I need admin help ASAP
 

Ok so yesterday both my sub and main accounts were banned yesterday for hackingn and cheating I swear I did neither and thank Lord almighty my main was unbanned but my sub ban was overturned and it said you cannot be linked to this person but I'm like that person is me and I did nothing wrong lol and it says that my main must not be linked to this person again. So my question is how can I explain or prove to admins I did nothing wrong or if I cannot how can I not be associated with myself aka my sub account?

We can't really help you here. This is not a support forum. I can suggest submitting a ticket to http://support.toonslab.com/, however.

I did submit ticket and it said sub is still banned so in order to not be associated I deleted graal plus but this still makes me mad I did not hack or cheat on either account! Admins cannot prove that they did and this makes me mad as poop >:0 I DID NOTHING WRONG

3rd GTEAM member down everybody.

That doesn't change the fact that Graalians.com is not a place to talk about bans. It can't do anything more than support.toonslab.com can.

really
haven't been playing lately, who else

By down I mean heavily suspected of fishy speeds. Maxy and Chun were also believed by a lot to be speeding at least at some point in the past 2 months. No idea if/when they stopped. They were never banned though.

Lol reason they weren't banned is because they didn't speed and hack and my main was banned because it was linked to someone who was banned because my main DISNT do anything but also my sub didnt do anything bad and I understand this is not graalians not place to talk about bans but I know some people on here are reasonable and and don't ban for no reason without any proof and I want info on how to get it unbanned

Ok the problem here is that everyone who has ever been banned and come to the forums about it always says they did absolutely nothing wrong. Are you positive you didn't do anything on either account? If you did do something it's fine to admit it and just take the ban and clear your name (sorta) instead of being forever a shady suspect.

I agree with you completely but do you honestly want the truth? Because if I say I didn't do anything wrong I will be shady correct? And if i did then you will laff and say I knew it! So I'll answer your question of you are ready for the truth ;)

That's the problem with getting banned. People don't get banned out of nowhere, so you can either let it up to the community's speculation (basically crucifying any reputation you may have had) or attempt to repent and pray that the community of Graal accepts your plea.

Ok so you are obviously not ready and you are incorrect people can get accused falsley AKA Salem witch trials and other cases where football players killed people and got away with t now this isn't to that level but it still occurs in this game because no system is perfect but admins should not be able to ban people without showing proof to players

Fulgore if you really want to know the truth pm me in graal instead of making big dramatic deal of argument in this forum because this is supposed to be informational ;) besides why can't we be friends?

These are textbook responses of someone who got banned. The flow chart always goes "I did nothing wrong" -> 'You obviously did you're banned' -> "No I was wrongly accused and they messed up"

Also, those examples you mentioned were infinitely more complicated than this game. They have detection for these things, it isn't just by their eye. While it may be true that no system is perfect, (in theory) this system is pretty accurate historically in judging things like this.

Your road to shady speculation has begun, repent your sins!

Also, this isn't about personal relations. I think you aren't a bad/weird guy. But you did get banned for something, and speculation for this should be kept separate from personal opinions of the person, as in all justice systems.

Jesus loves you too and I will not repent for false things I'm sorry to burst your bubble but GTEAM is not what you think it is. Ask WAR and SLX we play fair and have fun I'm not going to argue anymore about this but I just want you to know we can be friends you still have a chance!

pretty sure many people reported us when the speed hacking rumors were at its prime, the fact that none of us got banned should prove more than enough.


thats a false statement, no one is 100% correct, especially with the average age of the admins we have right now. People can even get in jail for doing nothing irl, I dont see how graal can be 100% perfect at banning.

Didn't say it was 100% perfect. But hacking/cheating reason in specific is one that the admins themselves hardly have to detect, as I'm pretty sure there are mechanisms in place to do it for them. Now when you inevitably reply restating what you just said again, it will be like trying to argue against the results of a calculator (if you don't get the relationship there, the gist is that you can't win that argument). If I'm wrong and the admins don't have mechanisms like this to look at then someone please correct me, as that changes things.

Again Ruppy, this isn't about friendship. Still fine with you as a person. But something is obviously up.

And Chun, by your logic that you just stated, you entirely contradicted your point. "well we were reported and not banned so there we didn't do it." "But the Graal ban system is wack and there are things that go unchecked and unfair bans all the time"

HMMMMMM

I've playing for around...4 years(? maybe) and i was only banned once...and that was my fault.Point being,you don't get banned out of nowhere.You ust be doing something obviously.

Is it me or does every member of a spar guild always seem to have beef with each other?

I know what you mean striken lol it's hard to be loved by other guilds but hey I'm open to more friends guys! Just you gotta be open minded and prepared for da truth >:0

Actually Fulgore Chun and Maxy were nerbanned and and chun cannot reply right now his power is out :P and tbh you are right something is up I am banned for 0 reason lol

if you dont think its 100% perfect then you shouldnt just assume ruppy and others are banned for a legit reason.

i doubt the detecting system do all of the work about hacking/cheating ban(maybe most of it, but not all), human are involved sometimes especially when you submit a ticket for appeal. True, it can detect hacks with high accuracy, but at the end of the day it is still programmed by a human and it can be flawed. Is it really considered hacking/cheating or not is a big problem.

about the contradicting part, you must be really optimistic. It is a totally different story. Us not getting banned has at least 2 processes. First, the detector that u highly trust didnt detect any speed hack. Then secondly, admins check us personally and still can not detect it.

also mbk, you should not judge the whole thing from your personal experience, which is like 1/1000000 of graal.

Welcome to the spar community.

Yeah ask Craftz all about it he's really involved.

All I did was point out the contradiction. If you think there are flaws then you very well could have been banned but got lucky. Maybe Ruppy was innocent and you were guilty, or vice versa. Now based on your logic you pick which one of those scenarios you like best for your next comment.

Also, what happened to quitting Graal Chun?

Also #2, the issue with this is that people are going to blindly stick up for their guild without knowing the scenario at all. If someone like Craftz or Comyt or GOAT had something happen to them that was unfair I'd fight for them, despite past disputes. Similarly, there are people in Alumni who I definitely acknowledge have done things in the past and since then have changed. (There's another ticket to repent Ruppy). People need to start looking at actual facts presented instead of blindly supporting their friends because that's how things like this happen. The lot of people who do this would be a hell of a lot more likable if they took this approach, assuming they care about things like that.

Inb4 someone accuses me of always sticking up for Alumni, but it's because 95% of the time any nitpicked thing against us has the facts all wrong and uses baseless insults and things of the sort, not that people will actually believe that because everyone loves to get on the hate train to try to make senpai notice them.

my preference doesnt really matter. All i did was pointing out systems are flawed and innocent people can be banned.

however, you seem to like the "both me and ruppy are guilty" scenario judging from the posts you posted on this thread(which is like half of all the posts here)

im here because it seems like someone is assuming ruppy is hacking

lets not get into trust issue thing again, I never said ruppy must be innocent. As i said earlier, innocent people can be banned. He might hv done something that somehow can be considered "hacking/cheating"

Funny thing is you still believe they speed even though they don't. The only conversations I can recall between you and (GTEAM) as a guild have been about Maxy and Chun speeding. You may or may not be fine with them as a person, but you're on the hate train aswell.

Why is one guild that has someone with a shady af history on graal accusing others who have worked their butts off to get to where they are now?

I've personally never said that I think any of them speed, but I think it's pretty stupid that some are claiming that there's some form of proof that they don't. Just because they haven't been banned? Well, there's no automated method of detecting speed hackers anymore, and none of you should trust the by-the-eye judgment of a 14-year-old staff member who has never sparred before in their life.

I know for a fact there are people who speed in spars outside of any member of GTEAM, and I'm 99% sure they will never get banned because there will never be a conclusive way to pin it on the players who are speedhacking at 1-10%, or anything that isn't blatantly obvious. I don't even give a **** if people speed anymore, the ones who do it still suck anyway.

Don't hate them as people. I just point out their actions which shouldn't be condoned. If they stopped after they initially were called out then that's fantastic and I respect them. But I have no idea if they did or not, and now they've soiled their own rep. They're good people who did bad things, and if they would just own up to it they'd get infinitely more respect as well as forgiveness from everyone.

what you said in bold doesnt match up with rest of the paragraph lol

if you really have no idea did we hack or not, have you ever considered what if we didnt? how are we supposed to get forgiveness from people or gain respect?

most of your posts revolves about we speed hacking when it comes to GTEAM related, it really doesnt seem like you are indifferent about we speed hack or not.

In retrospective let's say you were accused of committing a crime in real life, to get their "reputation" back they had to own up to things they didn't do. Of course, that's a bit of an extreme example since this is just a game. But do you get what I'm saying?

It was clear to more people than just me that it happened at at least a point in time, even if it was a very small point. I'm not active on the client and on the tab looking to really watch much to see if it continued or didn't. Vague wording before, my fault.

Was trying to say that if you did indeed stop, then there is a lot more respect to be had for you, but the fact that it happened at a point will have a lot of people not convinced (not myself).

Regarding the knowledge of Thallen on the lack of an automated detection system, that changes things a bit for Ruppy. The eye of humans, much less inexperienced admins can certainly falter, so its possible that it was indeed inaccurate, since no automated system was used. However, that does mean that it's possible that other slight speeding was disregarded in the past.

It's like pleading guilty to get less time instead of pleading innocent, losing the case, and getting more.

Then why are people still pleading for that they are innocent with that knowledge at hand? Being accused wrongfully isn't as simple as accepting you're guilty when you truthfully aren't.

Every thread has to have a percentage of spar arguments.

It isn't just me who accused them of this, there are several. There obviously isn't some Graal court to examine evidence, so they can "plead innocent with this knowledge" without consequence.

Either way though, from my knowledge they didn't continue as of current even though they did at a point, which is admirable, as there are others who don't take the same action. As far as vendetta against the guild as a whole, I actually have good respect for GTEAM, as along with Alumni and SLX they're one of the few teams that keep their roster relatively unchanged for GST unless a few can't make it, something most guilds don't do.

Not like there's any evidence from either side anyway. We should just all grow up now and stop arguing over a old controversial topic, peace.

If there are people who genuinely believe that certain people speed hack and there has been proven to be no automated or intelligent way to catch them then I don't see why it has to be a taboo subject

I'd just ignore it if it bothered anyone, either that or not do it if you actually are
That's what I do whenever idiots tell me I use some sophisticated impossible weapon injection hack that extends my sword a centimeter longer than normal

SLX uses a system where the guild members vote on who should be on the team... Well that's what I'm lead to believe since that's what we're doing this GST I have no idea if it's a regular thing for GST or if it's a new thing.