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Fysez 12-22-2015 11:52 PM

Heeellllooooo everyoneeee!

I work as a telephone surveyor and one of our many questions to ask people over the phone is.. "In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the United States at this time?"
For the few months I've worked here, I have yet to hear one person say "satisfied."

What would you answer?
Why?

Keep in mind that I am required 20+ hours a week of work, and required 60+ dials/hour (or a minimum of 6 completed surveys per hour) so in the few months I've worked here and no one saying satisfied, that's quite a bit of people.

5hift 12-22-2015 11:54 PM

Well lets be real here.

Right now everyone should be happy they're even alive considering all the **** that's going on in the world.

But despite that I can understand the trouble some people are having and they have every right to voice their complaints.

No place is perfect and really, everyone just wants their lives to get better.

Neil 12-23-2015 12:19 AM

Sounds like A **** JOB

MrSimons 12-23-2015 12:22 AM

I am totally satisfied with the US. Is there some stuff that bothers me about it? Yes, but nothing bad enough that makes me unhappy living here. I'd rather live in the States than any other country in the world.

However I am a white, straight, middle class, law abiding, christian male. So there is a huge bias here.

Ivy 12-23-2015 12:37 AM

I am pretty unsatisfied for a multitude of reasons. Number one being that someone so psychotic/sociopathic is allowed to run for president. This person is also extremely racist, xenophobic, mysogonistic, islamophobic, and homophobic.
There's actually a lot of racism in America in general, but I could list things for days.
Another reason is the exceedingly high amount of stupid people in this country.
Overall, I give it a -5/7.
However, I am a mixed, bisexual, middle class, law abiding, athiest female. So there is a huge bias here.

Albie 12-23-2015 12:41 AM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 648476)
I am pretty unsatisfied for a multitude of reasons. Number one being that someone so psychotic/sociopathic is allowed to run for president. This person is also extremely racist, xenophobic, mysogonistic, islamophobic, and homophobic.
There's actually a lot of racism in America in general, but I could list things for days.
Another reason is the exceedingly high amount of stupid people in this country.
Overall, I give it a -5/7.
However, I am a mixed, bisexual, middle class, law abiding, athiest female. So there is a huge bias here.

Trump is just one guy. And it's not guaranteed he'll become president.
Why do people make such a fuss

Ivy 12-23-2015 12:43 AM

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Posted by Albie (Post 648480)
Trump is just one guy. And it's not guaranteed he'll become president.
Why do people make such a fuss

BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY VOTING FOR HIM

Fysez 12-23-2015 01:03 AM

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Posted by NM (Post 648456)
Sounds like A **** JOB

Being that I get paid $13/hr to basically tap enter on a keyboard for a few hours a day, plus extra $$ for surveys over quota, I'm quite happy with it.
I make my own schedule, too :3

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 648464)
I am totally satisfied with the US. Is there some stuff that bothers me about it? Yes, but nothing bad enough that makes me unhappy living here. I'd rather live in the States than any other country in the world.

However I am a white, straight, middle class, law abiding, christian male. So there is a huge bias here.

I'm a white, gay, middle class, non-law abiding, atheist male and I feel the same way

Ryan 12-23-2015 01:05 AM

There are people that actaully want to vote for Donald Trump.

Thallen 12-23-2015 01:15 AM

I don't have many complaints, although I do think it's time we caught up to speed with the rest of the world on health care policies and had more affordable college admission. Politically, I'd like to be putting ourselves first more when it comes to foreign affairs. If it does not serve the interest of our country in one way or another, we don't need to inherit the full responsibility.

The only country I'd rather be in is Canada, so I'm fine.

Mangsi 12-23-2015 01:32 AM

I don't feel safe in my own country. Sure, I'm white, and law abiding, but I'm also transgender, bisexual, and we've just barely gotten gay rights. And think of all the LGBT murders in the US alone. I can't feel safe being myself knowing that they're doing little to nothing to stop hate crimes here. What if a republican gets voted in? And all of us minorities get our rights taken away because of right wing views? I'm no Christian, I don't believe in god, I've already been kicked out of a Christian school because I'm transgender, and no republican will be on my side. How can I be happy with these things alone happening here.

The Doctor 12-23-2015 01:33 AM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 648476)
I am pretty unsatisfied for a multitude of reasons. Number one being that someone so psychotic/sociopathic is allowed to run for president. This person is also extremely racist, xenophobic, mysogonistic, islamophobic, and homophobic.
There's actually a lot of racism in America in general, but I could list things for days.
Another reason is the exceedingly high amount of stupid people in this country.
Overall, I give it a -5/7.
However, I am a mixed, bisexual, middle class, law abiding, athiest female. So there is a huge bias here.

Everyone should be allowed to run for president, regardless of their views. If the majority of American voters do not like the candidate, chances are that the electoral college will weed out the primary.

As for my satisfaction, I'm pretty happy right now. As long as the government continues to do what voters want it to do, I'm happy.

Skyzer 12-23-2015 03:02 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 648500)
I don't have many complaints, although I do think it's time we caught up to speed with the rest of the world on health care policies and had more affordable college admission. Politically, I'd like to be putting ourselves first more when it comes to foreign affairs. If it does not serve the interest of our country in one way or another, we don't need to inherit the full responsibility.

The only country I'd rather be in is Canada, so I'm fine.

I'm pretty much the same in regard to how I feel about the US.

Ivy 12-23-2015 03:03 AM

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Posted by The Doctor (Post 648507)
Everyone should be allowed to run for president, regardless of their views. If the majority of American voters do not like the candidate, chances are that the electoral college will weed out the primary.

As for my satisfaction, I'm pretty happy right now. As long as the government continues to do what voters want it to do, I'm happy.

Can we resurrect adolf hitler so he can run alongside his brother?

Basi 12-23-2015 03:12 AM

>not making a poll



reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Skyzer 12-23-2015 03:17 AM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 648545)
Can we resurrect adolf hitler so he can run with his brother?

First need to find Hitler's remains. :^)

Coco 12-23-2015 03:18 AM

I think I've said this in 2 other threads already heh heh...

If I could afford to leave the country, I would. I don't like where it's going and I don't believe it's ever going to change imo. So no I'm not satisfied with the US right now :(

Basically you have to be lucky to have a decent life here. Unless you have rich parents that pay for your college, you're screwed. Sure there's scholarships, but some of us aren't so great at getting those. It sucks that you basically have to have a degree to be able to get paid enough to live here. You can be extremely good at something that you taught yourself all on your own throughout years of practice and you wouldn't get squat for it since you don't have the degree to prove that you know what you'r doing. So you're choices are to either get a loan and be in debt the rest of your life, or struggle with bills and owning nice things due to the fact that you don't get paid enough because you don't have a degree. Either way, you're struggling unless you're just born into a rich family.

Not to mention if you get hurt somehow and your insurance doesn't cover something, the hospital bills put you in debt. You can never be too sure of something like that happening.

We have flawed systems that everyone thinks is normal and stuff we have to deal with forever, which we will because nothing will ever be done about it.

Skyzer 12-23-2015 03:21 AM

tbh I don't really care enough to be dissatisfied.

MrSimons 12-23-2015 04:44 AM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 648481)
BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY VOTING FOR HIM

No one has voted for him actually.

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Posted by Mangsi (Post 648506)
I don't feel safe in my own country. Sure, I'm white, and law abiding, but I'm also transgender, bisexual, and we've just barely gotten gay rights. And think of all the LGBT murders in the US alone. I can't feel safe being myself knowing that they're doing little to nothing to stop hate crimes here. What if a republican gets voted in? And all of us minorities get our rights taken away because of right wing views? I'm no Christian, I don't believe in god, I've already been kicked out of a Christian school because I'm transgender, and no republican will be on my side. How can I be happy with these things alone happening here.

Right now it is becoming increasingly unlikely for a republican to get elected, with the rising minority population in the US. Not only that but with the way things are going it is becoming less likely for you to lose rights, the president doesn't have nearly as much power as people make out. If someone like Trump got elected he would quickly realize he can't do any of the stuff he is talking so loudly about. If I were you I would worry more about who is representing you in congress.

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Posted by Coco (Post 648553)
Basically you have to be lucky to have a decent life here. Unless you have rich parents that pay for your college, you're screwed. Sure there's scholarships, but some of us aren't so great at getting those. It sucks that you basically have to have a degree to be able to get paid enough to live here. You can be extremely good at something that you taught yourself all on your own throughout years of practice and you wouldn't get squat for it since you don't have the degree to prove that you know what you'r doing. So you're choices are to either get a loan and be in debt the rest of your life, or struggle with bills and owning nice things due to the fact that you don't get paid enough because you don't have a degree. Either way, you're struggling unless you're just born into a rich family.

A few of my problems with this are

1. College isn't a right, you don't need to go and you can do well without going. My high school had mandatory senior advisement classes that taught kids about opportunities outside of University, which I think all public schools should be doing.

2. "Sure there's scholarships, but some of us aren't so great at getting those.", coming from someone who probably spent most of their highschool career working for an online game and making art, that isn't really surprising. Not judging or anything, because your work obviously paid off in that respect, but if you are focussing on working towards scholarships, you're probably gonna end up with them.

Other than that I totally agree with you.

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Posted by Coco (Post 648553)
Not to mention if you get hurt somehow and your insurance doesn't cover something, the hospital bills put you in debt. You can never be too sure of something like that happening.

I tried explaining this to my dad when I went to see him for Thanksgiving and it drives me insane that he couldn't understand this. Can't understand how wanting to be able to go to the doctor without suffering crippling debt is some form of laziness or entitlement.

Elk 12-23-2015 05:12 AM

Hello im 50% Atlantian and 50% Lemurian, what can i say!

Zetectic 12-23-2015 05:40 AM

very dissatisfied. i want to compare US to South Korea, cause that's what I know.
  • South Korea is 10x better place to live in if you are asian and citizen of SK.
  • if u are a male in SK u gotta serve in the army for 2 years when u turn 18.
  • it's hard to do whatever u want in there since everyone is heavily influenced by anything and they forces u to become something they want and if u wanna be 'accepted' in the society, u gotta at least undergraduate a college. if u are like high school drop out they consider u as a peasant.
  • they give you free education to HS. free citizen health care, very low medicine fees or hospital fees. low taxes. things like houses (cus country is small), cars and meat(any type) are expensive though.
  • aside of reality, there's a lot of entertaining places-, no need for cars every store you will ever need is in an mile range, cheap chinese stuff, all kinds of foods u can never taste in America, lines and lines of apartments in the city.

whatever bs that america is going through.
  • US taxes are outrageous, living is pretty difficult for middle class to survive.
  • a lot of things are messed up. cops, racism etc these are something u can't experience in SK[1].
  • rich people in US are insanely rich, a girl in my class, their parent owns a gigantic golf club and it's not only her, some kids already drive mercedes, audi and crap. they are mostly sons and daughters of some middle to giant corps.
  • then we drive 40 min to the south, there's the bronx. where ppl pay fake bills all the time, gun shooting almost every week, drugs everywhere, a lot of illegal immigrants and all low paying jobs. the gaps between rich and poor is crazy.
  • aside of reality, in term of size, this country is freaking massive u defo need a car, arts and stuff are very creative and crazy. very different from SK. enormous houses and yards. i mean goddamn why even go outside...
[1] in SK, cops don't have a gun and mostly middle aged men. racism doesn't exist, but they discriminate depends on ur physical appearance/beauty.(90%)
[2] both countries have huge politic corruptions and internal government flaws.
[3] SK is constantly dealing problems with Japan, NK and China. Mostly with Sea borderlines.

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Posted by Ivy (Post 648476)
I am middle class

I call this BS.

Skill 12-23-2015 05:54 AM

Good enough.

America has it's share of problems, but nothings perfect. It's good enough for me.

MrSimons 12-23-2015 05:59 AM

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 648616)
[1] in SK, cops don't have a gun

cops not carrying proves to be very effective.

Fysez 12-23-2015 07:48 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 648623)

Damn

Coco 12-23-2015 07:53 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 648585)
1. College isn't a right, you don't need to go and you can do well without going. My high school had mandatory senior advisement classes that taught kids about opportunities outside of University, which I think all public schools should be doing.

I wish I had that class. Sure college isn't a right, but they sure make it hard to make a living without it.

Latte 12-23-2015 08:15 AM

I'm pretty satisfied. Sure, our political system is a mess... I disagree with the party system, and I disagree with corporations funding politics. And even when I compare the US to other places in the world, the US is definitely behind in some areas.

For example, we need better systems for healthcare and education-- but nobody wants to fund it with higher taxes, or a different government budget. Not only can nobody agree on anything, but no definitive action is being taken. There has been extra money going into education lately, but it didn't improve teacher salaries very much, which is one of the huge concerns for American education. Thus, the money has been going into temporary things, like technology.

America hasn't taken many firm stances lately. Donald Trump is the opposite, which is why people want him. He is confident about what he wants to do. American politics lacks that confidence. I'm afraid that Trump will win because of our political climate. He is literally the embodiment of my political nightmare.

Even then, I'm fine with the US. Our country has been through a lot. Trump is the least of the obstacles we've encountered. I think the upcoming election will be especially crutial to American politics (with the delicate turning point we're in), but it won't destroy our central beliefs either way. Trump would just get himself impeached if he tried to do something outrageous.

Skill 12-23-2015 08:31 AM

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Posted by Latte (Post 648657)
There has been extra money going into education lately, but it didn't improve teacher salaries very much, which is one of the huge concerns for American education.

Teachers get paid far more than enough. The job market for teachers is far too competitive as is, its very difficult to find a job as one. We have no shortage of teachers, raising their pay would result in an even worse surplus of teachers due to making it a more desirable job market to pursue.

Too high of a salary will actually make the quality of teachers WORSE, because you'll have people taking on the job because it pays well rather than because they like teaching children. By making it a decent wage, but not high, the people that become teachers do it because they are passionate about it, not because they're chasing the highest paying job market.

Also, teachers get far better benefits than most full time employees in the form of pensions and whatnot. The problem with a lot of people is that when they look at employee compensation, all they look at is the raw cash salary, but they don't look at other things like quality of insurance, matching a 401k, etc.


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Posted by Latte (Post 648657)
Trump would just get himself impeached if he tried to do something outrageous.


You can only be impeached if you break the law or lie under oath. Just because he does something you or even most people disagree with doesn't mean he could be impeached.

kenthefruit 12-23-2015 10:15 AM

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Posted by Skill (Post 648659)
You can only be impeached if you break the law or lie under oath. Just because he does something you or even most people disagree with doesn't mean he could be impeached.

http://www.heritage.org/constitution...or-impeachment

Basically it's very controversial what can be considered an impeachable act. If the president does something "bad" and a majority vote of the House of Representatives is brought to impeach them, then the action is called upon the Senate. If two thirds of the Senate votes to impeach him, then that's that.

some ideas of impeachable acts:

"high Crimes and Misdemeanors;
treason and bribery
other criminal or even noncriminal behavior amounting to a serious dereliction of duty"

Mio 12-23-2015 10:28 AM

Im not satisfied.

Mixed, Lesbian, High Class, Atheist female. thx.

Crono 12-23-2015 10:36 AM

if you have money america is the ****ing ****. jackpot would be if you find a place that doesn't whip their IT crew like slaves.

Ivy 12-23-2015 11:39 AM

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 648616)
I call this BS.

Why?

Eugeen 12-23-2015 12:43 PM

I have never been satisfied with the US, oh wait I don't even live there

Zetectic 12-23-2015 03:25 PM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 648623)

haha lmfao.

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Posted by Ivy (Post 648688)
I am upper class

:)^^

Ivy 12-23-2015 04:45 PM

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 648845)
haha lmfao.



:)^^

I'm like middle upper class, but upper class is really pushing it :rolleyes:

I live very comfortably. This is because my mom works hard to provide things for us <3
I was spoiled by both of my parents as a kid though tbh.

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 648623)

Got some weird looks earlier watching this in class lol

TomatoPanda 12-23-2015 05:01 PM

I think its funny how everyone makes fun of trump and not Cruz when cruz wants to make schools teach the bible again and not allow people to be gay (look up some info on the people who sponser him you'll be shocked which is why I have to go with trump ATM)

Conquest 12-23-2015 05:37 PM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 648476)
I am pretty unsatisfied for a multitude of reasons. Number one being that someone so psychotic/sociopathic is allowed to run for president. This person is also extremely racist, xenophobic, mysogonistic, islamophobic, and homophobic.
There's actually a lot of racism in America in general, but I could list things for days.
Another reason is the exceedingly high amount of stupid people in this country.
Overall, I give it a -5/7.
However, I am a mixed, bisexual, middle class, law abiding, athiest female. So there is a huge bias here.

If we are to look at the negative; I'll agree with a large part of this; and also how prostitutes are being worshipped in the media as "glamorous, beautiful people" and their fake marriages. Similarly, more common prostitutes running around using each other for resources and comfort, lying to people to rape them by fraud, constantly trying to arouse people, spreading drugs to replace affection, calling their spouts of year-long whoring "monogamy", people having abortions, men running around on their women and abandoning them, people obsessed with money & looks, popularity contests, spiritual & secular wars, racial wars, theft being called a score, greed being glorified as success, superficial beauty, brainwashing through marketing giving people endless amounts of insecurity and offering them dangerous services & products, encouraging degradation. The list goes on and on.

The politics at current are completely bribed campaigns of dirtbags, because the masses look to cheap media outlets for popular opinions & candidates.

This country is going to hell in a hand-basket if people won't wakeup and start asking why Miley Cyrus is swinging naked on a recking ball on Vh1 licking a hammer, why Trump is speaking like Hitler, government approved radio waves are a revolving cast of hypersexualized erotic dancers, young girls have bulimia and nose jobs. A very high percentage likes to scapegoat the loving traditions in other countries for this free-for-all, soulless nightmare as being "trash that needs wiped off the face of this planet"—then wonder why everyone's saying the same about us.

The Doctor 12-23-2015 05:45 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 648679)
if you have money america is the ****ing ****. jackpot would be if you find a place that doesn't whip their IT crew like slaves.

http://www.clickypix.com/wp-content/...rowd-2-500.gif

MrSimons 12-23-2015 06:29 PM

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Posted by Skill (Post 648659)
Teachers get paid far more than enough. The job market for teachers is far too competitive as is, its very difficult to find a job as one. We have no shortage of teachers, raising their pay would result in an even worse surplus of teachers due to making it a more desirable job market to pursue.

Too high of a salary will actually make the quality of teachers WORSE, because you'll have people taking on the job because it pays well rather than because they like teaching children. By making it a decent wage, but not high, the people that become teachers do it because they are passionate about it, not because they're chasing the highest paying job market.

Also, teachers get far better benefits than most full time employees in the form of pensions and whatnot. The problem with a lot of people is that when they look at employee compensation, all they look at is the raw cash salary, but they don't look at other things like quality of insurance, matching a 401k, etc.

You are joking right? I live in Arizona, where we put the least amount of money into education in the entire nation. I've had highschool teachers that are having to work a second job on top of teaching, or will be paying off student loans still when they are 45. One of my teachers that I talked to was netting a fat 26,000 a year.

More money could definitely be put into teacher salaries without seeing a sharp decline in quality teachers, we'd probably get people who want to be teachers, but wouldn't prior because they didn't want to have to worry about money the rest of their life.

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Posted by TomatoPanda (Post 648947)
I think its funny how everyone makes fun of trump and not Cruz when cruz wants to make schools teach the bible again and not allow people to be gay (look up some info on the people who sponser him you'll be shocked which is why I have to go with trump ATM)

Not nearly as ridiculous as what Trump says, thats casual southern talk. Obama wasn't totally in support of gay marriage either much prior to Obergefell v. Hodges. Politicians change their walk real fast when the pressure is on them.

Fysez 12-23-2015 06:34 PM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 649045)
You are joking right? I live in Arizona, where we put the least amount of money into education in the entire nation. I've had highschool teachers that are having to work a second job on top of teaching, or will be paying off student loans still when they are 45. One of my teachers that I talked to was netting a fat 26,000 a year.

More money could definitely be put into teacher salaries without seeing a sharp decline in quality teachers, we'd probably get people who want to be teachers, but wouldn't prior because they didn't want to have to worry about money the rest of their life.

This.
I think I'd have chosen a career choice in that of an IT highschool teacher if the income wasn't so ****ty.
I really like teaching to code, but it isn't worth it if I can make double to triple that of a teacher if I just code on my own

Xenthic 12-23-2015 06:38 PM

I'm not American but do any of you guys worry about an economic collapse and the effects that could happen?

Latte 12-23-2015 06:42 PM

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Posted by Skill (Post 648659)
Teachers get paid far more than enough. The job market for teachers is far too competitive as is, its very difficult to find a job as one. We have no shortage of teachers, raising their pay would result in an even worse surplus of teachers due to making it a more desirable job market to pursue.

Too high of a salary will actually make the quality of teachers WORSE, because you'll have people taking on the job because it pays well rather than because they like teaching children. By making it a decent wage, but not high, the people that become teachers do it because they are passionate about it, not because they're chasing the highest paying job market.

Also, teachers get far better benefits than most full time employees in the form of pensions and whatnot. The problem with a lot of people is that when they look at employee compensation, all they look at is the raw cash salary, but they don't look at other things like quality of insurance, matching a 401k, etc.





You can only be impeached if you break the law or lie under oath. Just because he does something you or even most people disagree with doesn't mean he could be impeached.

Uhh? I don't know where you live, but salary is a huge problem for teachers. Mostly because its a vicious trap-- it requires college degrees, then the salary cannot pay for student debts. This may not be always the case in colleges, but most definitely in public schools. The benefits are not nearly where they need to be to improve US's education to catch up with the rest of the world. It's not hard to find a teacher. It's hard to find good ones.

As for Trump, he's no stranger to the court. He has a long list of legal issues in the past. While saying disagreeable things won't get him impeached, trying to act on them without approval of Congress-- aka both parties-- will get him impeached. Which is why I think most of what he's saying won't happen, unless he does something outrageous. Maybe he'll find some legal loophole that allows him to put muslims in camps during wartime.

MrSimons 12-23-2015 07:29 PM

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Posted by Xenthic (Post 649055)
I'm not American but do any of you guys worry about an economic collapse and the effects that could happen?

If you are referring to the American economy, do you have any reason we should?

Ivy 12-23-2015 07:33 PM

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Posted by Conquest (Post 648980)
If we are to look at the negative; I'll agree with a large part of this; and also how prostitutes are being worshipped in the media as "glamorous, beautiful people" and their fake marriages. Similarly, more common prostitutes running around using each other for resources and comfort, lying to people to rape them by fraud, constantly trying to arouse people, spreading drugs to replace affection, calling their spouts of year-long whoring "monogamy", people having abortions, men running around on their women and abandoning them, people obsessed with money & looks, popularity contests, spiritual & secular wars, racial wars, theft being called a score, greed being glorified as success, superficial beauty, brainwashing through marketing giving people endless amounts of insecurity and offering them dangerous services & products, encouraging degradation. The list goes on and on.

The politics at current are completely bribed campaigns of dirtbags, because the masses look to cheap media outlets for popular opinions & candidates.

This country is going to hell in a hand-basket if people won't wakeup and start asking why Miley Cyrus is swinging naked on a recking ball on Vh1 licking a hammer, why Trump is speaking like Hitler, government approved radio waves are a revolving cast of hypersexualized erotic dancers, young girls have bulimia and nose jobs. A very high percentage likes to scapegoat the loving traditions in other countries for this free-for-all, soulless nightmare as being "trash that needs wiped off the face of this planet"—then wonder why everyone's saying the same about us.

Abortions aren't a problem at all in society.
First of all, not everyone is suited for children (like me, for example, but I'm getting my tubes tied the first chance I get :))

Second, kids are ****ing expensive. Not to mention they're an 18 (or more) year long burden.

Additionally, There's already more than enough kids in the system that may never be adopted, and adopting a child is a long and difficult process, especially for POC (people of color).

Oh, and let's not forget victims of sexual assault. They should never have to have that burden, and what about the children who will never meet their fathers? How would you feel if you found out you were conceived from rape?

MrSimons 12-23-2015 07:39 PM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 649092)
Second, kids are ****ing expensive. Not to mention this is an 18 year long burden.

No, they are a lifelong burden. I understand you don't want kids but anyone who thinks of a child as something that is no longer your burden when they turn 18 should definitely not be a parent.

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Posted by Ivy (Post 649092)
(like me, for example, but I'm getting my tubes tied the first chance I get :))

also gl, many doctors aren't willing to perform operations like that on younger people, especially not females.

Mangsi 12-23-2015 07:41 PM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 649092)
Abortions aren't a problem at all in society.
First of all, not everyone is suited for children (like me, for example, but I'm getting my tubes tied the first chance I get :))

Second, kids are ****ing expensive. Not to mention they're an 18 (or more) year long burden.

Additionally, There's already more than enough kids in the system that may never be adopted, and adopting a child is a long and difficult process, especially for POC (people of color).

Oh, and let's not forget victims of sexual assault. They should never have to have that burden, and what about the children who will never meet their fathers? How would you feel if you found out you were conceived from rape?

This is so true, most spread rep.

Ivy 12-23-2015 07:41 PM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 649098)
No, they are a lifelong burden. I understand you don't want kids but anyone who thinks of a child as something that is no longer your burden when they turn 18 should definitely not be a parent.

You have made my point even stronger. :blush:

Mangsi 12-23-2015 08:04 PM

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Posted by Conquest (Post 648980)
If we are to look at the negative; I'll agree with a large part of this; and also how prostitutes are being worshipped in the media as "glamorous, beautiful people" and their fake marriages. Similarly, more common prostitutes running around using each other for resources and comfort, lying to people to rape them by fraud, constantly trying to arouse people, spreading drugs to replace affection, calling their spouts of year-long whoring "monogamy", people having abortions, men running around on their women and abandoning them, people obsessed with money & looks, popularity contests, spiritual & secular wars, racial wars, theft being called a score, greed being glorified as success, superficial beauty, brainwashing through marketing giving people endless amounts of insecurity and offering them dangerous services & products, encouraging degradation. The list goes on and on.

The politics at current are completely bribed campaigns of dirtbags, because the masses look to cheap media outlets for popular opinions & candidates.

This country is going to hell in a hand-basket if people won't wakeup and start asking why Miley Cyrus is swinging naked on a recking ball on Vh1 licking a hammer, why Trump is speaking like Hitler, government approved radio waves are a revolving cast of hypersexualized erotic dancers, young girls have bulimia and nose jobs. A very high percentage likes to scapegoat the loving traditions in other countries for this free-for-all, soulless nightmare as being "trash that needs wiped off the face of this planet"—then wonder why everyone's saying the same about us.

Lots of people have to go into sex work because they have no other way of earning a living. Take the lgbt community for example, a lot of trans women only have sex work to pay for their lives/transitions because of discrimination, this goes the same for people of color and other minorities. I'm not saying prostitution is s good thing, but this is the only way for some people to get by.
Now, if more anti-discrimination laws were put into affect, or if more people were open minded, I imagine there would be a lot less sex workers in the US.
This is my own opinion, I don't speak for anyone else.

Yes, I mention the LGBT community again because this is a personal issue for me.

MrSimons 12-23-2015 08:09 PM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 649104)
You have made my point even stronger. :blush:

Wasn't disagreeing with your main point :p.

Mizochi 12-23-2015 08:39 PM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 649092)
Abortions aren't a problem at all in society.
First of all, not everyone is suited for children (like me, for example, but I'm getting my tubes tied the first chance I get :))

Second, kids are ****ing expensive. Not to mention they're an 18 (or more) year long burden.

Additionally, There's already more than enough kids in the system that may never be adopted, and adopting a child is a long and difficult process, especially for POC (people of color).

Oh, and let's not forget victims of sexual assault. They should never have to have that burden, and what about the children who will never meet their fathers? How would you feel if you found out you were conceived from rape?

+rep nice to see someone else on the same page as me

Crono 12-23-2015 08:42 PM

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Posted by Ivy (Post 649092)
Abortions aren't a problem at all in society.
First of all, not everyone is suited for children (like me, for example, but I'm getting my tubes tied the first chance I get :))

Second, kids are ****ing expensive. Not to mention they're an 18 (or more) year long burden.

Additionally, There's already more than enough kids in the system that may never be adopted, and adopting a child is a long and difficult process, especially for POC (people of color).

Oh, and let's not forget victims of sexual assault. They should never have to have that burden, and what about the children who will never meet their fathers? How would you feel if you found out you were conceived from rape?

ivy taking on antago, this will be a good one


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