Graal Market
 

I saw this on FB just now. I think it's damn interesting lol. I wonder how its gonna turn out to be.
https://graalmarket.com/
people can buy or sell their personal graphics on it.
the website is like a middleman process.

For real money or....?

It's tied into Graal Depot. Not reliable lol.

idk lmao.

what is reliable then? i dont see any legit gfx website.

Deviantart has legit stuff.

lmao that aint graal related website.

The website looks nice and runs smoothly.
All the proof I need for reliability.

This...

I've heard nothing but bad things about Graal Depot so...

Graal Depot is a website that takes art from the Graal Servers' files and uploads them for others to use. It may not be the "nicest" business but it works and is a great idea. This is also a great idea. Trust them or not, either way it's risky making art for someone. Through a site or yourself.

On a side note, I remember my BaKon customs were once uploaded onto Graal Depot. As surprised as I was, I just emailed them and they removed it immediately. No big deal.

The only legal transaction that could happen on something like that is the actual creator selling it to somebody and only if the creator didn't upload it to a server already. So pretty much commissions for a "custom" head. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of questionable transactions if this ever comes to fruition. Scumbags eager to take a page from the bread man and sucker these kids for their lunch money.



Maybe graal should do a taylorrichards version of custom uploads. A place where players can find heads and bodies so they can upload them.

There's some artists that posts Graal related artwork on it.

Don't give graaldepot credit for their website idea

taylorrichards just gotta have list of public heads/body and we can wear them by typing the code. Or we can buy the public head or small price to use it

Good, so now we can keep an eye on them with their new website

so is this run by depot...if so how will this turn out, opinions pls

(got my red demon head which I loved stolen by depot once never gotten over it :()

why make a website to "buy and sell" customs, when people have been stealing from graaldepot for ages?

if you look closely the top at icon tab (only google chrome I think) you can see a tiny Illuminati >.>

I don't see them doing a sethead system, which would be cool.

I was referring to them making heads/bodies accessible to the players, so they could get them from the right place instead of some douche that's trying to get click revenue from other people's work.

They want part of the bread, so instead of giving them out for free they will try to make a profit from it.

Hey guys! Im the owner of graalmarket.com. I will be here to answer any of your questions. But first take a look at our pitch/promo of the graal market. You will get a better idea of how the website works. Click the link below

https://graalmarket.com/GraalMarketpromo.pdf

yes, PayPal will handle the payments for now.

Artists that wants to sell their creations on the graal market will have to apply manually and be interviewed by us. This will make sure they are true artists wanting to sell their own creations.

Along with selling heads, bodies, shields and swords, artists can also offer graphic services on the graal market. Services such as 1k guild hat creation, personalised customs requests and more. Players that wants a personalised custom made can now easily find and hire highly qualified graphics artists to have it done for them.

Is this even allowed? Is there not some sort of copyright breach involved with the fact you're trying to make a profit off of something with 'Graal' involved?

I edit the sort of heads shown in my signature, would I be able to sell my graphics to people for like $2.50 a head for example? what would be the limit on price, I believe it should only be from $1 shield/sword and $2.50 for bodies/heads

This is a grey area. But take a look at graaldepot for example. The owners at Graalonline don't mind because it generates more revenue for them ;) . IT allows players easy access to customs and therefore more uploads. If its something that actually endangers their revenue stream, then it might be something they will be noticing.

You will be able to set any price you want. The minimum price is $1 USD.

So they can take someone elses head they worked hard on(for free), change the hair color and sell it? Rofl...

Graal doesn't own any copyrights of the graphics uploaded on their servers unless those graphics were purchased as far as I know.

On a sidenotes, that business model of yours sucks. Would be safer to just have people purchase a subscription so they can shuffle through your files, systems or whatever. But, it's your risk at all.

That will not be tolerated. We will try our best to verify each vendor as much as we can. If it turns out that they violate these rules(owner reports to us), they will be banned from the site.

The vendor application process will be stringent. All vendors will have to go though a "test" to see if they are an actual "qualified" artist or not.

What risks are you taking about? Can you please explain why our current model sucks? I think a subscription model would not fit a marketplace very well. There are complex issues such as how much do I pay each seller?

plus, many buyers may only want to buy 1 or 2 items. Its not economical for them to pay a high price subscription for them.

No kid on this game who is looking for random uploads will even know what paypal is, thisis the worst idea ever

I would not take my chances in buying customs when theres 56 pages of free heads in iClassic. I don't see how making a website to buy/sell is ideal when "GraalDepot" has heads and you can upload your customs as well for free. I have no trust in this eBay wanna-be business you call a GraalMarket.

i dont really like the idea too much.. idk. I dont wanna overreact over lame graal pixelart stuff but they could technically just take the file and sell it for actual money so.
Its a nice idea but the stealing part is meh.
I mean even if the person is a good artist and they get accepted they could still sell someone elses gfx

Yes, there is 56 pages of free head, but players want more. Why is custom uploads so popular after all? Notice how new head and bodies get rarely released in-game now.

Yes you can upload "free" if you can make your own customs. But in reality not many players have the skill or time to make one. This is where the graal market comes in. In addition to premade customs, artists can also offer custom services. I know 1k guilds are all the rage right now. Artist can now offer services to create custom 1k guid hats.

There will be NO customs from graaldepot coming to the graalmarket.

Yeah wasn't referring to the graphics, was talking about the name 'Graal Market' because surely making a profit off of that is some form of copyright breach. I only wonder though because on Fysez' Graal3D thread it was brought up she may have to change the name because 'Graal' was included.

I prefer looking for Pixel Artists in Deviantart, PixelJoint, Polycount, and Some reddit users, and pabtforum, and etc.

Some of them may do it for free if your lucky enough, some of them mostly ask for payment. I don't know, but I follow my guts on making my own, cause i feel its my special head <3.

Again, stealing is not tolerated. They will be banned before they can receive any money. There will be many steps before we hand out payments. ( there will be a minimum threshold that the vendor has to reach before they can cash out and there will be timed payment cycles)

Or don't do this, find pixel artists like Shadowfox or me, to make you a head. I do heads for free cause I love people seeing them using my art.
And I'm too lazy to do it... but hey, I'm working on a book too ;-;

I dont want you to make me a head... its for the community...IF you want to do it for free, sure. You can offer services for free. All we are trying to do is create a robust platform for which players and artist can find each other.

I mean't to say Don't use Graal Market.

I personally think this is a really good idea.
Just make sure the testing system is good with little flaws, and this website could be a gem.
Don't start spamming me with posts about how it will be terrible, this is my opinion and I'm sure others share it too :)

let me put a example of what im trying to say:
I make a head
upload it
someone else ifiles it
lets say i never heard of that site ure workin on rn
the person who ifiled it is actually just a lazy talented gfx artist who got trough your interview
the person submits the head on your site or something and gets paid for it idk.
and i never heard about that person nor the site and see people running trough the streets of graal with my art on them
i will probably assume that they ifiled it or someone posted it on a website even tho its just some guy who gets paid for my artwork

This is what I was thinking off! It's better getting a Pixel Artist outside the Graal Community to do this, Or some well known Pixel artist who does it by scratch; Shadowfox, Latte, or someone.

I don't do requests for free unless it's a really close friend. And even if I'm offered money. I won't necessarily accept the job if I don't want to do it

Everybody got skills in gfx, they simply aren't doing it right.
If you're too lazy to even try to get better in gfx, you shouldn't deserve to wear good gfx, just wear the scrappy stuff you'll make that could have been better if you tried to. Plus, anybody could simply be good at gfx and pass your interview and sell stolen customs. If you don't have time to make a head, but you got time to farm until 20k, I'd tell you to get a new brain.

lol why make your own graphics when you can just steal lol
jk

A question. Is this legal in terms of service? Can you do a business with using Graal stuff?
I just feel like Graal and money doesn't go together.

Yes, it is just pixel art until it is implemented into the game. As long as the head is made from scratch (which It will be because only approved artists will be able to sell from what I hear) since you are legally able to purchase art it breaks no rules. In the long run it is good for Graal as it creates more business for graal by uploads.

As an artist and a player I think this is a great idea, as it will provide original content and a way for players to safety aquire it. The idea is already in practice with artist providing work for players but this garuntees players will receive their content.

Graal is in the domain name though.

I think the idea of incoporating real money into this is very risky. Even if you do have several steps for a custom to be approved, there will always be ways around it. (I can't really think of any rn, but just keep in mind that almost every idea has its negatives.) Plus, think about the bugs. What if, perhaps, you purchase a custom but you never get it? It's best to stay traditional and go on other GFX websites or ask artists to make customs for you.

The "idea" might be good, but the way it's presented is not. Artist charging commission for their work is nothing new. I see nothing wrong with artists selling their original work.

My problem with this "great idea" is:
1. The market will keep 40% and 25% of the selling price

2. Buyers will pay the market and the market will pay the artist when and how they want(if they don't accuse the artist of producing edited/stolen graphics)

3. If a head is paid for and it's declined on the server will the buyer get his money back( the market can say yes it will, but the market ain't going to refund the buyer because there's no way for them to verify that the head was declined/removed after it was uploaded)

4. There might be a lot of these little ******s that pay X amount of dollars to pay for their "custom" head only to see other players wearing them within a day.




It's not hard for graphic artists to be known around the community(especially if they do good work), so if they really want to sell their art they can do it on their own without contributing to some douchebags money scheme. People are free to do whatever they want I'm just stating my views, so artists/buyers that read this can make a more educated decision when the time comes.






This is what I feel about it at the moment. I will see how they work once they release it and curious to see if they add a "terms of agreement" that removes all liabilities from the market (I'm curious because we all know 12 year olds read those).

Yes, there will be always someone that wants to exploit systems for a quick buck. But we will try to deter these people as much as possible with multiple measures. These include but not limited to:

• stringent approval process
• minimum payment threshold ($10?) to be met before any payments. This makes sure they are more serious in business.
• 14 day clearing period
• and more ongoing auditing before any payments are send out.

The site will be built behind a robust framework that is already proven to be a solid digital marketplace.

At the moment I think players have a hard time finding these GFX website and to find available artists. What we are trying to do is create a robust platform for which players and artist can easily find each other.



All of the issues you have mentioned, we are open for suggestions and improvements.

We understand that the majority of players are under the age of 18 years. This mean they cannot accept any TOS and be held liable for their actions . For this reason we ask all payers that are under 18 to have parental/guardian permission and have them understand what they are doing.

Is this limited to just heads/bodies/hats, or for other things like tilesets, furniture, etc for servers?

At launch it will be limited to only player customisable items. But later on we may expand to allow licencing of server assets.

I think it'd be cool to have profiles of known artists in the community who can sign up for for people to view their page. On their page they can post files in which they are selling. People then can decide they want one then go through the process of getting it.

Example:
I go on GraalMarket.com
I want a head! So I go to a tab that lists the site's trusted artists'.
I then select an artist who's work I've seen and enjoyed.
Oh looky here! They're selling a head I like, I need this! Or Darn it they don't have a head I like, but I love their work, let me fill out a request form!
I then either go through the payment information or wait for the artist to view my request form and see if they accept it.

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Honestly I love this idea, it sounds like a great opportunity for Artists to get their art out there and for some cash! Somewhat of a central hub or go to destination when in the search of Graal Related Artwork (maybe even character drawings and portraits too -drawn-)