Can someone explain?
 

Have never seen this before, logged on and won 1 spar.
And got dc'd with this message how come half of the people who spar in mixed are allowed to lag but I'm not.
https://gyazo.com/7073cf0778dfa7eb373dd72656b2e5d9.png

rekt

Staff always make an effort to keep laggers out of spar but sometimes just don't manage to get them all. You must have just been doing the wrong thing at the wrong time lol

^^^

Fulgore (admon) pmd me saying he dc'd u to let alumni members streak.

#AbusiveAdmon #HostEventsFulgore

That's a bad excuse to disconnect someone. Might as well disconnect all the Philippines, Brazilians, Turkish, and Mexican players who are ten times worst when it comes to Internet service.

It only applies to Sparring, I only spar when I have 100 ms - 200 ms.

lol

oh god i should take up spar... 300+ at all times.

Sugar was lagging no more than she usually does, looked like around ~250ms, was banned a week for it after getting disconnected like this... Pretty dumb

Is that also why idevice players are being disconnected? Cause I've been getting random disconnections(I usually have around 50 ms) for the past week. Sometimes but rarely, I also see multiple idevice players d/c the same time too, so I don't know if it's a server side thing or not.

Can't really say whether it was deserved or not, but there are tools for measuring ping, and how fast it fluctuates. No one is just guessing that someone is laggy.

Unless your ping was absurd, like maybe past 800, I don't think disconnecting players during spar makes sense.

I have seen this as well. Happens to me 3 times a day usually, and I only play for 2-3 hours a day. It seems to happen to large swaths of players at the same time

Lmao, you actually think 250ms is bad

It's not like someone's internet can just spike outta nowhere. Maybe if it was consistent I'd understand lol.

Just have players being able to join spars when under X MS if you already try to have laggers not spar (which is ridicolous aswell) and have staff focus on important stuff instead?

They are only d/c people who are forcing lag. They can tell when your ms suddenly changes above your average ms.

You did start lagging pretty badly, was there to witness it.

This happened with Abood, he got a warning from admins after sparring while "lagging" when it was only his natural delay.....I heard sugar also got banned for the same reason.

This is wrong because we all know red has to much of a ego to be vpning and waste it all. Also the server can fluctuate your ms by a lot. I usually sit on 215ms and when the server hits over 4K it can easily move up to 350ms.

don't know where you manage to interpret that from my post

doubt it, there's a problem with the app. something is incompatible. when i try to log through my ipod, it displays the disconnection msg.

i saw that as well while i was pking in the swamp pond. 6-7 players just froze and took them a good 1-2 min before reconnecting.

ItYou're implying that it's bad by the way you constructed your sentence

It should've been "She was banned for ONLY having <250 ms" or "her ms was her usual and she got banned"

Don't use "lagging" because she isn't lagging, she's DELAYING behind

The only advice I can give to people is

Don't use programs or other methods that affect your upload speed, makes you delay.
Don't download games or movies/whatever, that makes you lag.

Try to keep your connection clean. Between 2000 and 4000 players, your ms shouldn't have a difference of more than 100, if it's more, then you need to "tell your parents to" stop using a lot of bandwith.

I have terrible internet, multiple people on this post will be able to vouch for me.
But I guess it is ok for people like "raege" "Joshia" "kite" to lag all around the place and not be hittable.

You've just admitted it. Congrats, do you need a medal?
You wish you didn't talks **** to me, don't you?

How stupid are you

Tell me! how am i "stupid"?

My internet is fine in mornings , completely smooth , and at night I have like 500MS sometimes , I'm British btw. Red shouldn't be getting disconnected , the sparring community is full of laggers and delayers what does it matter , probably just an admin with nothing better to do lol , just like the admin that monitored my account and banned me as soon as I sent an inappropriate message , to someone who didn't even report me. Just monitoring my acc cuz someone told them to , for the banter I guess?? Half the time they don't care about lag , just wrong timing for u red lol

Everyone has totally listened to my egalitarian approaches to dealing with laggers in spar. I.e. set a limit on rolling latency and packet loss as a condition for participation, even if you're convinced it has to be a variable limit.

The complete disconnect in communication between staff and players when it comes to this is awful. Sugar was banned and has no idea why. Even if she could appeal, she doesn't speak English well enough to defend herself. It's way too easy to ban players like that for as long as you want and get away with it. I'll bet the staff member that warned you can't fluently explain how latency works, etc. Just dumb people doing what they think is the right thing.

There's also this weird new thing going around where people are allegedly getting warned or banned for "inappropriate PMs" to people they're having a consenting conversation with. Zicknex mentioned it happening to him once before, and now Alex just told me about it. Super weird that GPs can even read PM history when a block feature exists... If two people are PMing, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to curse or do whatever the hell they want as long as they aren't reporting each other.

players like pazkez primel(sharing acct with 3 diff ppl + vpn), speedhackers (another thread) aren't still banned. but abood got warned? sparred him 3 times the other day, didn't see him lag at all. weird.

Shouldn't let those role-playing e-thugs that hang outside the Arena moderate sparring. Would prefer Fulgore and not those Zanza/Nightowl hippies. Majority of them have either never sparred or barely step foot inside the Mixed/Quick rooms.

I agree with you. How dare the Classic staff not be made up of sparrers who have been banned at least 4 times.

In all seriousness, that disconnect for "lagging too much" was not made by a GP that I know of.

Not all of us have much experience in spars and such, but we do approach or consult other staff who are when we are in doubt or dealing with cases that the player may seem to be delaying intentionally but we are not definite about it.

Just follow these rules

USA + Delay = Forced

Lag spiking constantly = warning (Let's them know that they shouldn't spar)
"Get closer to your connection or turn off all other devices using the same connection"

If you see a player having a huge amount of delay, check their ms, then check the average ms of other players living in the same country. Should let you know if it's forced.

Example, if 10 people from Australia are running at 180-220 ms, and then this one person is at 300-350... it's pretty obvious.

Thanks, will take it into consideration when dealing with cases in the future

People living in rural areas like surge will have a higher ms and thats hard to determine whether they are intentionally increasing their latency.

Hopeful admins can code something that will disconnect people on vpn networks that enter spar rooms and towers.

I think its good that admins are doing something about people intentionally lagging. Don't see why they don't take surveys for each countries average showms and use that to make a lag cap. For example, the Australian lag cap could be 240ms, any Australian over that cannot queue.

what happens if u queue/in spar and ur lag spike up to 300ms? does it kick u out?

Its an example, I'm sure they would be more considerate. Doubt they would implement this let alone give it a thought. Imo its a good idea, if you lag above the average you shouldn't be sparring, you should be thoughtful of other sparrers that have to deal with your increased lag/delay.

The things people get banned over vs. what others definitely should be getting banned over (but don't) is and always has been pretty ridiculous

ISPs play a big factor here with wifi speed... so i dont think thatd be fair for some countries.

But your other 2 points arent that bad...

Also in regards to this thread ive been disonnected for my delay because admins thought it was lag...but in regards to my lag I dont mind there being lag limits tbh as I tend not to spar during the day when im laggy anyway and tend to do it mostly at night since sparring with lag isnt too fun.

I average 223-300ms, I live in a semi rural area so there is nothing I can do to stop it.
Don't no why any other admin besides fulgore is patrolling the arena most of them are zanza members who have never actually PLAYED graal.

Just be thankful u don't get banned and IP Banned for 3 months because an admin decided to monitor your pms without cause lol , graals population would drop a fair bit

I've been trying to get an explanation for this , so far every member of staff has ignored or directed me to the support email , which takes 2-3 days to reply and gives me a one line response. I doubt I will even get an explanation in the end , just "we cannot disclose this information with you"

im surprised you didn't get disc for all ur spars.

If its a region issue just make spar rooms for different regions ex:

South american spar room

North american spar room

European spar room

Asian Spar room

African Spar Room

Oceana Spar room.

Isn't a sparrer = doesn't play Graal.

It's kinda funny since the majority of Zanza members started playing before you.

What does that have to do with anything lol...you got players who have been playing from 2009 who don't know what blink/delay/hit boxes even are... Just because Zanza members have been playing for a long time doesn't mean they have an understanding of how spar works.

except diz (never sparred him), all the zanza sparrers weren't impressive.

Did you even read the post I quoted? Red was saying Zanza members never actually played Graal. His post said nothing about spar

Either way, why is it a requirement to be good at something for you to understand how it works?

Because if you're **** at what you do, you effect yourself and everyone around you.

Then let them stick to moderation, and you guys stick to sparring.