Bring Back 100 Health
 

I know I complain about this a lot, but bring back 100 HP...this isn't even a west game. People rushing you with giant staffs and swords isn't even western, like what the hell, any western game I ever played everyone is shooting each other up with revolvers and rifles, not stabbing each other with staffs and swords. The only thing close to being western is the setting of the game. Honestly who cares if it takes more hits to kill people and harder to get pks, it makes the game WAYYYYYYY MORE FUN. I'm also pretty sure when they released the 100 HP for awhile, we got a lot of new people, and when it was removed, we lost players (I know the play count has gone up a little, but the update would give us more). I just don't get the "Ol West" feeling having to run around with staffs or being rushed by staffs to take a base or PK. Idk who makes the decisions (probs HomelessWitch since she's Manager) but it would be cool, and smart, to bring this back on Ol West birthday. The 100 HP caught lots of people's attention and re releasing it would bring those players back, and it will make basing more competitive. That's all I have to say but doubt anyone will give a s*** or any staff will care but doesn't hurt to try and convince them to bring it back. (I also liked how the base Vaults health was at 500 and how they lose health for how much dmg the melee and gun do, brining that back would be nice also)

I completely agree with you on the 100 hp thing, but none of the graal games really stick to the theme, they just have the setting appear to use the theme, but everything thing else is different. Weapons stick to the theme (besides holiday weapons) for almost every graal game. But I do think we should have 100 hp

What's the health now?

50 hp

Mischief will complain again and spam the staff if the health is back

How much damage do guns do?

Depends on the gun

Actually zone and classic do a great job on sticking with there theme. Era can do whatever since it's technically "modern day stuff" It's just ol west doesn't hence the fact everyone is running around like barbarians with there melees

Well if he does, he should be happy he has the 100k PK guns and bought them for 20k (cause they now cost 100k)

I really want the 100 hp and 500 base hp.

What guns are those?

what are those!!!

Lol

There dual golden revolvers, 8 dmg, idk anything about the stats but there good.

Can you buy them anymore?

once you get 100k kills

Amen, this was when basing was fun! Atm people just rush with melle and take the base in seconds! Staffs are op and to balance they should return this.

Waiting on Mischeif to post against this

100 hp makes guns no more viable than they currently are. 100hp just causes it to take longer to kill a person no matter what weapon you use. melees will still be able to kill faster.
The way that guns are going to become the more prevalent weapons is having higher damage.

Just don't turn this into Era...

ERA's problem is not the damage of guns. its the insane low freeze and high firing rates.

what ive been saying the whole time -_- amen. praise the lord :3

where are u getting ur facts i never spammed staff to get it back to 50 health i simply told alpho to change it back

u guys also dont know your in the minority alot of people dont want that lol

Don't those kind of play a part in the amount of damage a gun can inflict though? I mean, no, the amount of points they're technically capable of inflicting per shot does not change due to the rates of either the freeze or fire rates, but rather the amount of damage they're capable of inflicting per second?

Low freeze, higher fire rate = more damage done. So, it's kind of the damage, but not.. but is. Maybe I'm just dumb? :unsure:

Your point still stands though. I'm just attempting to argue a rather mute point out of boredom.

But, you know, what are they to do? The game's so cluttered with guns, if they were to nerf one, they'd have to nerf another, then another, then another, in hopes of attaining balance between them all.

i dont know if ur getting it or not those same pk guns are able to be bought for 33k gp its the same stats as the crystal bow. another thing is they rechanged the skin of the murks andntook away its ability to be on the back its the same ehh gun the reload is too long for it to be good.

they just need to nerf the melees but obviously still have the hs be the best and do something with those gp staffs because they definitely should not be of that power. then they should fix those new items they put in the event shop aka that 100 hs whip and the boomerang and all those staffs that are the same as a 45 hs melee with another skin. i honestly dont know what u guys are doing lol

In that balance needs to be sought and, hopefully, achieved, I'll agree.

The rest, I won't comment on. The melees are a bit strong, but, dang, do you know how much life it takes for someone to amass all of those GP? AFKing for a large portion of it or not, I don't see how some people do it.

Isn't the rate 1 point a minute? So, 60 points in an hour? The melees cost, what, 20k? What's the math on that..

333.33 hours for 20k points? 13.88 days of someone's life spent on Ol' West, basing. That's ridiculous. The melees should be strong, for that.

But, still, like I said, balance is needed. That's obviously a tall order though, considering none of the servers have mastered it, or even gotten a real firm handle on it.

yes freeze and firing rate play a big part in how much damage a gun can inflict for sure. The problem with era is the high firing rates and low freeze is so out of proportion now making dodging bullets nearly impossible and massively closing the skill gap between "Pros" and "noobs".

Talking in terms of sparring. If you have a high damage gun that shoots slow and you aren't good enough to time shots or shoot accurately making your bullets hard to dodge, your high damage is worthless. If you have guns with low freeze and high firing rate as era has become known for, all you have to do is take a bottom position and box spam the opponent as long as you have a decent understanding of how to counter move. to me (and this is why i quit era) this takes out all the fun and skill of combat.

where i think era went wrong, and is unfortunately too far down the road to really fix, is the gap between different types of weapons to accommodate different play styles and skill sets. guns that have low freeze an fast firing rates should be held way back in the damage category making spamming work but you wont kill people super quickly with it. guns that have slow firing rates and lots of freeze will have significantly higher damage making it a more skill rewarding weapon.

now era does have difference but not nearly enough. 2 damage difference between a machine gun and a sniper is not nearly enough to give the sniper any kind of chance at being a competitive weapon.

No it really isnt hard just afk lol switch gangs and you will get it ez see how many people have you seen how many people have gp staffs it definitely shouodnt be of that power

Hey you wonder how you can close to pro to noon gap in era lower the prices of guns

I didn't say it was hard, just very slow-going, tedious. I mean, that's a lot of time. Did you see the math? That's a decent chunk of a person's life spent, chasing an item on a video game, whether it's easy or not, AFK or not.

Like I believe I said before, it'd take me a few months to get that much, even slightly committing to it. I say slightly, because, well, to be honest, my basing/pking days are behind me. It's just not that appealing to me anymore. Also, I just don't have that many hours to pour into the game on a daily basis, real life obligations, and, really, I have other things I'd rather do with my free time.. both on Graal as well as elsewhere.

So, for someone like me, yeah, that melee better be the bee's knees. No worries though, as I doubt I'll ever see that many GP. But, who knows, maybe someone, some thing will come along and reignite that spark, fuel the bloodlust?

Yeah, I've seen and, no offense, but those people either no-lifed or, much like I'd have to, inched their way to it over the course of a couplefew months.

I get where you're coming from, I do. Being killed by those suckers has left a salty taste in my mouth too, it has. "How the f*** did they kill me so fast?" But, then, I think about how much time they spent on it, and say, well.. I guess.

Now, a slight nerf may be in order, but I think they maintain the right to be a little OP, just a bit.

Then I'd say increase to 100 HP, as well as gun damage, leaving the melees with the same damage.

Would be nice to test it out, might hop on for once if it's tested.

I can't say I see any wrong in what you've said, Slick. I agree completely. Though, I wish I could add to it a bit, as you seemed to have poured a lot of yourself into that response. But, I think you got a little more than the jist of it there. XD

I will say that you're right, falling in line with the question I posed before, what are they to do about it now? Like I implied and as you said, the game's too far along. They'd have to go in and tweak every single weapon, differentiating between not only the gaps based on, like you said, different styles of play, but also, for lack of better wording, price gaps.

I imagine that'd be quite the task, though, admittedly, I don't know crap about any of what goes into all that. Safe assumption though? More than that, I get the feeling a lot of players would be upset by it. A case of not what's wanted, at least not by all, but what is needed. Shame.

Ha, one more thing, you mentioned that it's all created an environment where the bridge between pros and noobs ever shrinks, right? On top of that, it's also made Era somewhat of an annoying place to live, at times. Some days, I just want to roam the streets without having to wave through a sea of bullets. I just want to chill, guys. I get that pking is part of the game, a huge part, but.. jeez.

Anyway.. thanks again. Very appreciated response.

Please do test it, if that we could have a server vote to see if we want to add the 100 hp and damage or not add it. I think that would be kind of fair, what do the players want???

Screw it. I don't even pk that much.

I'm just tempted to vote nay, because I'm weird about change, when it comes to certain Graal things. It's always been 50 HP. 100 would feel off to me.

Oh well.

The funny thing about this is that they forget we also get a bigger variety in weapons as there are more combinations to work with. I'd love to see it as a real update to olwest

True, but this is kinda another way for people to get hs like items in the game. Especially since some of us aren't able to win events.

Can't we just riot for 100 HP? I'm pretty sure a majority of users agree that it would be nice.

key word

Majority

And i agree with optimus staff always talking about how we wanna be different than classic or zone or era, increased heatlh and damage would raise the player count most likely and it would also bring us to a whole new level on being a different game.

And yeah the Majority of players on west want it so do what the players want

To finalize this i would have a Poll and vote. Whichever one wins is the final decision. And if no wins... We still do it :)

NOW PL0X

This will also shut people up about event items for a while since we can have more variety in stats and this way it's even easier to introduce hp healing items and weapons etc

Lmao it's true though. Never stick to the theme. Way to many non Ol' Western staves on West. Shiz does the same design over and over.

Wot.

Why does HS have to be the best mischief?
I can understand that it is kinda easy earning gp and people do afk for it but this could be fixed easily by setting a timer that every 15-20 minutes players get warped to out of base to wear they would spawn if died (except battle fort would spawn them outside) also I know gp is giving at all times of day unlike hs but you gotta remember 20k gp is longer then it sounds during the school year, hell I'm lucky to get 200 gp a day now, Also a way to fix the the problem with hs not being obtainable all day is that players should have a option that says what time next events will come on. Would cause deputy's to be more "Organized" big word I know but this could help players who do events not have to try to waste time waiting for the next events to happen and so players will not miss events without knowing they are missing them it won't exactly fix the hs not being available always problem but it'll make players have more of a chance on getting hs.

Also if update comes back it may be harder to pk but overall make the game more enjoyable in my opinion.

Genetic engineering obviously that's showing a dinosaur they bring back to life by cloning hell we've cloned a goat before why not in the future dinosaurs ;)

They won't and it's why I left Ol'West. What's the fun if your trying to use guns and everyone rushes at you with melees? At least change the hitbox with the melees. Make it slower? Reduce dmg? Something needs to be done. If HP is buffed then do what Shiz said. Buff the guns damage and keep melee damage same. Leave the melee fighting to Classic. I wanna see some good old Western gunplay.

**** u graal suck the jobs sucks a lot

Tbh I don't really care, cause any real gun fighter realizes that staffs can't stand it when someone knows how to use their gun, the run and gun strategy! I absolutely love when lui comes to one of my bases to PK cause it's back and forth, he's the only good staff user I know that can counter me...

Next, as mischeif mentioned it's not going to change anything about PKING at all, the only people staffs are PKING are a bunch of afk/checking the menu/sleeping at bases noobs! Those same people are still going to die if they have 100 hp and those people who actually pay attention aren't going to die, so now your thinking well isn't that unfair? Well you have 100 hp aswell! Just like if you had 50... If you wanna get a player count up by adding 50 hp to everyone knock yourselves out... Anyone with an era mentality knows not to afk in a PK area and there is no sleeping in bases (maybe gangster zone but that's a different story)

Finally, I will admit 500 hp flags going down with the damage wouldn't be bad and that I admit would make basing fun, although some may not like that because of the damage:speed ratios, but it can be tested

I wish they can ****ing fix the jobs the jobs sucks they need new jobs

I'm guessing your new to graal servers socim just going to be honest with you that the jobs on Ol West is best job idea any server has had easiest server to make money once you take a week or two to level up.

Niggga I have school and **** how will I get all my money and **** and the job is *** and I am busy at school and doing homework and its will take me 4week to get my patch and to level up to the higher level and those job is ****ing dumb we need job that dont have ro fking buy *** and wasted your money does like buying pick axe and axe and fishing pole and buy some ****ing seed for owr fram like really we need new job for reall man

Yes, its true that the jobs take about 50-80% of the money we earn when we buy a new Axe, pickaxe, etc. But its gets more rewarding when we get to a higher level. Also majority of us have school which means that majority of us can't even play the game that we enjoy. Making a new job is a great idea but the question is....what would it be and what are we going to be doing in this job.

I'm not quite sure but I'm assuming that if crafting ever opens, we should be able to make/craft our own tools.

That **** is dumb

craft our own tools and spend 2x more money than tools from shop cost

All the job on olwest sucks