Gang Points have been released!
 

Howdy!

Basing on Ol'West, since release, never had any type of reward. Players have been complaining, saying basing is too boring, etc.

Now, exclusively on Ol'West, you can receive special points called Gang Points. Gang Points are rewarded to any player that is on-tag and inside of a base that the gang their in has ownership of. Every 60 seconds (1 minute) that the gang holds the base and there's a player inside, the player (or players) will receive a point. This makes it so only active players get rewards, and not the slackers.

Here's an example of how it works if you don't understand it already. I have a gang named 'Arnix'. I'm on-tag and I took over the base. My friend is outside cutting trees, but is also on-tag for my gang. I will receive a point every minute because I'm inside helping hold the base, but my friend won't because he's outside.

You must be thinking, well what do we do with the points? Well, I have the answer for you! We will be releasing a special GP (Gang Point) Shop where you can spend your points on special items such as: Another member slot so you can fit more members into your gang (above 25), items to heal your friends, etc.

If you have an idea on what items should be for sale, or an idea for Gang Points in general or how they should be obtained, reply to this thread and explain!

You can say showgp in-game to see how many Gang Points you have.

I plan on also releasing a gang spar where the winning participants from each match get a point or so.

Hopefully you all enjoy this!

Items that could be in the shop can be things that will benefit your gang when basing (traps, healing, weapons, etc.)

Some traps are already made such as poison trap, sticky trap, and a cute little mouse trap.

Basically the first two traps are liquids and can last a certain amount of time before wearing off on the player. Ex.) If the player were to walk over one of these two liquids, then it would effect them for lets say.. 10 seconds before going away.

The mouse trap is something related to Era's bear trap. When stepped on you will be held still for a couple seconds before moving again.

We need more ideas!

So will the leader of the gang only be able to buy extra slots, what I mean is can you transfer the points you get from one gang to a different gang?

And will there be weapons to heal, or just little one time heal things?

Edit: Make a healing staff for like 10k points. (Heals you and others around, teammates obviously)

I'm thinking we should make a Gang Bank where members of the gang can donate points to it. The leader of the gang can then choose to buy upgrades that benefit the gang, and not the leader, so that there's no scamming or any problems.

The trap ideas are awesome, totally forgot that you sent me the images for it haha.

Healing items are great. I think as a weapon, like the heart staff thing from era.


Edit: Make sure you tell your friends on other servers about the basing rewards. I know a lot of you from other servers have been looking for rewards like this for a while.

Also, I was wondering.

Let's say if I were in Gang A and earned 10 gang points in it. If I were to move to Gang B, could my points be used in Gang B? Or would they only be in Gang A?

I think you should sell exclusive hats for 2k gp

Also make a leaderboard or something idk
:)

I agree With the idea to have a gp bank for each gang. That the leader accesses and members request to spend points and if they are trusted or granted permission they can buy stuff. Also gangs Should earn points every week for holding spots on skill leaderboards.

Things that should be in shop would be a 4 person gang wagon. Healing weapons. A CANNON that takes 2 members to use in a base or anywhere. Sell boost like move faster for x amount of hours or more exp.

P.s. did this on my phone dont be hating on autocorrect@Alpho

i havent really started playing because i donthave the time atm but I like the fresh ideas that are going into this server.
Im guessing unixmad would be in charge of this but can they make ol west+free for a week or something like they did with iclassic and zone and era
or just make it stay free like every other graal game because if some person never played graal but looks it up and is on the app store looking at the different mobile graal games the person will most likely not get ol west first because it costs money for the + version

The idea sounds nice but there are cons in it..
i.e. just repetitively joining big squads that hold bases and chilling in base(not doing much/afk) and earn points..

Also what about these little gangs (few members) how are these rewarded maybe the less players you have online in guild while holding a base then you earn slightly more points
[1-5players on 3every minute]
[6-10 on 2every minute]
[10+ =1point each min base held]
(THIS IDEA would encourages lots more to base/pk and makes the bigger squads think about noob-recruiting cycle)

It's entirely up to the player, it's not dependent on the gang at all. The rewards that the player receives are theirs and they choose what to do with them. They can put them towards another gang, donate them and give back to the gang they got them from, or use them for personal items.

Special flashy and attractive hats for sale would be nice :)
Yes! A leaderboard for the most points would be fantastic. Top 25?

I like the idea of a mount / wagon that carries more than one person. Perhaps we can take that idea even further and make upgradable wagons and such?! Someone please reply to this idea, I feel like it can get really great! A cannon would probably be really OP? Would one person control the rotation and one person control when it shoots? haha! I like the boost idea, though it would have to be very limited.

I like, agree, and support this idea! I'll bring it up to Unixmad :)

It's entirely up to the player, it's not dependent on the gang at all. The rewards that the player receives are theirs and they choose what to do with them. They can put them towards another gang, donate them and give back to the gang they got them from, or use them for personal items.

Special flashy and attractive hats for sale would be nice :)
Yes! A leaderboard for the most points would be fantastic. Top 25?

I like the idea of a mount / wagon that carries more than one person. Perhaps we can take that idea even further and make upgradable wagons and such?! Someone please reply to this idea, I feel like it can get really great! A cannon would probably be really OP? Would one person control the rotation and one person control when it shoots? haha! I like the boost idea, though it would have to be very limited.

I like, agree, and support this idea! I'll bring it up to Unixmad :)

Well, it's up to the leader to kick the slackers or whatever. I really don't think they'll get far from slacking or being afk, since you can't really trade points or anything to other members.

I don't know about the different amount thing. I think it's fair either way. Unless you all think otherwise?

Also, thanks for the rep:) got my 2nd bar finally!

Do you have an estimate on how things are going to cost? Like the difference between things like 1 time use, traps for example, and let's say a weapon?

Saying "showgp" in-game will bring up your total gang points.

Make sure the weapons, traps, etc aren't trade-able. I also advise you not to make a gang bank, because the leader can have let's say 3 extra player accounts along with their real one on at the same time. The leader basically gets an advantage by having 4x the amount of gp for very few effort. Also, leaders could charge their members 25% of their Gang points to stay in the guild or rank up faster. Unless you wouldn't mind these things, then you shouldn't add a gang bank.

Oooh sounds good. When will the shop open and when will the leader board come up?

There's still some flaws on this though, the leader won't be able to scam gang points for themselves and buy their personal GP items but they can still scam members for gang upgrades by promising to give something to a member if he/she donates points to the gang bank. After that, the leader can buy the upgrades for their gang then kick the member who donated.

Well that's fully on the leader if he wants to be stubborn. If the player gets kicked then he could find another gang in my opinion. All-in-all it would give the leader bad reputation and players would avoid joining that gang.

THIS SOUNDS ****ING AWESOME

I've been telling classic to do this for years.

Alpho gets stuff done man. :) He's a huge help to the server.

I like these :) Massive help, not huge ;)

So I just had an idea relating to Gang Wars:

When a gang decides to declare war on another gang then it would show up on a new leaderboard tab listed as "Wars."

In this tab it can be a list of gangs in war with each other along with the time they have during that week. In order for a gang to win a war against each other then they need more hours in that week than the other gang.

For example the tab could look like this:


There doesn't need to be a reward for the winner but it could go to a new thing on Gang Menus such as "Total Wars Won: 2" or something.

They can win some of the there gangs points if they win the war O.o

Nope. It can easily be abused by making a fake gang and winning on the other tag. That's why I said no rewards. Not everything needs a reward.

Well wouldn't the same thing apply to Gang Spar if we have the winner a few points?

The way I was thinking we could fix this, for any activity, is to require a certain amount of players to be in the match for it to be initiated. On top of that, the points that would be given would be from the other Gang. Each gang member that participates would bet a certain amount of points. Those points would then be distributed to the winner, or something. Perhaps you guys could add onto this idea?

That would take care of the problem I had in mind! I like. :)

I've added streaking back in bases. Kill someone and your kill streak will increase. Die and your kill streak is then reset.

Cool idea, reduces the scenarios in which active members get screwed for their rewards. I know this is meant to promote basing, but like john and fatal stated, there are cons/flaws. It would be wise to monitor how players are using the system in order to prevent lamers from killing the point system.


1. like fatal mentioned, players can use multiple accounts to get easy points from the main basing guilds. I could be on 4 at a time.

2. Any leader of a current basing guild could easily exploit the bank this way.

Ok, so if we don't introduce a gang bank, and points aren't transferrable, then what problems are there with the current system?

If we still want there to be Gang Upgrades, how would that work? Would any player be able to buy upgrades for them?

Maybe there could be a right for the leader to set to certain players to 'buy upgrades' or whatever, but these upgrades are only active when the player is in the Gang, if they are kicked or leave then this upgrade (say an extra slot) is then revoked and that player gets their Gang points back?

I'm not saying there's something wrong atm. Since this is a news/suggestion thread I was just putting my input in regards to what john and fatal said. But, if there's a way to exploit it someone will find it. They always do.

My post can be misleading since it sounds as I was talking like those things were already in place.


As for Gang upgrades, maybe you can setup a different point system that would go directly to the gang itself. I don't think it's fair for a player to scam points off towering guilds and using them to upgrade their own guild. That would give no incentive to create basing competition.

The main way to exploit the system is with multiple accounts, so monitoring the number of players coming from the same location could be one way to dealing with the problem. Delteria says they monitor for multiple accounts during holiday dungeons to prevent players from getting multiple chests.

Needing to be identified to earn points can also help.

Gotcha! :)

I like the idea of having to be identified to earn points, that would fix a lot of it. Don't you think? It takes a long time to make an email, unidentify from your old account, login with your new email, accept the login email, login, skip the tutorial, get to the base, join the gang.

It's a little late to make points gang-specific.

I don't think they should ever get their points back, but I like the idea of giving rights for permission to buy upgrades

It takes a long time to make

• an emai(0s)
• unidentify from your old account(5sec)
• login with your new email(15sec of typing)
• accept the login email(5sec)
• login(5sec)
• skip the tutorial(1min)
• get to the base(1min)
• join the gang.(15sec)

2min40sec :)

About the upgrades, I dont know what is there to upgrade but activing the upgrades(if it is speed or something like that) as class is one of my suggestion :)

Perhaps we can gain a bonus of how many gang points we get per kill that we get in the tower?

Also, Gang Houses should be bought with GP (Gang Point) right? I think it'd be a nice thing to spend some GP on. We should have a Gang Flag Furniture item for the gang shop. Once put in your house and grabbed itll put your gang logo on the flag! (I'll put this in the Gang Points thread as well.)

Disagree I get this thread is to make players want to base but like my last post said they'd all just go to the big guilds (that will have fun with the noob-recruiting cycle) that leaves a few guilds miles ahead while all the smaller groups/guilds are left behind, if you really want everyone to base more the amount of points should rely on whos in base..

I mean it takes lessless effort to defend a base with 10people in than it does with 2in.. so why should the 2be rewarded the same? hence why all small guilds would die.

P.s. Gang/Guild houses shouldnt be bought by points as not everyone bases, Graal in general is a roleplay game.

:DGoodJob! aha I'm still wondering if mine will ever come aha

Not to derail this thread, but how many reps does it take to get another bar? Just curious.

nobody wants to rep you.

DERAILED

So are gang emblems coming next?

Edit- sorry, meant symbols

get out of here, everybody already knows you are a ****poster.

Or players could choose to invest "X amount of point" into the guild at any point, like stocks. They can revoke points at any time, but as long as point are invested the leader can use them to purchase upgrades.

Ermmmm, I was asking a simple question because I am fairly new to this forum, it is quite the refreshing experience to see the warmth of the community. Not gonna lie, this only reasserts my opinion on the Classic fanbase.

I have played all servers. You cannot hide your true self behind a post of seemingly mature words.

Why would that even matter, just because you have played all the servers does not mean you know the slightest thing about me.

I know you are the most ignorant poster at the moment, always coming back with argumentative replies and you never seem to actually read what the other person is saying and why, a good example is literally you saying "why would that even matter" xD. Stop derailing my **** btw. just go away.

I read what you said, and it did not make sense. You say I am some "Ignorant Poster" while all I have done is partake in the average life of a Graalian. I do not see you yelling at GOAT for harassing other members of the forum. I do not see you yelling at Distorted for using crude offensive slurs. So why me, the user who just asked a simple question? I never did anything to you, but you act as if I killed your puppy.

I will not simply "go away", you cannot simply publicly insult someone while barring them from defending themselves.

When it comes to "why would that even matter" big whoop, you play all the Graal servers, that does not mean you know me or who I am at all.

Ok back on topic please.

What kind of items do you think we should add in the Gang Shop? (Traps for example.)

Well, if an engineering skill was added, you could have a recipe to mount a Gatling Gun in select areas around bases. This would help establish crafting, as well as make raiding more difficult.

The same thing could be done with Cannons and maybe catapults? Not sure if that is too far away from the theme, just throwing out ideas.

Would be neat if you could buy skilling items like a guild pickaxe that gave you extra XP if you used it while being on the guild tag you were on when you bought it.

Buying tools for your gang sounds like a great idea.
Also alpho said to expand on my gang wagon and since no did i will.
The leader of a gang should be able ot buy a wagon that holds 4 people in it and it has hp(health points). One person drives while the other 3 people can shoot or drop dynamite :) . You can upgrade your wagon to have more hp and go faster. But instead of using gang points to upgrade you use logs and minerals so the whole gang can contribuate. Once the wagon loses all its hp it breaks down and everyone is sent out and you have to wait a certain amount of time to use it again. Also any members can use the wagon if they are given permission by the leader.

@ the fake lynx

By the way, you guys are being really complicated. Alpho may be a developer sent from heaven, but you should simplify things.

Before you continue to RUIN yet another thread, here you go.

V---answer
http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...3&postcount=20

Now pls shut up and let this thread continue. Yes, I know I'm derailing it too, but only because I know you won't stfu even when you know you're wrong.

Why does ol west have gangs and not tribes? Tribes makes more sense to me, esp since gangs is already used on another server. js