier than a cheapo keyboard. The difference in color is basically how much pressure you have to use to get a keystroke and how much noise it makes.

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/of...user_heading5b this is the most comprehensive guide to mechanical keyboards you will find anywhere.

http://lifehacker.com/how-to-choose-...-you-511140347 this is a fun and quick (relatively speaking) guide on the basic differences between colors and types.

Eh, sticking only occurs because the keyboard is ld and so much **** has been spilled on it over the years. Never had an issue with it with regular keyboards.

Talon 02-07-2015 05:26 PM

They're much more responsive and smoother than membrane keyboards. The keys will literally never get stuck and have a much, much longer lifespan than membrane keyboards. You'll get a lot of feedback when you type, whether it be a loud audible click like Blues or simple resistance response like Browns, which can make a surprising difference in your dexterity when you type. It's like typing on an Surface touch keyboard, which gives you no feedback when you type - feels like absolute **** - versus any other membrane keyboard. Keystrokes have much different actuation points than membrane keyboards, which can feel mushy to type on, whereas with mechanical keyboards, you can /feel/ each individual key you type.

The difference isn't night and day like the Surface vs. other keyboards, but it's definitely noticable enough for me to more than justify the purchase.

Crono 02-07-2015 06:01 PM

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Posted by Skill (Post 539917)
What's the hype about mechanical keyboards? All I hear is that they're noisy as hell. Why would I want one when it would just annoy my family members? What are the perks?

All I really need is any new keyboard. ****ing space key is constantly getting stuck, even after I cleaned it out. It's 15+ years old, so I wanna replace it but I'm cheap. Pain in the ass to type, even more frustrating when games use it.

Because they're still tiers ahead of normal keyboards. Keys become so predictable and responsive. They feel solid and reliable, etc. Like I said, go to any shop that carries them and try it out.

Thallen 02-07-2015 07:09 PM

I live alone and use blues, could honestly give no ****s about how loud they are
I'm also a writer though

Emera 02-07-2015 07:33 PM

Can anybody recommend a good keyboard for somebody who types a **** load? I don't really game too much so I'm not bothered about that. I'm looking for something that feels nice to type with but isn't too expensive.

Talon 02-08-2015 02:20 AM

@Emera If you don't mind the 1980's look, the IBM Model M actually feels incredible to type on FWIR and they go relatively cheap on eBay. I use a Corsair Vengeance K70 with MX Reds, they feel great to type on. The tactile response isn't as prominent as Blues, but they're very linear/smooth and give just enough resistance and click for me. Quick as well, coming from a hardcore osu! player where I need them to be fast as hell. Would run you $110, would recommend though.

Head over to r/MechanicalKeyboards, they know a lot more than I do as for recommendations.

@Skill Just go to Best Buy or a Microsoft Store and see for yourself, they'll usually have some Razer BlackWidows, Corsairs or SteelSeries mechanicals to try for yourself. Can't really understand it until you try.

Emera 02-10-2015 04:34 PM

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Posted by Talon (Post 540127)
@Emera If you don't mind the 1980's look, the IBM Model M actually feels incredible to type on FWIR and they go relatively cheap on eBay. I use a Corsair Vengeance K70 with MX Reds, they feel great to type on. The tactile response isn't as prominent as Blues, but they're very linear/smooth and give just enough resistance and click for me. Quick as well, coming from a hardcore osu! player where I need them to be fast as hell. Would run you $110, would recommend though.

Head over to r/MechanicalKeyboards, they know a lot more than I do as for recommendations.

@Skill Just go to Best Buy or a Microsoft Store and see for yourself, they'll usually have some Razer BlackWidows, Corsairs or SteelSeries mechanicals to try for yourself. Can't really understand it until you try.

Cheers for the advice. +rep when I can :)

Crono 02-10-2015 04:47 PM

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/mechanical_switches.php

Not sure how accurate it is though.

This is a good read:

http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/index...ical-switches/

Aguzo 07-21-2015 07:53 AM

Which type will let me move around easily by not pressing the key down all the way. Like you barely press and it already recieves the input. Not sure if I explained properly, I know zid uses them.

MBK 07-21-2015 08:14 AM

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Posted by Hikaru (Post 594702)
Which type will let me move around easily by not pressing the key down all the way. Like you barely press and it already recieves the input. Not sure if I explained properly, I know zid uses them.

brown or blue.

Blue has that "click" sound that makes you sure that your button press has been registered.

Brown has a little bit more feedback than the other switches,it's mostly used by gamers.

Aguzo 07-21-2015 08:37 AM

Nvm, someone told me it was o-rings to get a faster feedback.

MBK 07-21-2015 08:39 AM

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Posted by Hikaru (Post 594705)
Nvm, someone told me it was o-rings to get a faster feedback.

dampners...i heard they arn't that good(i never used them).Get a mechanical keyboard just in case.

Crono 07-21-2015 11:26 AM

try blue hikaru, i have browns but you miss out on the cute clicks

MementoJoker 07-21-2015 12:00 PM

Mechanical keyboards are a marketing meme

Crono 07-21-2015 01:35 PM

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Posted by MementoJoker (Post 594730)
Mechanical keyboards are a marketing meme

What a dumb comment.

Cubical 07-21-2015 03:43 PM

I think it was the best comment

Winter 07-21-2015 04:14 PM

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Posted by Hikaru (Post 594705)
Nvm, someone told me it was o-rings to get a faster feedback.

Not necessarily a faster feedback, but they reduce the distance your key travels when you press it down fully. It still registers the key press at the same distance, but if you always seem to bottom-out, it will be a bit easier to move from one key to the next. If I had to describe the comparison to stock keys, the o-ring mod makes it feel more fluid IMO.

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Posted by MBK (Post 594706)
dampners...i heard they arn't that good(i never used them).Get a mechanical keyboard just in case.

O-rings are placed around the switches on a mechanical keyboard. Using them is a personal preference, so they may be terrible for someone but great for someone else. I very much like how they feel.

MBK 07-21-2015 04:43 PM

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Posted by Winter (Post 594768)
O-rings are placed around the switches on a mechanical keyboard. Using them is a personal preference, so they may be terrible for someone but great for someone else. I very much like how they feel.

I asked some friends that use the rings and they said that it wasn't worth buying.

Crono 07-21-2015 05:53 PM

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Posted by Cubical (Post 594760)
I think it was the best comment

Hello.

MementoJoker 07-21-2015 05:54 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 594739)
What a dumb comment.

I think for what they offer they aren't worth the price.
Another thing I don't like is that they are marketed as being essential for that comfortable quick response and whatnot but I've tried membrane and mechanical and I think that it's not worth the extra 60-100$ for what they offer. I don't see how it is dumb to consider it to be overpriced or overrated.
Out of experience they are a bit of a gimmick for me.
If I offended you or something I'm sorry because you seem to like them quite a lot :)

Winter 07-21-2015 05:58 PM

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Posted by MBK (Post 594774)
I asked some friends that use the rings and they said that it wasn't worth buying.

I think its worth buying. :) You can always borrow some of theirs to try them yourself, they come in packs of hundreds.

MBK 07-21-2015 06:51 PM

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Posted by Winter (Post 594804)
I think its worth buying. :) You can always borrow some of theirs to try them yourself, they come in packs of hundreds.

So if i put those rings in my brown...will it enhance it's performance even further or will it remain the same(meaning it doesn't fit in mechanical keyboards.)?

Winter 07-21-2015 07:03 PM

It fits all Cherry MX mechanical keyboards and does not enhance performance at all. It only makes it feel nicer and dampen the loud "cracking" sound of plastic slamming against plastic. Discomfort affects gaming so if you end up liking them, the rings can help you perform better. If you don't like how it feels you can easily remove them the same way they went on.

MBK 07-21-2015 07:30 PM

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Posted by Winter (Post 594831)
It fits all Cherry MX mechanical keyboards and does not enhance performance at all. It only makes it feel nicer and dampen the loud "cracking" sound of plastic slamming against plastic. Discomfort affects gaming so if you end up liking them, the rings can help you perform better. If you don't like how it feels you can easily remove them the same way they went on.

I think i hear the sounds of WORK&EFFORT...lol
i'll ask one of my friend if he could lend me 10 or so....i'll try them out and leave a little review here.

Winter 07-21-2015 07:44 PM

Yeah, try some out if you're interested. Arrow keys or something like that. Putting the rings on took me about 15 minutes for the whole keyboard, little effort required on each one. Just be careful on the keys with stabilizer bars.

eko 07-21-2015 07:48 PM

I've got a Ducky Shine 4 with Cherry MX Reds. Perfect for games like CSGO, but the keys can be very sensitive. When I first got a keyboard with red switches I'd rest my hand on the keys, then when I looked back at the screen it was as if i was holding down the key, but you get used to that pretty quick

MBK 07-21-2015 07:51 PM

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Posted by Winter (Post 594839)
Yeah, try some out if you're interested. Arrow keys or something like that. Putting the rings on took me about 15 minutes for the whole keyboard, little effort required on each one. Just be careful on the keys with stabilizer bars.

Stablizer bars?... please explain,i NEVER opened a keyboard in my life.

Winter 07-21-2015 08:43 PM

Longer keys like the space bar, right shift, numpad enter, etc. have little metal bars so if you press down on one end of the key, the whole key is pressed down. I'm mobile now, so I can't link a video on it (should watch one when you do it), but you pretty much just slip it out of a little plastic hook instead of pulling it straight off.

Talon 07-22-2015 04:25 AM

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Posted by eko (Post 594841)
I've got a Ducky Shine 4 with Cherry MX Reds. Perfect for games like CSGO, but the keys can be very sensitive. When I first got a keyboard with red switches I'd rest my hand on the keys, then when I looked back at the screen it was as if i was holding down the key, but you get used to that pretty quick

Yup, MX Reds are by far my favorite switch for gaming. Can't imagine playing osu on any other keyboard now, but to be fair I'd also much rather play it on membrane keyboards than other mechanical switches

Blues feel great for low-APM games like MOBAs tho

Crono 07-22-2015 11:15 AM

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Posted by Talon (Post 595065)
Yup, MX Reds are by far my favorite switch for gaming. Can't imagine playing osu on any other keyboard now, but to be fair I'd also much rather play it on membrane keyboards than other mechanical switches

Blues feel great for low-APM games like MOBAs tho

Dota is not low APM.

Imprint 07-22-2015 02:35 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 595146)
Dota is not low APM.

He plays league corno, go easy on him.

Talon 07-22-2015 03:20 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 595146)
Dota is not low APM.

If you can play Dota on Brown switches without your speed being limited by the tactile feedback then it's low enough APM for me to consider low APM. May not be a low APM game in the grand scheme but I'm using a relative scale here.

Any mechanical switches other than reds severely handicap you when playing games like osu, which is what I'm using as a reference point. I can't imagine a dota player being handicapped by using blue switches as opposed to reds.

Crono 07-22-2015 10:39 PM

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Posted by Talon (Post 595179)
If you can play Dota on Brown switches without your speed being limited by the tactile feedback then it's low enough APM for me to consider low APM. May not be a low APM game in the grand scheme but I'm using a relative scale here.

Any mechanical switches other than reds severely handicap you when playing games like osu, which is what I'm using as a reference point. I can't imagine a dota player being handicapped by using blue switches as opposed to reds.

My friend was a master tier SC2 player and prefers blues...so...I dunno. I know reds are supposed to be the ultimate for gamers and all.

Striken 07-22-2015 11:02 PM

mfw a moba is low apm


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