Fort leaderboard preference
 

Ok What would you prefer-just guild fortwise:

Option1- AllTime leaderboard -keeping hours that everyones at now
Option2- AllTime leaderboard -Resetting all hours-with history of old vers some where.
Option3- Seasonal leaderboard on its own -no alltime.
Option4- Seasonal leaderboard with alltime but all reset again.

'Just for the views of players'

Daily reminder that if you are opposed to an all-time leaderboard (without reset of hours), it's probably because you're a rookie or just never took the time to participate in a guild that actually went past 1k.

It depends on how the seasonal towering aspect will be executed. I can think of ways it could be executed in which I would want an all time leaderboard to be removed. It really all depends how they plan on setting the seasonal scoring up.

For the last time.........

All-Time was removed to let new players have a chance to place top 50.
It's better to let more active players be rewarded, rather than people who haven't been on for years.

If you want your guild to be recognized, then get some active players and start towering. Ever since the update, I've felt less lazy to pk, and baddy kill due to the fact that I can actually place top 10 on them now. It stays for 3 months, instead of a week.

Maybe as a filtered option, all-time could be a thing. But only as a filtered option. Forts, pk, bk, spar.

I see no point in making a filter option. If there's an all-time leaderboard, don't look at it if you care that much lol. No need to make a filter option to remove it from your view. Also, this thread was for the opinions on all-time leaderboards, not asking why they were removed.

The whole point of the all-time board being removed was for more competition amongst the active community. People compete to be at the top for at least 3 months. They don't have to play for years to achieve it.

I am stating the option to have a filtered version where you see all-time, but, "No, that's not enough! I want my guild/name on a list, at all times, when I don't play the game anymore or just afk."

It's also highly motivating to "make history". Funny using that phrase on a video game, especially when the game is Graal. Anyways, people want to be at the top, that's what is motivating. The all-time leaderboard actually motivates people to base more and go further in one guild. Seasonal actually encourages the opposite. You can't seriously be criticizing all-time leaderboards because it takes "years to achieve it" because isn't it supposed to be difficult and take a long time? You want instant gratificafion, which is exactly what led to 1k hat chasing. I'm not saying seasonal leaderboards leads to 1k hat chasing, because that already exists, but all-time leaderboards is actually a good motivator to make people continue basing in 1 guild. Besides, if you based for 5 years and got 10k hours, I think you would deserve to have your name at the top of the list, even if you don't currently tower. Why should somoen who towered for 2 months be above someome who towered for 5 years? I'm all for seasonal, but I think (depending on how the guild system plays out) all-time leaderboards should exist.

Bahahahahhaah yeah because all the old top15/20/50guilds are now recognised; why would people bother to do season with guild to never be remembered again unless actively forting for next 10years..and for some gralats which you can buy stuff a gralatpack buyer or farmer can too.

This is also why I made thread on fortwise taking only because seasonal is great to motivate PK/BK/Spar but for guilds its more to be the best..not in a season but actually get high in leaderboards and with the hat system gone well hey maybe they would actually start playing...

Guilds have already made history.
First to 1k
First to 10k

They are at the library. Anything other than first to x, then oh well, you missed out on your spot in the history books.

All time records will never be part of the Leaderboards.

Probably because you guys deleted the history of it all without even involving the players/competitive guilds in the leaderboard.

Even if it were added, your guild wouldn't even be shown at top 4-5...
You are trying so hard to make this come back, yet the only guilds anyone would really see would be CJ, SoN, CoM, VG, and NAL.

People like to see what place they are actively in. If they aren't on a list, then they see the top 4-5, and that's it. Guilds from 10-50 are just ignored.

Terrible decision, to be honest.

Little puzzled as to why Aguzo and Fatal are pretty much spam posting these threads, None of it will ever be added at all and the all time leaderboards were removed for a reason, Why does G fatal care when he does not even play the game?

Who cares? People do the exact same thing in daily, weekly, monthly, and seasonal leaderboards. Might as well only show the top 5 people in each category by that logic.

every single time this comes up i feel like the MoD guild library is forgotten


doesn't it have all the guild achievements?

it's not enough bro we need to immortalize these ancient Graal achievements in a list hanging over Graal City so people can see that ___ managed to get 2000 hours when 800 people played and Sardon's had 2000 HP and defended itself

because that data is relevant today and adds to the competitive environment

Nope it's still there and updating in the background.

Tbh 100% A LOT of my friends have quit because of all these updates.

But I'll just wait and see what other updates you guys bring, you seem to know what your doing.

But I myself miss all time leader boards the challenge isn't there anymore for me in my opinion I rather try and get in to the most kills all time but that just my opinion and I guess it dosn't matter

Towering was harder in 2010. Then became easier after allies were added. Anyways, i wouldn't mind an all-time leaderboard for spars, pks, guild spars, towering. just would be cool to see. Other than that, Seasonal is more useful.

I love seasonal, but I also feel like seasonal only promotes temporary towering (the other activities: pk, spar, etc. are fine) which is what classic was trying to get away from. I assume there's more changes coming to the guild and towering system soon, which could cause good reason to not have an all-time leaderboard, but for the most part, I feel like all-time leaderboards is one of the best motivators to tower in 1 guild and go far. I also see no downside to all-time leaderboards for PK & spar. Seasonal should definitely be the focus, though.

This thread is just for the views, ik it won't happen... but yeah proves a point still that majority didn't actually want it to be scrapped whether anyone disagrees or agrees is irrelevant as statistic are there.

I'd still like to see the All-Time boards, at least in PK and BK a lot of those players are still active and those boards were changing constantly when they were removed. It's not impossible to get up nor does it have to take forever.

We don't even need prizes for them, they should just be there for show. Prizes could stay in Seasonal and I'm sure no one would have a problem with it. The All-Time leaderboards provided incentive enough itself for plenty of players and kept them sticking around to reach their goals.

I know it won't be readded but I just wanted to state my opinion on it anyways.

Btw, are the records that were added into the Battle Arena library ever going to actually be completed or do we just get to see only Anyu & Jeffy for the rest of eternity?

ONLY THE BEST OF US MAY BE DISPLAYED.

It's pretty much common sense why current competition is better to display than competition that happened years ago.

I can't see why guilds with 1,000 hours feel like they deserve constant and special recognition for their achievments, it's a pretty easy feat a ton of guilds have done and it is not really anything worth dedicating a leaderboard too. Guilds that reached 5k/10k didn't do it to be #1 they did it because they enjoyed it and talking to any of them you can tell they don't care about leaderboards and they have recieved all the recognition amongst players they will get anyways.

If a new player joins a game and sees the current PK leaderboard has people with hundreds of thousands of kills it will probably kill all the competition that person has because passing them is near impossible, but when a new player joins and sees the leaderboard shows current competition then they are more likely to participate because they actually stand a fair chance, same goes with towering and baddy killing.

If you wasted your time doing something you didn't enjoy just to be on a leaderboard then it's kind of your fault, especially considering I don't think many people ever cared about the leaderboards that much aside from those on it.

That's all true, but doesn't account for everything. It's not even about towering. People strive to be the best in the game. Once you get past weekly, monthly, and even seasonal scoreboards, most people want to be at the top. No one who had lots of PKs, PKed to get at the top of the daily leaderboard. They did it to rise in the total leaderboard. Seasonal leaderboards are a good thing, but so is all-time leaderboards. No one simply doesn't PK because they see the #1 person has a lot of kills. If they were discouraged by that, having seasonal leaderboards wouldn't change their motivation. They would still look at the seasonal leaderboard, see a bunch of kills for the #1 person, and still be discouraged. Those are the types of people who never care to PK to begin with. I don't care what happens, but I'm just explaining how this is a mistake; although it's classic's mistake to make. I agree the all-time leaderboards was too big when it came to towering since it showed 40 1k guilds on it, but that doesn't mean all-time leaderboards discourages players, because it does the complete opposite.

I don't understand how that can be said objectively. It was much easier to hold towers when I started playing in 2011 due to their design and ridiculous flag HPs. Conversely, that'd mean it was much more difficult to attack and take towers. So basically, it was extremely empowering for the larger, stronger guilds.

There was also a lot less players back then. There were no limitations on hat spots for a while. All of that together should have just allowed the strongest guilds to continue getting stronger. That doesn't sound harder to me, it just sounds more oppressive for smaller guilds and rewarding for larger guilds...

No, the total leaderboard shows total kills.

The current system shows kills/spars/hours for the day, week, and season.

That means everyone has an equal chance because eventually the scores will reset and the compeition wil start out fresh.

The all-time leaderboard doesn't reset so competing to get on it is useless when people who have had thousands of hours of a head start are on it and will continue to remain on it.

That makes no sense. That's like saying people are already so rich, so there's no point in trying to get rich yourself. It's supposed to take time to get to the top of an all-time leaderboard. I'm in favor of seasonal leaderboards. I know exactly what they are... But all-time leaderboards are meant to be a competition for those striving to be the "best of the best". It's not supposed to come easy and quick, it's supposed to take a while to beat the best people in the game, but that doesn't mean it's pointless, because it's not.

4/22 people atm wanted alltime to be gone forever, much for the 'majority' 'big community' having voice over others.
@Colin you do realise that the alltime ldrbd option isn't meaning scrap days/weeks etc they would still be there! so what's harm of being able to see the actual best guilds over all the years ios classic been out, only the sparring+staff gang are against it and stats show they are not the majority whether they try and par off people on a forum or not.

I agree with this, but not in a context relating to Graal due to a bunch of different circumstances.

Look at how much easier PKing is now compared to back then due to mobs and a higher playercount. Doesn't it seem strange to compare Anyu and Xenthic all-time when the data is so skewed due to how completely different it is?

The same goes for towering. My last post explains what I think of towering back then compared to towering right now. With the guild system changing soon, it may be even more skewed. We might have a towering environment where the highest number of hours a guild gets per day is 10, and there are 20-30 other guilds that get between 0-9 hours daily. Is it really relevant at that point to compare those guilds against CoM having 20k on a leaderboard?

I agree, it is different. But games progress, and aspects of the game do change. It's not really comparing, rather showing the current best people in that activity. You'll never be able to measure the true all-time value, but number-wise, you can. Some people want to compete past a 3 month period, and current all-time leaderboards is a good way to create that next level up.

So really putting all in all:

It would be good if there was seasonal (that give whatever prize) and Alltime for the guilds that want to progress above that and become one of the best-eventually.

I am aware of that, but in my opinion it just a useless statistic to display based on the way it works.

There is no point in one for towering guilds, because only like 4/5 guilds are potential candidates for being the 'best guilds' and you could go ask any of them and they will tell you their reason for doing it was for fun and because them and their members enjoyed it, not so they could be plastered on top of an all-time leaderboard. The idea that 1,000 hour guilds are the 'best guilds' to some people is beyond me, especially because it is an easy task and was even easier back then.

There is no competition in an all-time leaderboard for player killing or baddy killing nor is anyone on that list the 'best' because it doesn't take much skill for either of those activities, it just simply shows people who started earlier and played a lot more than others, and while yes, people like Anyu as mentioned before did pass them, but that isn't really something your everyday player is willing/capable to do.

Maybe displaying people with over 500k kills/baddy kills in the library or something would work, but I personally can't see a point in having all-time leaderboards displayed when the seasonal leaderboards that are shown are a much better system and as stated earlier things are much different now, so it would be better to view the all-time leaderboards as past achievements rather than actively use them for competition.

Speaking of BKs, that's another reason. They used to be measured by flat baddy kills, now they're points. How do you prorate that? Seems like all-time leaderboards are really constricting in terms of development. Simple changes like the latest stamina thing that affects bombs and bows, that has a huge impact on an all-time PKs leaderboard.

I dunno, just seems sloppy to have all of this mushed together into a permanent leaderboard. Doesn't seem to really hold much merit when things change so often.

Aside from towers, i never understood why graal has never had a room and que for "PK team death match" in a Big PK room say... 8 vs 8 or something. with a leaderboard for that

Seems pointless to add when guild sparring already exists and is pretty much the exact same thing

And there Seasonal Leaderboards are great, they should be the thing that gives prizes and actually matters. BUT having the all time leaderboard to look at swell would be nice, just to see.

I guess, except you can use bombs arrows and bushes. and hide behind things

Bwt off thread topic ..fort leaderboard preference

Fixed

Seasonal Leaderboard -without alltime;chose the wrong one in the poll by fault

5outof23 atm wanted/want alltime to be removed forever.. Hi staff's majority.

if we value each vote by their IQ then option #3 is in the lead

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Behave.
As stated earlier knowing some knobhead would post this stuff, it's irrelevant if you try par someone off or not, it was said that they went with the majority of what players wanted. that isn't the case and obviously you'd disagree eitherway.
'Now I know that is a mighty big, nasty pill to swallow but swallow it you most certainly will.'

Did you miss this one G Fatal?

Where?

I just love that The Walking Dead quote.

Hmmm rather not have a leaderboard which new players will see and be put off by them to the point they don't participate....

Ever since these leaderboards were put in place, spar/pk/bk have become more active...

Actually maybe not, but looks like it was already decided by you-friends to have it, was actually one of the sparrers who first posted about seasonal stuff and a point system but heres post of you saying that community/group get things they when suggesting ideas.. I guess that's over the majority aswell then.http://www.graalians.com/forums/showpost.php?p=704177&postcount=36
And probably too late to go back by look of things, not that you want it anyway.. Although I am intrigued You say it can't be implemented + fp4 says it's still actually there in background, So you either can't for whatever reason+still could post ingame somewhere the old data for all to see or it can be done just not wanted.

Already saw The question is why? there isn't any explanation, saying it helps for people to be more competitive or helps new players think they best is bs.at forts its pretty much same pk if not worse imo. and seasonal could still be there.. They could if wanted even have it seperate from them seasonal stuff.