Graalians

Graalians (https://www.graalians.com/forums/index.php)
-   Off-Topic Chat (https://www.graalians.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14)
-   -   Marijuana Legalization - For it or against it? (https://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34765)

GotenGraal 03-15-2016 07:11 PM

Marijuana Legalization - For it or against it?
 
Let's get a debate going boys

Ark 03-15-2016 07:13 PM

Definitely pro-legalization

Mangsi 03-15-2016 07:16 PM

All for it.

my mom said when it's legal and I'm old enough I can do pot c:

Sir 03-15-2016 07:32 PM

already legal here, so sure.

Nanner 03-15-2016 07:37 PM

Doesn't matter. I'll smoke it either way ;D

GenoIndeed 03-15-2016 07:56 PM

I'm on both sides with good reasons, but overall i think it should be legal, just with restrictions tho, like an age limit, not being allowed to drive high, or go to work high. I highly support it due to it being what i think is the number 1 cause of arrests, which is stupid, why arrest someone over a measly gram of weed when a citation is enough? Alcohol is far worse and thats legal. And for medical and economic purposes, it does wonders, it can cure a lot of sicknesses, and hemp makes good material. I say legalize it but be smart with it.

5hift 03-15-2016 08:05 PM

As long as you don't give it to annoying kids. I'm all for it.

GotenGraal 03-15-2016 08:22 PM

Quote:

Posted by GenoIndeed (Post 684850)
I'm on both sides with good reasons, but overall i think it should be legal, just with restrictions tho, like an age limit, not being allowed to drive high, or go to work high. I highly support it due to it being what i think is the number 1 cause of arrests, which is stupid, why arrest someone over a measly gram of weed when a citation is enough? Alcohol is far worse and thats legal. And for medical and economic purposes, it does wonders, it can cure a lot of sicknesses, and hemp makes good material. I say legalize it but be smart with it.

Exactly. It blows my mind what people say marijuana does to your body. Obviously inhaling any kind of smoke to your lungs isn't healthy, but, cigarettes and alcohol are both legal which are far worse for you. Marijuana is classified in the same category of drugs as heroin, which is just ridiculous. You can't overdose on it and it is not an addicting drug. If it gets legalized, it'll save like 600,000 arrests every year. This is one of the few things I agree with Sanders on; it just makes sense.

As you were saying, I totally agree it should be legalized with restrictions. It should just be treated the same way as alcohol.

Fulgore 03-15-2016 08:33 PM

In favor of

MikvaGraal 03-15-2016 08:37 PM

Marajan should b ligal, I hav been doin pot for 6 year n there's nothig wrong with me...

TWIZ 03-15-2016 08:49 PM

In the future McDonald's is gonna have a value pot menu

Kieran2820 03-15-2016 08:56 PM

Keep it illegal. Drugs should be used for medical use only. Don't need anymore druggies than there already are.
Either way, people will still smoke it anyway...

Jent 03-15-2016 09:37 PM

Legalize it.

Quote:

Posted by TWIZ (Post 684894)
In the future McDonald's is gonna have a value pot menu

They'll be selling artificial weed.

Nanner 03-15-2016 09:39 PM

Quote:

Posted by Jent (Post 684913)
Legalize it.


They'll be selling artificial weed.

You mean K2

Distorted_P2P 03-15-2016 11:23 PM

Quote:

Posted by 5hift (Post 684856)
As long as you don't give it to annoying kids. I'm all for it.

I think you SHOULD give it to annoying kids

Mellow them out

Quote:

Posted by Its_Nanner (Post 684915)
You mean K2

More like Oregano

Quote:

Posted by Kieran2820 (Post 684896)
Keep it illegal. Drugs should be used for medical use only. Don't need anymore druggies than there already are.
Either way, people will still smoke it anyway...

"Druggies"

Do some research ****head

Yog 03-15-2016 11:23 PM

Quote:

Posted by TWIZ (Post 684894)
In the future McDonald's is gonna have a value pot menu

Holy **** I want weednuggets

Distorted_P2P 03-15-2016 11:23 PM

Quote:

Posted by MikvaGraal (Post 684884)
Marajan should b ligal, I hav been doin pot for 6 year n there's nothig wrong with me...

There's a LOT wrong with you

Not marijuana's fault though

Yog 03-15-2016 11:24 PM

Quote:

Posted by Distorted_P2P (Post 684939)
There's a LOT wrong with you

Not marijuana's fault though

m8 I think that's the joke

Distorted_P2P 03-15-2016 11:26 PM

But in all seriousness all for legalization, so many benefits. Good for material (Although I'm sure it will never be used for material) good for the economy, good for the money we spend on drugs, will help with the suicide rate, less overcrowding in jails. I don't see any reasons for it to be legalized anymore, besides the old misconceptions which have been proven wrong again and again.

Quote:

Posted by Yog (Post 684943)
m8 I think that's the joke

m8 I know

Vicipower 03-15-2016 11:53 PM

Quote:

Posted by Distorted_P2P (Post 684945)
But in all seriousness all for legalization, so many benefits. Good for material (Although I'm sure it will never be used for material) good for the economy, good for the money we spend on drugs, will help with the suicide rate, less overcrowding in jails. I don't see any reasons for it to be legalized anymore, besides the old misconceptions which have been proven wrong again and again.



m8 I know

http://www.webmd.com/news/breaking-n...afe-web?page=2

We could for sure decrease some of that overpopulation too, I dont smoke it and I'm sure as hell not going to, but I'm all for it.

Pr0m4N V.14 03-16-2016 12:07 AM

Quote:

Posted by TWIZ (Post 684894)
In the future McDonald's is gonna have a voalue pot menu

One of the toys in a happy meal was weed in a pipe.

PumaD 03-16-2016 12:22 AM

Let's have it stay illegal so these threads will never stop.

Areo 03-16-2016 12:26 AM

Quote:

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 684871)
Exactly. It blows my mind what people say marijuana does to your body. Obviously inhaling any kind of smoke to your lungs isn't healthy, but, cigarettes and alcohol are both legal which are far worse for you.

Actually, no long term lung impact from inhaling marijuana. Click here for more information on that.

I'm all for it, as long as no reputable studies come out detailing that it's bad for long term cognitive function. Then again, we still let people smoke and that's been shown to be a death sentence.

As stated by GenoIndeed above, restrictions would be needed. You should be 21 before you could purchase it. Think that it should fall under "driving under the influence" just like alcohol. Marijuana should also fall under "No Smoking Zone" regulation too.

5hift 03-16-2016 12:27 AM

Quote:

Posted by Distorted_P2P (Post 684937)
I think you SHOULD give it to annoying kids

Mellow them out

I have seen "mellow" children.

They are still pretty goddamn annoying.

Considering this would probably be a recreational drug, the same or similar laws that apply to smoking and drinking would probably apply to this.

Alexmo 03-16-2016 12:56 AM

Therad I've been waiting for

Distorted_P2P 03-16-2016 01:05 AM

Quote:

Posted by Vicipower (Post 684966)
http://www.webmd.com/news/breaking-n...afe-web?page=2

We could for sure decrease some of that overpopulation too, I dont smoke it and I'm sure as hell not going to, but I'm all for it.

That study was performed with paper. I don't smoke out of paper.

Kieran2820 03-16-2016 01:13 AM

Quote:

Posted by Distorted_P2P (Post 684937)
I think you SHOULD give it to annoying kids

Mellow them out



More like Oregano



"Druggies"

Do some research ****head

Well aren't you a little ball of sunshine.

I never said everyone who takes drugs is a druggie, but legalising it will increase the amount of druggies, for sure. No need to get angry

Weeno 03-16-2016 01:13 AM

sure it can be legal but with everybody walking around with blunts...idk about that

5hift 03-16-2016 01:48 AM

Quote:

Posted by Weeno (Post 684993)
sure it can be legal but with everybody walking around with blunts...idk about that

Well wouldn't it just be the same as everyone walking around with a cigarette or a bottle of Jack?

I think you guys need to realize is not everyone smokes or drinks.

Your life isn't in any immediate danger of being attacked by an angry drunkard or secondhand smoke.

GotenGraal 03-16-2016 02:50 AM

Quote:

Posted by Yog (Post 684938)
Holy **** I want weednuggets

Those would taste awful bro lol

I'm sure these "heavy pot smokers" used in those studies were never the brightest kids before they started smoking and they just wanted some easy cash (referring to that webmd link).

DJ Meow 03-16-2016 03:03 AM

"Why not, it's not hurting anybody."

10/10 the kids in my class.

Coco 03-16-2016 04:57 AM

Sure, but I think there should be strict rules along with it. I also think we should be way more strict with alcohol. Really, anything that can alter perception should not be taken lightly. If you're somewhere that you don't plan on leaving for a long while (like your house) then go wild. Can't do anyone but yourself any harm by sitting on your couch getting high/drunk, so whatever. But if you're going to go out somewhere, drive, go to work etc., there needs to be some serious enforcement.

Cigarettes are extremely unhealthy, but they don't alter your vision or render you incapable of walking straight.

John 03-16-2016 05:10 AM

Rather have it legalized so these police can focus their attention on the more serious drugs that actually make people rob and kill others for.

Bram- 03-16-2016 07:23 AM

Weed is like the hot topic in every school. Sure I like weed but I just dislike the convos about in school.

Sardon 03-16-2016 01:03 PM

1 Attachment(s)
;););)

Alexmo 03-16-2016 01:18 PM

Ya in graal we can finally start making pot

kaida 03-16-2016 01:24 PM

Im all for it. I won't have to deal with shady dealers anymore

Crono 03-16-2016 04:58 PM

Quote:

Posted by Coco (Post 685040)
Sure, but I think there should be strict rules along with it. I also think we should be way more strict with alcohol. Really, anything that can alter perception should not be taken lightly. If you're somewhere that you don't plan on leaving for a long while (like your house) then go wild. Can't do anyone but yourself any harm by sitting on your couch getting high/drunk, so whatever. But if you're going to go out somewhere, drive, go to work etc., there needs to be some serious enforcement.

Cigarettes are extremely unhealthy, but they don't alter your vision or render you incapable of walking straight.

Society is strict enough with alcohol, the issue is always the few ****tards who drink and then decide to drive or operate things they really shouldn't be.

Nanner 03-16-2016 04:59 PM

Quote:

Posted by Crono (Post 685082)
Society is strict enough with alcohol, the issue is always the few ****tards who drink and then decide to drive or operate things they really shouldn't be.

And being high on weed, you can easily drive normal. If ur drunk tho it's just bad don't ever. Idk why alcohol is legal and weed is not D;

Coco 03-16-2016 05:34 PM

Quote:

Posted by Its_Nanner (Post 685083)
And being high on weed, you can easily drive normal. If ur drunk tho it's just bad don't ever. Idk why alcohol is legal and weed is not D;

Uh you might think you'd be able to but you shouldn't. People also think they can drive drunk. Some say they can even drive better drunk or high. Imo if your perception is altered in any way, stay tf away from your car or any machinery for that matter. Be responsible. There's nothing that ticks me off more than drunk/high drivers. It's just safer for yourself and the people around you if you drive sober.

Tbh I think the world would be a better place if bars didn't have, or were near, parking lots... Or maybe not exist at all. Why give people the opportunity to drive somewhere to get drunk only to have them drive back home after.

Quote:

Posted by Crono (Post 685082)
Society is strict enough with alcohol, the issue is always the few ****tards who drink and then decide to drive or operate things they really shouldn't be.

All the more reason they should be more strict. Alcohol isn't necessary for life. People don't need it. The only reason people drink it is (I assume) because of the buzz or to get drunk...or I guess because it somehow actually tastes good to them.

I don't care what people do by themselves away from other people. If you're at home or something I couldn't care less how high or drunk you get. It's when people decide to put other lives at risk thinking they can do something that they shouldn't be doing until they're sober. Imo alcohol doesn't have a single benefit. Weed, however, I've read helps with diseases... But I mean it's still smoking and it's still not good for you I'm sure.

Brick 03-16-2016 08:12 PM

I'm in favor of legalization with regulations. I like the way my state currently handles the situation. If you regulate it like alcohol (have to be over 21 years old, no driving high, etc.) then I don't see much of a problem.

John 03-16-2016 08:16 PM

Quote:

Posted by Coco (Post 685086)
Uh you might think you'd be able to but you shouldn't. People also think they can drive drunk. Some say they can even drive better drunk or high. Imo if your perception is alerted in any way, stay tf away from your car or any machinery for that matter. Be responsible. There's nothing that ticks me off more than drunk/high drivers. It's just safer for yourself and the people around you if you drive sober.

Tbh I think the world would be a better place if bars didn't have, or were near, parking lots... Or maybe not exist at all. Why give people the opportunity to drive somewhere to get drunk only to have them drive back home after.



All the more reason they should be more strict. Alcohol isn't necessary for life. People don't need it. The only reason people drink it is (I assume) because of the buzz or to get drunk...or I guess because it somehow actually tastes good to them.

I don't care what people do by themselves away from other people. If you're at home or something I couldn't care less how high or drunk you get. It's when people decide to put other lives at risk thinking they can do something that they shouldn't be doing until they're sober. Imo alcohol doesn't have a single benefit. Weed, however, I've read helps with diseases... But I mean it's still smoking and it's still not good for you I'm sure.

The reason for this is because when you're drunk you feel more confident driving which results in you most likely crashing because you think nothing will go wrong. Believe me I hate drunk drivers as well, but if you have had to drive while you're high you'll see a major difference. The time I can say not to drive is when you're at your peak and that's like right as soon as you get high, but after 30 mins to an 1 hour you should be fine

Crono 03-16-2016 08:33 PM

Quote:

Posted by Coco (Post 685086)
All the more reason they should be more strict. Alcohol isn't necessary for life. People don't need it. The only reason people drink it is (I assume) because of the buzz or to get drunk...or I guess because it somehow actually tastes good to them.

A lot of things aren't necessary for life. Alcohol and drugs make you feel good, people are allowed to do that to a reasonable extent in a responsible manner...which is probably what 95% of the cases are.

Quote:

I don't care what people do by themselves away from other people. If you're at home or something I couldn't care less how high or drunk you get. It's when people decide to put other lives at risk thinking they can do something that they shouldn't be doing until they're sober. Imo alcohol doesn't have a single benefit. Weed, however, I've read helps with diseases... But I mean it's still smoking and it's still not good for you I'm sure.
So being drunk in public = we're gonna drive while intoxicated? There's a pretty massive gap between getting drunk at home and doing **** that can put people's lives at risk.

Coco 03-16-2016 09:26 PM

Quote:

Posted by Crono (Post 685107)
A lot of things aren't necessary for life. Alcohol and drugs make you feel good, people are allowed to do that to a reasonable extent in a responsible manner...which is probably what 95% of the cases are.

And it's the people that aren't responsible about it that make me feel like we should be a lot more strict. The people that are responsible about it would have nothing to worry about because, well, they're responsible.


Quote:

Posted by Crono (Post 685107)
So being drunk in public = we're gonna drive while intoxicated? There's a pretty massive gap between getting drunk at home and doing **** that can put people's lives at risk.

It's just a personal opinion I guess. I have 0 interest in alcohol and drugs, never smoked cigarettes in my life and never plan to...been around people that have done and still do both and I guess from my perspective it all seems stupid and pointless. You can be and live a perfectly happy life without them and imo you and the people around you are better off without them.

I'm not against making it legal. I'm for it for some of the reasons other people have said previously. I just think strict rules should apply to those who aren't using it within the confines of their own home since I don't want people I care about or myself to be sideswiped by some high or drunk idiot that thought "I'm totally capable of driving" instead of waiting until they were sober like a responsible person should.

Colin 03-16-2016 09:35 PM

Quote:

Posted by Crono (Post 685082)
Society is strict enough with alcohol, the issue is always the few ****tards who drink and then decide to drive or operate things they really shouldn't be.

Maybe where you live but this is taken right off a government statistics website

"Every day, almost 30 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. This amounts to one death every 51 minutes. The annual cost of alcohol-related crashes totals more than $59 billion."

About 30 too many, and many more people still drive high/drunk.

Legalizing weed is dumb but may as well make money off it because people will do it anyways, the fact that a majourity of teenagers and todays youth are only getting into political debates when it's about weed kind of says something

The fact people on here trying to convince us driving high is ok and not bad at all should also say something

Crono 03-16-2016 09:41 PM

Quote:

Posted by Coco (Post 685115)
And it's the people that aren't responsible about it that make me feel like we should be a lot more strict. The people that are responsible about it would have nothing to worry about because, well, they're responsible.

I disagree, the vast majority should not be even more inconvenienced because of a relatively small fragment of irresponsible users. Society has already taken that step anyway and the number of drunk driving incidents are luckily declining.

Quote:

You can be and live a perfectly happy life without them and imo you and the people around you are better off without them.
You honestly can't make that claim because, as you say, you've never tried it.

Quote:

I'm not against making it legal. I'm for it for some of the reasons other people have said previously. I just think strict rules should apply to those who aren't using it within the confines of their own home since I don't want people I care about or myself to be sideswiped by some high or drunk idiot that thought "I'm totally capable of driving" instead of waiting until they were sober like a responsible person should.
Again, you're missing the massive gap between getting drunk/high at home and intoxicated driving. Intoxicated + going outside does NOT mean you're going to hop in a car the first chance you get. People drink at bars, go clubbing, etc and it's almost always fine.

There will always be a few idiots that completely ruin it for everybody else, be it drunk driving or texting + driving. In the end, education is important. I don't go near my car keys for 24 hours after I've had even a drop of alcohol. I'm all for stricter laws on restricting drivers if they're being ******ed, I just don't know how some places (esp in the US where public transportation isnt adequate in many areas) could viably enforce it.

Coco 03-16-2016 10:01 PM

Quote:

Posted by Crono (Post 685117)
I disagree, the vast majority should not be even more inconvenienced because of a relatively small fragment of irresponsible users. Society has already taken that step anyway and the number of drunk driving incidents are luckily declining.

I don't see how it would be an inconvenience for responsible drinkers. If every drinker was like you and didn't go near their car until they were 100% sober, then how would stricter rules even apply to them? I can only see it being an extremely slight inconvenience of not any at all unless you weren't responsible about it.

Quote:

Posted by Crono (Post 685117)
Again, you're missing the massive gap between getting drunk/high at home and intoxicated driving. Intoxicated + going outside does NOT mean you're going to hop in a car the first chance you get. People drink at bars, go clubbing, etc and it's almost always fine.

No, but they could stumble around falling in the streets or subway tracks or get in fights. Drunk people are unpredictable and incapable of taking care of themselves when they're intoxicated.

Quote:

Posted by Crono (Post 685117)
There will always be a few idiots that completely ruin it for everybody else, be it drunk driving or texting + driving. In the end, education is important. I don't go near my car keys for 24 hours after I've had even a drop of alcohol. I'm all for stricter laws on restricting drivers if they're being ******ed, I just don't know how some places (esp in the US where public transportation isnt adequate in many areas) could viably enforce it.

I'm glad you're one of the few that are responsible about it. Would be nice if everyone that liked to drink was like that.

GenoIndeed 03-16-2016 10:10 PM

Coco's right tho, pretty much everything I had said earlier, Coco said in much more detail.

Crono 03-16-2016 10:11 PM

Quote:

Posted by Coco (Post 685120)
I don't see how it would be an inconvenience for responsible drinkers. If every drinker was like you and didn't go near their car until they were 100% sober, then how would stricter rules even apply to them? I can only see it being an extremely slight inconvenience of not any at all unless you weren't responsible about it.



No, but they could stumble around falling in the streets or subway tracks or get in fights. Drunk people are unpredictable and incapable of taking care of themselves when they're intoxicated.

well, you're arguing for stricter rules on alcohol/drug consumption in general (atleast in the original post).

i dunno, people drink a lot in nordic countries and things seem to be going ok

GotenGraal 03-16-2016 10:15 PM

You can make the rules as strict as you want, but there will always be people drinking and smoking illegally. Everyone shouldn't suffer because of these people since they will always exist.. The laws are already strict, it's just that a lot of people don't follow them lol.

And for Colin, have you ever been high before?


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:08 PM.

Powered by vBulletin/Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.