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DoubleliftGraal 10-31-2015 05:07 PM

Hiring Check on Graal
 
Why on earth does Graal Classic and the rest of servers hire without some real background check? Is there ANY other game that does this or is it just graal? I feel like using these admins don't help at all and there's no exact requirement of maturity or any other factors.

Albie 10-31-2015 05:09 PM

You do have to be mature to be an admin, though apparently you don't have to be older. Most admins are sub 16 years of age
When people say "age doesn't matter for admins" I sigh.

How is an admin supposed to know what's inappropriate when they're 12?
How will they know to deny an inappropriate upload eg a bong when they don't know what it is.

Buffalo 10-31-2015 05:13 PM

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Posted by Albie (Post 627835)
You do have to be mature to be an admin, though apparently you don't have to be older. Most admins are sub 16 years of age
When people say "age doesn't matter for admins" I sigh.

How is an admin supposed to know what's inappropriate when they're 12?
How will they know to deny an inappropriate upload eg a bong when they don't know what it is.

The old admins were my age. Now they are younger or seem younger through how they act

Albie 10-31-2015 06:41 PM

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Posted by Buffalo (Post 627839)
The old admins were my age. Now they are younger or seem younger through how they act

Yeah. The old admins seemed to knew what they were doing and didn't overreact, but still had room to have fun and be a little immature.
New ones? Really serious, and don't want to joke around much. They don't understand when you're joking, kind of the reason I think they're younger. Taking their job too seriously makes us suffer, it's so much better to have fun admins.

Thallen 10-31-2015 06:57 PM

I don't care about an age requirement, but I'm sure many people who genuinely want to help the game are being prevented from doing so due to ridiculous circumstances noted in their account.

Every time you get your chat reset, status reset, nickname reset, warped for game disruption, etc. - all of that gets noted in your account, forever. It doesn't matter who did it, why, if it was deserved, etc. If you get banned randomly, send in a support ticket, and you're immediately banned, your account's history will still show that you were banned and unbanned (rather than just removing the incident entirely). All that does is allow build-up of some ridiculously long "history" that makes you look like you've always been punished appropriately.

I have probably 10 "game disruption" infractions against my account all from towering with MDR, when Soren was an admin and was fired for warping players away from towers for no reason at all. None of those will ever be removed, despite him being fired for doing it. It just builds up.

From another thread:
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Posted by Thallen (Post 626987)
I can recall being banned a single time and then immediately unbanned (because it was completely random). I recently applied for GP and I was told that I can't be hired due to my "massive history." A GP showed me this history (which is probably illegal). It was composed 90% of boost alerts, scam alerts, and game disruptions.

I then came to find that I am triggering "boost alert" when sparring the same player over and over to preserve my streak in the main spar room when everyone runs away... I'm triggering "scam alert" by linking bit.ly URLs in my status and in PMs to people for them to view details of details for my tower hat submissions... and I'm triggering "game disruption" by standing in doorways at towers and being warped away by staff who don't know what they're doing.

So, I'll never be eligible because I'm a good sparrer and I use a URL shortener and Soren was a corrupt douche who would warp people away from his friend's towers. I know that's a really fringe case, but it's still stupid and it feels good to vent about it. XOXO, thanks for listening.

Based on that experience, I'm pretty sure complete randoms who have no actual experience playing the game (thus never get any of these infractions against their account) have a really good chance of getting hired. That's how we end up with people like Soren, Yuri (no offense), Supreme (no offense), etc.

Skyzer 10-31-2015 07:01 PM

iClassic staff, here I come!

Areo 10-31-2015 07:38 PM

I don't really see how many of you have so many experiences with them, they don't seem to call for much attention. If they act immature on their player account, does that matter to their status as an administator? If there a level of maturity required on a player account? Those are questions I would want to know the answers to.

Mizochi 10-31-2015 07:43 PM

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Posted by Areo (Post 627877)
I don't really see how many of you have so many experiences with them, they don't seem to call for much attention. If they act immature on their player account, does that matter to their status as an administator? If there a level of maturity required on a player account? Those are questions I would want to know the answers to.

Wouldn't that be implied along with becoming a server admin? You used to be able to contact any admin with a serious or important question and get a proper answer that isn't "email toonslab." Most of the newer admins don't have a clue what they are doing. I agree with what thallen said because this has probably stopped a lot of players from becoming admins. Guess I can't become a admin because I have been warped for bs also

Albie 10-31-2015 07:46 PM

I appealed and told them that a huge 7 foot german guy came into my house and forced me to speedhack but apparently my ban isn't going to be overturned. They don't understand what life is like in the real world.

Alexmo 10-31-2015 09:28 PM

Funny thing I lied about my age when joining the forums and when I sent an admin application

Eugeen 10-31-2015 10:25 PM

I was hired to the graphics team in 2014 even though I have been banned like 4 times, jailed 80+ times and been warped like 20 times a week cus of glitching. But I changed and I got a chance either way even though I could have easily abused tools. So I'm not too sure if this stuff about them looking at your history only is true. It might be but idk

Zetectic 10-31-2015 10:26 PM

when i heard people talking about newly hired admins. people said new gps were 12 or 13. i thought it was a joke, until i think i met some of them thru skype while i was in touch with ryan6, brenda. not they only sounded like 13, they were actually 13-15.

they were nice and they weren't trying to be immature. but i still wouldn't give a job to some 13 year old, there are a lot of terms that they weren't familiar with imo. im not trying to be rude, just talk to some 13 year old kids irl or read what you wrote when you were 13.
if you are a normal kid, it is hard to make a fully thoughtful decision regarding some player's issues. even when you are trying to act mature, it just won't work.

this doesn't mean people older than 15+ are mature either.

Bryan* 10-31-2015 11:02 PM

The amount I've applied for GP is the same amount I've been banned :'( (5). Besides maturity, I really cannot comprehend what qualities or skills these younger players possess that they are accepted over your chances of getting this role.

Clown 10-31-2015 11:20 PM

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Posted by iBubble (Post 627909)
I was hired to the graphics team in 2014 even though I have been banned like 4 times, jailed 80+ times and been warped like 20 times a week cus of glitching. But I changed and I got a chance either way even though I could have easily abused tools. So I'm not too sure if this stuff about them looking at your history only is true. It might be but idk

West has a management team that understands that a few bans/warnings are not entirely a bad thing - they actually believe in change of heart unlike others

Platinum 10-31-2015 11:21 PM

With the amount of players on iClassic, it's not hard to understand they might be busy with reports and uploads so they'd be unable to reply immediately.
That being said, I once messaged a GP regarding my account and she replied fairly quickly.
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Posted by Zetectic (Post 627910)
when i heard people talking about newly hired admins. people said new gps were 12 or 13. i thought it was a joke, until i think i met some of them thru skype while i was in touch with ryan6, brenda. not they only sounded like 13, they were actually 13-15.

they were nice and they weren't trying to be immature. but i still wouldn't give a job to some 13 year old, there are a lot of terms that they weren't familiar with imo. im not trying to be rude, just talk to some 13 year old kids irl or read what you wrote when you were 13.
if you are a normal kid, it is hard to make a fully thoughtful decision regarding some player's issues. even when you are trying to act mature, it just won't work.

this doesn't mean people older than 15+ are mature either.

Firstly, Graal isn't Google, so don't expect brilliant customer service. Most of the job I'd imagine is dealing with reports, monitoring uploads, and hosting events in that priority.
Secondly, there are some responsible 12-13 year olds around. Believe it or not, not all of them are irresponsible idiots.
Lastly, they fit the criteria. GPs generally need to be online a lot to do their job. Older teenagers tend to study for exams (like myself :( ) and so aren't able to be online much.

To everyone: Stop whining about 13 year olds being hired. Some are perfectly capable in what they do and sometimes are the best option to hired.

Alexmo 10-31-2015 11:50 PM

I feel they should lower the age limit I'm actually under 13

Thallen 10-31-2015 11:53 PM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 627935)
To everyone: Stop whining about 13 year olds being hired. Some are perfectly capable in what they do and sometimes are the best option to hired.

so hard for me to believe that
anyway, like I said, the fact that it's an immediate yes/no after a glance at account histories is probably what is preventing 90% of you from ever having a chance (which is stupid)

Ivy 11-01-2015 01:01 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 627870)
I don't care about an age requirement, but I'm sure many people who genuinely want to help the game are being prevented from doing so due to ridiculous circumstances noted in their account.

Every time you get your chat reset, status reset, nickname reset, warped for game disruption, etc. - all of that gets noted in your account, forever. It doesn't matter who did it, why, if it was deserved, etc. If you get banned randomly, send in a support ticket, and you're immediately banned, your account's history will still show that you were banned and unbanned (rather than just removing the incident entirely). All that does is allow build-up of some ridiculously long "history" that makes you look like you've always been punished appropriately.
.

This is the case for me as well.

Eugeen 11-01-2015 01:24 AM

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Posted by Clown (Post 627934)
West has a management team that understands that a few bans/warnings are not entirely a bad thing - they actually believe in change of heart unlike others

I was actually talking about classic as I've been in their graphics team aswell but yeah olwest does exactly what you said

TD* 11-01-2015 01:42 AM

Hiring a GP is a hit or miss. The only information made available to the staff hiring is the application (which is often 90% BS) and the player's log.

Reality is a ban history is undesirable. Whether it's justified or not, you look less credible than the guy with a clear history, even more so when the job want requires you to act to a certain standard. There is more risk hiring you over the application that looks suspiciously perfect. It's your job to convince the employer that you've gone through a maturing phase in your application. How else would the person reading through your application know that?
Even if you meet the minimum standards, which are close to nothing, Classic doesn't owe you the position. You aren't special. When there are hundreds of applications for a couple of open spots, stuff like a bad history make it tougher to get in. If it turns out you were qualified, then it's their loss.

Getting hired is not about being the most qualified person, it's about convincing the employer that you are without lying.

Side note, never seen a single 13 year old GP in the years I've been working for Classic.

Aguzo 11-01-2015 01:10 AM

Do they allow you to join their team, if you haven't been banned for a certain period of time?

or

Is a ban from, let's say chat blocking, a very good reason to prevent someone from joining, even if it were 2-3 years ago?

I have no clue how strict their requirements are, I've never applied for GP, I think...
Saying this, because I think someone needs to moderate the competitive community.
The best staff, for GPs anyway, are the ones who know the rules, but don't know the players. (They would have no preference towards certain players, so they wouldn't have friends to give free passes to)

Rolense 11-01-2015 01:21 AM

The fact is some 10 to 17 age kids is much mature than any other older age.

Eugeen 11-01-2015 02:01 AM

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Posted by Aguzo (Post 627987)
Do they allow you to join their team, if you haven't been banned for a certain period of time?

or

Is a ban from, let's say chat blocking, a very good reason to prevent someone from joining, even if it were 2-3 years ago?

I have no clue how strict their requirements are, I've never applied for GP, I think...
Saying this, because I think someone needs to moderate the competitive community.
The best staff, for GPs anyway, are the ones who know the rules, but don't know the players. (They would have no preference towards certain players, so they wouldn't have friends to give free passes to)

I admitted everything I did wrong in the past in my application and got hired so yeah as long as you're honest and mature about it then you have a high potential between everyone else

PumaD 11-01-2015 03:04 AM

I wouldn't want to hear a 14 yrs old telling me what's appriopiate and what isn't at all..

Ivy 11-01-2015 03:35 AM

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Posted by iBubble (Post 628005)
I admitted everything I did wrong in the past in my application and got hired so yeah as long as you're honest and mature about it then you have a high potential between everyone else

I've done this in one of my my graphics apps in the past to classic and was not hired lol

Zetectic 11-01-2015 03:38 AM

platinum, i agree with teens busy with their lives & most 13 yr olds are innocent. They don't tend to lie, if they do it's obvious. i don't care if 13 yr old is an admin or not, cus it never affected me and i don't expect graal for an excellent customer service.
but i still want to say 13 year old aren't fully capable of handling jobs imo. They can be easily influenced, corrupted, make mistakes more than an adult and they also learn quicker than adults. nothing is really going to change.

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Posted by TD* (Post 627977)
Side note, never seen a single 13 year old GP in the years I've been working for Classic.

don't ****ing lie bro =.=;; im tellin' brenda bout dis.

Albie 11-01-2015 03:54 AM

True, most of being a gp is checking uploads. But they don't even know how to do that?
I know now to upload when good admins are online, because if you do it when they aren't they'll get rejected.
Ever got your bandanna head rejected? Probably by a younger admin taking their job too seriously.
I got banned from uploads for uploading a head based off an anime, again an admin taking their job too seriously. There are so many things based off copyright material in graal eg coco and dusty's Halloween costumes but at the end of the day, that's not breaking any rules. It's just inspiration.

I doubt those two would of been able to get those costumes if they were uploading when one of the super serious younger admins were online.

At the end of the day, no not all admins who are young suck - but most of them do.

Eugeen 11-01-2015 04:00 AM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 628028)
I've done this in one of my my graphics apps in the past to classic and was not hired lol

Didn't say you would be assured to get hired

Ivy 11-01-2015 04:06 AM

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Posted by iBubble (Post 628038)
Didn't say you would be assured to get hired

I just feel like it's unfair that lesser skilled people are getting hired and I'm not even given a chance because I had a bad history (although several times it winded up being the fault of the staff, and not me.)

sure, I may have been banned a few times. I've been playing for several years and have made some pretty stupid decisions.
But I've learned from my mistakes, and am not the same as I was when I was like 12. (Probably around the time i found the game).

Bryan* 11-01-2015 04:08 AM

Well time to take a 2-week vacation (got my 6th)

Ivy 11-01-2015 04:14 AM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 628026)
My original post:
Spoiler


Some of the hats reviews are colored so they stand out.
Club crypt:

The hats are extremely dull. They tend to lack depth and the colors used often don't look great together. This year's hats had colors that didn't really fit together. (Ex: look at the eyeball hat and the color used to shade it. They are oversimplified and look more like children's drawings than cartoony.
A majority of the hats are also in the wrong perspective.

-Eyeball hat continued:
The lightsource is kind of weird for Graal, especially because the shadow was put on the top. Eyeballs aren't made out of flat, dull colors. It should have a shinier look to it so it is more lively! I would suggest referencing the eyeball hat that Drea Azari made last year. You can find his profile in the guild (Azari) if you'd like to see a collection of his work. It's displayed inside of his house.

-Some of the hats look good/adequate in the front view, and absolutely horrid in the side view.
(the skeleton hood looks like a severely deformed marshmallow on the side view). Sure, side views may not be the easiest thing for some artists, but you could always reference a hat that already exists on the server! (Coco makes some pretty sexy hoods). The other views are fine, and the front is obviously the cutest!

Next, we have the pumpkin hat with the 3 leaves on top. (this pumpkin has been cut just right to fit nobody's head! :D)
-the leaves look like plastic
-the colors are over saturated
-the hat turns from a pumpkin with awkward highlighting on the edges in the front, to a deformed basketball that procreated with a pear.(isn't Rick Ross supposed to be controlling the pear population?) oh, and be back view is way too massive. It doesn't even compare with the size of the front view.

Third, we have the pumpkin hat beanie (a stylish pumpkin hat for your trash can). The lines used for shading the creases are too thick, and look like they were drawn by a 4th grader in washable markers. The shading color that is meant to give it depth is too subtle, and almost unnoticeable.
The pumpkin itself could be a tad less saturated, but it isn't all that bad. The line art is really jaggy though.
-the green thing under it is too thick, and makes the perspective look odd. It's boxy on the bottom and doesn't really have appealing colors used in general.

Forth, we have the straw hat. This hat is adorable, and is fine in every view. However, the yellow used as the base color is far over saturated and kind of takes away from the leaves.

5th, we have the straw hat. Not really sure what it's supposed to resemble, but the perspective looks odd and the ear holes leave an empty space for anyone not using a head based directly off of the noob head... The colors used are unappealing,
And the hat is misaligned on every view.
-move the front down
-sides and back need to be moved up

6th, there is the demon horns. These are cute, and I mainly bought them because leah was rocking them. However, the shading color could be a little more contrasted, and maybe a highlight could be used to give the hat a bit more depth.

The tombstone top hat... This hat is just really ugly (to me personally) and lacks any depth. It's not even close to the proper perspective, and the front looks like a cardboard cut out. The brim of the hat should just be removed, as it makes it look even less appealing. I'd personally suggest adding some tufts of grass there (tip: don't outline the bottom of the grass so it can look like it grows from the players head)
-make the highlight on the top much larger (just widen it form the top to a few pixels down. the concept isn't bad (if you exclude a poor attempt at turning it into a top hat)

the jewel spider hat simply doesn't fit my personal taste. I don't really see anything wrong with it other then the alignment of the side view being pushed too far forward.


The skull crown is an interesting concept, and if revamped if could probably look nice. The perspective is done very well.
However, the hat overall lacks any distinguishing details that would make it clear that it is a skull crown (sadly)

The colors used are too contrasted and should probably have used the colors on the bone furniture set. It looks more like a crown made of rolled up paper that's bent at the ends(this isn't meant to be mean or offensive).



The cat ears are well made and cute, they seem to be aligned well and fit on the majority of heads! They could come in more colors, but I'm not really upset about that lol
-the use of black inside of them looks bad. It didn't ruin the hat, but I feel like t watered down the quality. In my opinion, it would have made sense to stick with a better contrasting shading color than the one used (not the black), then Use a darker shade to make shadowy areas around the bottom of the sides (inside of ear, because it's a curved shape).
(I use them as wolf ears because they are generic, which isn't a bad thing!)


Bone bird top hat:
Not bad at all! Consistent in the other views and perspective is done properly.
Colors used are kind of dull, and the little skull on the front looks really weird. (It has no shading on it ._.)
The hands/antlers coming off of the sides look kind of unusual on the front view, but it doesn't ruin the hat. doesn't really fit my personal taste so I would be purchasing it, but you can't please everyone.


candle top hat: pretty cute! Colors used arent bad at all.
The animation is bad. However, I'm not saying that I could do better myself (especially when my laptop randomly decides it cant run gimp), but I honestly thought the "flames" were just really poorly made feathers flapping around. (The animation isn't really smooth either...
The little button on top is a cute touch that makes the hat unique, but it is a bit too large. Maybe making it a bit smaller (vertically) by moving the top up a pixel or two would help.
-The side view should be moved up a few pixels and maybe pushed further back.


Pumpkin patch hat: this is way too saturated. However, the design itself is cute. The lines used for he creases are jaggy, and too dark. They blend in with the eyes, and not in an appealing way
.

Purple Wizard hat: really unappealing colors. The shading color is way too contrasted from the base color, which looks unattractive on its own.
-The side views look the best, the front looks awkward and gross, while the back looks like it could have been good, but it looks like a piece of purple poop is hanging off of the back.


Spooky mask: cute hat, colors not bad, but something about the way it's shaded throws me off. The face on it is cool :smile:. My personal opinion on the colors is that they aren't really that appealing (to me, others may love them) and they are a tad too dark.
-I'm not really into masks; so maybe I judged this one a little more critically. However, I am a fan of the masks in the style of that ookami mask from nexus (most of them were like that). This mask is in that style, but the design is obviously far different. Its design isn't necessarily unique, but you can only come up with so many things for a holiday after a few years.



Afterthoughts:
-hopefully some of the advice I gave may be taken into consideration, and at least some of the hats may be edited/fixed.

-I know like I came off as harsh and ignorant in my earlier posts and want to apologize for it.

- I am aware of the mean spirited humor sprinkled in this post.

-I will probably be doing edits of the hats (some) because I have free time and it would probably be a fun project

-I would rate the hats on the number scale, but I feel like that would be kind of pointless, and would be affected by my personal preferences anyway.

-sorry 4 the wall of text fam

Note:
I'm too lazy to critique the hats in the other rooms. I'm sure this wall of text is plenty to read, if you actually bother.

This review isn't meant to be mean spirited, and is merely a reflection of my own thoughts. I have included ways to improve the hats(most anyway), But I know that some of the suggestions I made were worded a bit more like complaints. This wasn't intentional, but because I'm typing on an iPhone (with a cracked top of the screen) I'm really not trying to go back and fix all of it

Some of the punctuation may be incorrect, but I typed a pretty massive wall of text and really don't want to scroll up a tiny text box to find these errors.

edit #1 http://i.imgur.com/PEmvQnX.png
Didn't really bother trying to make a whole new back because chances are it won't be used for anything, and having to edit the hat to what I have in mind would be tedious af.

Process:

Just an example of the differences between what some of the current staff have been pushing out vs how I would have done it.
(It's an edit, but if I didn't include the original image you'd probably think I'd made it from scratch. All of the colors have changed, and none the line art is in the same place.
The only part I left even remotely smilar to the original was the bottom part, but obviously I made it thinner so it wouldn't look awkward and massive on the players head...)

My version isn't that great looking overall, but I haven't touched artstudio in months. (Aside from finishing a recolor of my head) I'm also lazy and decided it was ok enough for the public eye after several hours

TD* 11-01-2015 04:56 AM

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 628030)
don't ****ing lie bro =.=;; im tellin' brenda bout dis.

I vaguely remember one that was 14 years old. Not that big of a difference. Most are in the 16-17 range when they start. Above 18 is less common. They often are the ones who administrated for a couple years.

Anyway that's what I got out of it.

Ivy 11-01-2015 05:10 AM

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Posted by TD* (Post 628073)
I vaguely remember one that was 14 years old. Not that big of a difference. Most are in the 16-17 range when they start. Above 18 is less common. They often are the ones who administrated for a couple years.

Anyway that's what I got out of it.

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Albie 11-01-2015 08:31 AM

should i b admin yes(102103) no(3)

Alexmo 11-01-2015 11:47 AM

Where do you sign up for gp again

Zara 11-01-2015 12:10 PM

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Posted by Alexmo (Post 628123)
Where do you sign up for gp again

http://graalonlineclassic.com/gpapp.php

Alexmo 11-01-2015 12:33 PM

Thanks

Albie 11-01-2015 02:32 PM

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Posted by TD* (Post 628073)
I vaguely remember one that was 14 years old. Not that big of a difference. Most are in the 16-17 range when they start. Above 18 is less common. They often are the ones who administrated for a couple years.

Anyway that's what I got out of it.

They tell you they're older than they are. I'm 14 and I don't think I'm admin material whatsoever but anyway, my voice is deeper than a lot of 16 year olds.
Moral is, it's easy to lie.

Basi 11-01-2015 02:50 PM

Back when i first started in 2010 99% of the staff was 16+

Then two slightly younger people were hired

Pavilion75 was 16 i think
and LordofPi13 was 13.

These were the only cases of staff being younger than 16 that i can remember. And it stayed that way for a long time. Pre 2012 i cant remember many problems with staff age. But around 2012 is when a problem started to arise.

Pav and Pi were amazing at what they did and were incredible mature for their age.

Aeko 11-01-2015 02:58 PM

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Posted by Basi (Post 628172)
Back when i first started in 2010 99% of the staff was 16+

Then two slightly younger people were hired

Pavilion75 was 16 i think
and LordofPi13 was 13.

These were the only cases of staff being younger than 16 that i can remember. And it stayed that way for a long time. Pre 2012 i cant remember many problems with staff age. But around 2012 is when a problem started to arise.

Pav and Pi were amazing at what they did and were incredible mature for their age.

Graphics staff have always had a couple 13/14 year olds. Though, they usually don't last for more than a few weeks.

Conquest 11-01-2015 03:53 PM

I was 13 when I was I was LAT, Graphics Admin, Police Chief, web designer, developer. I was 14 when I co-created the first Pay-Server with Stefan, and Game Master. I'll admit a certain maturity is lacking at certain ages, but I think more than anything I find the dryness of a person's personality to be less conducive to gameplay. It appears that since I left 15 years ago, not a single server has been created with any real rich, innovative creativity; really, you want an admin with personality—not a hardass who can produce without entertaining. I guarantee if Graal hired me today it would be 10 times better in 6 months; not that I am applying—but what I am saying is that I can attest that I potential, whereas many around today simply see business opportunities.

Zetectic 11-01-2015 04:14 PM

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Posted by antago (Post 628188)
I was 13 when I was I was LAT, Graphics Admin, Police Chief, web designer, developer. I was 14 when I co-created the first Pay-Server with Stefan, and Game Master.

wtfffff

Crono 11-01-2015 06:07 PM

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Posted by DoubleliftGraal (Post 627832)
Why on earth does Graal Classic and the rest of servers hire without some real background check? Is there ANY other game that does this or is it just graal? I feel like using these admins don't help at all and there's no exact requirement of maturity or any other factors.

because people don't actually get "hired", genius

Imprint 11-01-2015 06:17 PM

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Posted by antago (Post 628188)
I was 13 when I was I was LAT, Graphics Admin, Police Chief, web designer, developer. I was 14 when I co-created the first Pay-Server with Stefan, and Game Master. I'll admit a certain maturity is lacking at certain ages, but I think more than anything I find the dryness of a person's personality to be less conducive to gameplay. It appears that since I left 15 years ago, not a single server has been created with any real rich, innovative creativity; really, you want an admin with personality—not a hardass who can produce without entertaining. I guarantee if Graal hired me today it would be 10 times better in 6 months; not that I am applying—but what I am saying is that I can attest that I potential, whereas many around today simply see business opportunities.

You also were working on a server of a much smaller scale in a time when quality in the game was not at the same level. It's completely different now and you can't compare it, so don't try to.

twilit 11-01-2015 07:18 PM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 628045)
Just an example of the differences between what some of the current staff have been pushing out vs how I would have done it.

But could you have pushed out 20 of those within a deadline? and then be able to turn around and make 40 more for Christmas?

Conquest 11-01-2015 07:19 PM

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Posted by Imprint (Post 628233)
You also were working on a server of a much smaller scale in a time when quality in the game was not at the same level. It's completely different now and you can't compare it, so don't try to.

Dude, first off you have no idea what you are talking about. I was working for both Graal Classic & Graal 2001; I majored in Video Game Design after high school on top of my prior experience throughout high school, then worked independently in high end marketing & internet engineering, software, & game design for the past 10 years. I am professionally a top-level interactive programmer, designer, writer, marketer, prophet, & entrepreneur.

The amount of players on the server is besides the point; everyone likes to flail around here scapegoating, "BUT THERE'S PEOPLE NOW!!!! AND TOOOONS OF HATS!!! NEW CHANGES!!!! AND CHING CHING!!! EVERYTHING'S DIFFERENT!"

I've got news for you, looking at how Graal is now and was then—it reeeeaallly hasn't changed much so quit lying to yourself unless you were there. There were 300 people online at any given time at the time I worked on Graal; there is not much difference from appealing to 300 people & 4,000 contrary to whatever Donald Trump expert thesis you pretend you've written about the topic.

Creativity is about having a soul; it's about passion, inspiration, skills, and yes, marketing. I am not the same 14 year old I was, so this notion that in the past 15 years I've done absolutely nothing with my life just shows how incompetent your discernment is. Graal Classic already existed; it hasn't changed much, contrary to what people think. In fact it keeps recycling a lot of the same content, scripts & graphics (although there's a lot of neat new ones), and concepts without breeching the surface. The server is beginning to look a lot like corporate Disney Land because the developers have skills, but not inspiration.

Thallen 11-01-2015 07:27 PM

lmfao

Imprint 11-01-2015 07:31 PM

The difference between 300 and 4000 players is huge when it involves giving hormonal teenagers administrative powers. Classic pulls 100k unique players a week. I don't care about what you've done since you were 13 and I don't care who you were at 13. The point is that nearly every 13 year old kid does not have the emotional maturity to handle that kind of power.

Also, sorry I burst your ego, but being a washed up Graal Dev jerking yourself off over what you did 15 years ago isn't all that cute.

Dread 11-01-2015 07:31 PM

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Conquest 11-01-2015 07:37 PM

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Posted by Imprint (Post 628248)
The difference between 300 and 4000 players is huge when it involves giving hormonal teenagers administrative powers. Classic pulls 100k unique players a week. I don't care about what you've done since you were 13 and I don't care who you were at 13. The point is that nearly every 13 year old kid does not have the emotional maturity to handle that kind of power.

Also, sorry I burst your ego, but being a washed up Graal Dev jerking yourself off over what you did 15 years ago isn't all that cute.

Okay I almost respected your opinion until you lowered yourself to vermin. And FYI, I was never paid by Graal you ungrateful fool; therefore, I am not "washed up". Everything I did was to feed the public; this isn't Hollywood, so sorry to bust your bubble, but my accomplishments in life will never, ever be yours—so the next time you wanna jerk off to some jealousy & demean another person's entire existence, maybe you should ask yourself why you pathetically drowning about in a community where you haven't done **** to contribute anything of real value to enhance another's life.


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