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Has anybody played graal since 1998 know anyone who has

ya, Clops, probably Antago, maybe Contego

Darlene159

idk

I first played graal in 1998, but was to nooby for me, so I quit. Didn't come back until 2010 when it was super God mode pro.

2001-2002

1995-1997

I helped Stefan with the development of Zelda online.

If u didn't start in 1998 ur a newbie and will never be a "legend" so shut up u noobs #iamlegednadary

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Did graal from 1999-2000 have more content than iclassic does right now?

Father (Wise) started Graal in 1998 B.C. (Before Classic)

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Damn

To be fair, Zelda Online is NOT Graal; the original server was a compete knock off of Zelda: ALTTP. All this "Graal used to be ZO" is hogwash. Just because the coder made a game before Graal does not make it the same thing; Zelda Online was discontinued because of copyright reasons and the code, graphics, and levels were recycled to make a new game. I consider it more than a little ridiculous to consider Zelda Online a version of Graal; it was a complete ripoff. Even the original Graal Classic contained remnants of the Zelda map from SNES. They are not the same game; one was an illegal attempt at practicing code and profiting off an incredibly filthy rich empire, the other an actual game of its own.

Yo to be fair, GOAT helped makes this game an he's here with us in this thread. So to be fair just pay homage okay.

1) I don't know GOAT; I've never heard of him.
2) What does my tidbit have anything to do with his post?
3) If he did help, kudos to him.
4) Are you a coder? Do you belong to the coder's union? Who are you to tell me what I need to be doing?
5) If you love him so much, then start a rally.

1. Maybe I don't either
2. What is life?
3. We all helped
4.I'm part Onion. Gets me teary though.
5. No

1. You believe everything you read?
2. Elongated choruses of preservation & gravity.
3. Did we?
4. I don't believe it.
5. It could be fun.

The original Antago is on here? That'd be weird.

Is Graal really a different game than Zelda Online?
It sure seems like the same game with an altered tileset.

I was just kiddin with u lol. I really am a Onion, I make them noobies teary when they see me. And you were right it was a xheap when to make a buck off a big name

2000 4 lyfe stoopid 90s oldmen

holey chit!!

The original Clops? *hugs*

Look, here's the issue I have with this whole "Graal USED to be ZELDA ONLINE! The pre, pre-pre version."

Cyberjouer produces games; Zelda Online was a rip-off made by a programmer who wanted to turn Zelda into an online game. Zelda belongs to Nintendo. A community of Zelda fans joined in. The game was discontinued and the code, the graphics, some levels were all reused but modified heavily (as most game & online developers reuse their code & resources) in developing a title called "Graal Online". Many of the friends of Stefan and former players of Zelda Online were attracted to Graal, and chose to play.

From a marketing perspective, Stefan & Unixmad have the rights to say "Graal & Zelda Online were Cyberjoueur projects".

If I make Sonic Online, but then change the characters, change the levels (and keep a few but modify them), alter the graphics, change the storyline, change the title, modify the code, and remarket the game under an entirely different title, premise & spirit—regardless if I am producing this new title from the same company & a lot of members of the other community are interested—the new title is new inspiration & a new spirit.

I think there is some confusion among people who used to play Zelda Online; there is a feeble attempt at prolonging one's place in some sort of ethereal netherworld community. "I WAS WITH GRAAL BEFORE IT WAS GRAAL!" That isn't the way reality works. You may have been a fan of Cyberjouer, Stefan, and some people who play Graal, but it is not the same game.

There is a difference between recontinuing a PRODUCTION COMPANY with a different title, and attempting to recontinue an entirely different story (GAME TITLE) with an entirely different title, set of characters, and premise and pretending the former title is some sort of prequel (especially if this supposed prequel is a copyright infringement/replica of someone else's story). In fact, I imagine there are legal issues in attempting to market Graal as a sequel to Zelda.

They are two entirely different titles developed by the same developers: Cyberjoueur.

At the time, Cyberjoueur (who had the balls to ripoff Nintendo in the first place) marketed Graal as the "new version of Zelda Online" merely to attract the same player base instead of starting anew (a lot of advertising is false advertising). It was false marketing, and just as faux as trying to sell a Zelda knock-off as being developed by Nintendo. Face it; Zelda Online is dead, and it is not a prequel to Graal.

… Also, in my conversations with Stefan, he himself has always been explicitly clear with me that Zelda Online is not nor was it ever a version of Graal history. This notion was perpetuated by some of the egotistical staff such as PACHUKA who were obsessed with gaming cults. PACHUKA and some other players repeatedly referred to Zelda Online as a version of Graal, even in their news posts; yet, PACHUKA did not stick around long, had issues with the whole "Graal" & staffing concept, his own ego, and even his own copyright infringement—as well as reverse threatening to sue for his own content—and he eventually left for, what else, a Sonic cult. Graal is its own game. If you played Zelda Online & enjoyed it, grand; I'm sure it was riveting while it lasted—but it isn't Graal history anymore than Stefan's first bicycle crash as a child is part of Graal.

I think the confusion lies in the fact that it was discontinued, its scraps recycled, made by the same company, and had many of the same players.

@clops I remember antago =o I didn't think it was really him at first, didn't know antago enough back then but he did also later have an NPC at some point.

@antago just want to chime in and say to my understanding Zelda Online made changes and became Graal The Adventure per Stefan and unixmad. However I started in late (09) '98 so I never experienced Zelda Online to be able to speak of the prior coding.

@GOAT all lies.

Read the last part of my post (as I have edited it). "Zelda Online" was discontinued; the gaming resources were reused, modified heavily, and used to build Graal. 99% of games today are built on the backs of former titles; that does not make them sequels is my point, nor aspects of each other's history. Developmentally, in an academic setting, it may be interesting to discuss some of the former titles that set the foundation of the programming & graphics—but from a marketing & real world perspective, these are two completely different titles.

Also, you joined Graal much later than '98 from what I recall, and I didn't just have an "NPC", I pretty much took over for PACHUKA after Fuitad & Galen hired me.

Joining graal pc in 1998 is the same sort of thing as joining iclassic in 2009 lol

2006 4 lyfe. stoopid 1998-2005 oldmen!

*** u 2011FTW

@antago I started when the spawn location was just on the other side of Angel Clan right below the current Graal City bank. I didn't make it far since I had a 133mhz pc with AOL dial up. I was instantly PK'd at log in. I had started Graal as Shadow briefly, then I tried logging on as Xena. I remember when you died you respawned at that same place. Rarely could get far with the PK'rs because I moved sooooo slow until I made Xena and then killermech got me to safety(<3). Later in '99 I made contego and told everyone I was Xena.

Fam

1984-1989
Lived next to stefan and was his BFF

Is this a paid advertisement for Graal? o.O

Lmao GOAT ruled this thread

Even if this "GOAT" charter did help program some of the original client as he claims—he was not a participant in Graal. Being one of the original developers of Box2D does not make one an historical contributor to Angry Birds.

As a developer I'm simply over all this talk about Graal originally being Zelda Online. They're two separate titles, and it's insulting to continually compare Graal to it, or Zelda for the matter. It's its own game. Time for people to accept this

lol it feels so weird. antago, contego, clops all here...

cringing

GOAT is a troll.

Also, antago, how does it feel to have a building named after u in destiny?
Edit: lol I put contego instead of antago whoops sorry

There's antago's house/boot shop an antago's tower that's not open to the public right?

Please open

Damn

As a player playing zelda online and the first version of graal in a row. How do you detect a difference in gameplay? The most obvious difference is the tileset slightly changed. The buttons used didn't change, the hearts/yinyangs stayed in the same place? You still use sword with the exact same slash animations and errors in animation and the same bomb with the plus shaped explosions from Stefan's old bomberman game. It really feels like a graphical change only (which wouldn't have even happened without a cease and desist order), not a gameplay change.

One would assume that the fact Nintendo didn't pursue Graal is evidence enough that it is in another category to Zelda Online, legally speaking.

1) I did not say gameplay distinguish titles.
2) Even if the changes are slight, a developer reserves the right to recycle his own technology & gameplay into entirely separate titles.
3) Zelda inspired the original Zelda Online knock-off; it was from this inspiration & reproduction that inspired Stefan to develop the technology & gameplay—it was not until the cease & desist that he decided to use this inspired technology to release his own game.
4) As a professional game developer & marketer, I have never in my life encountered another professional who literally programs everything from scratch, nor enlists updated versions of programming software engines as "versions" of end driven products.

Albeit the cease & desist on Zelda Online drove Cyberjoueur to create their own title—and they certainly didn't feel like being much more original—Graal is its own title and its own game built using the software engine developed while copying Zelda; it is not a sequel or continuation, and legally it has been modified enough to quantify (or at least morally enough) to not be sued "again".

2005 here if that's any use to anyone.

Super weird since a lot of people on this game were born after 1998.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graal_Online

Scroll down to Graal Versions.

Zelda Online listed as first version and 2nd version starts in 2001.

Antago sounds as if he's been sued for copyright infringement before with how much he's pushing this game being legal. It is a zelda clone. The "zelda online" game was actually called Graal already when I first played it and still called Graal when they changed the tileset to not look like zelda a link to the past. Stefan never made a public statement saying they are two separate games. He made enough changes to not get sued (considering it used zelda's exact graphics in early versions of Graal).

I'm well aware of what is listed on this wikipedia page which is definitely one of the reasons I am posting this; I simply disagree. You do not get ordered a cease & desist, recycle your game development tools, rename the game and then continue to include the previous illegal title as a version of the new title. From the vernacular, I also feel it severely diminishes the magic, potency, & purity of Graal as it is when it was erected.

This is a game about the Holy Grail at the dawn of the Age of Aquarius; Zelda Online is a tribute to Zelda:ALTTP which is a ripoff from the 90s. Technically speaking, as well, from an HONEST marketing & cultural perspective—it doesn't make any sense to attempt to call a new game a continuation of a previous cease & desist which was a knockoff of another title.

Do you think Graal is illegal? What are you saying? lol

Lol every thread I make turns into a debate

Graal was called Graal even when it used Zelda graphics. It was called Graal on the cyberjeuer website and when you opened the game. Players started calling it zelda online or java zelda later on.

Graal is still a zelda-type game, Antago is being extremely obnoxious.

1962
Did I mentioned we were conjoined twins.(ok that was the last one, horse is pretty dead)

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Such lies

Funny watching these 2 go at it
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GOAT is stefans brother and Unixmads neighbour and he's actually my work partner :D
@antago
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