Sparring Tier List (Thallen)
 

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http://www.clandestine.pw/sparring-tier-list.html
http://www.clandestine.pw/gsing-tier-list.html

Silver buddy ayyy

sup bud lolzz

i just saw gs tier list LOL wth @ bronze tier.

tbh probably the most accurate list i've seen so far

edit - also love the peasant section

Pretty accurate if you ask me lol

I will be peasant

Was a cool read.

yep, pretty accurate, though i beat few ppl in gold.

or more like few ppl in silver is underrated.

can I be god or inactive god?
I did some sparring back in 2014 and quit in 2015 it was a short period but I did alot of streaking.

also ReD deserves peasant rank hes literally the most sensitive sparrer i've met.

This was heavily debated among the judges.

I didn't really want this posted because it'll probably turn into a flame war based on one person's opinions, but I'll just say I plan keeping this updated regularly... I don't do much on Graal anymore so I have time for it, and even though it's probably frustrating for people who feel they are lower than they deserve I know it's kind of motivating to others

I'm not super comfortable with the rankings on the GS one yet, but it should be easier for me to be more objective now that I'm not doing Alumni GSTs anymore
And thank you to fp4 for sending me a lot of money 10 minutes ago, I can now hide the embarrassing Weebly URL

I actually feel that both lists are pretty unbiased and accurate. Most of the lists I've seen since I've been back have a good chunk of bias on them but your list only a few feel that way (it's very hard to make these kind of things without having them slightly bias)

Pretty sure Ares is on the inactive list

One person I'd add btw is Sean also maybe add Anthony to inactive list

I'm little bothered by the fact that some people were placed when they were inactive or sparred too little to be judged appropriately.

blaze, yami, fulgore, ruke, kamikaze, crono, cookie

you're in bloodvayne, nuffsed.


series me

Good list, but it made me cringe when Thallen listed himself as a god.

What I've been using for at least a year and a half. It's limited my movement by a lot. Keys jam, and I swing where I don't want to. Another thing is that I can only use arrow keys, which I'm still not used to. Gotta do with what you got though (:
Logitech classic keyboard 200
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If I had something like this though, any chiclet style keyboard (laptop keys). I'd be deadly and precise. I'd be able to turn like crazy. All that crazy movement that I used to be able to do is not possible with the other keyboard.
http://www.everymac.com/images/other...k_keyboard.jpg

I've felt like buying this type of keyboard, but "for graal" just doesn't seem like a good investment.

Anyways guys, don't worry too much about a tier list. Like every one of them it's all based off of 1-3 people's opinions. Everyone's list would be different.
None of them are 100% accurate. Will never know who the best really are, until they make official rankings (Which will most likely never happen)

These opinions are based on the person who has probably the most experience with sparring out of anybody in the entirety of graal. I think it's pretty accurate. At least God, Master and Diamond tier are. Opinions may differ around plat/gold/silver/bronze but at the top it's almost indisputable.

to clarify: yes, every single tier list that has ever existed has some inherent bias. But the top 3 tiers always have the same 15 people in them (no matter who makes the list) for a reason.

Diamond and above are pretty even in terms of skill from what I've seen. I can't really say that a certain individual is better than another. Sometimes you destroy someone, other times they destroy you, most of the time it's very close matches.

That being said, it's all just opinions. The only person I have a tough time against is thallen. Everyone else, I wouldn't say they are better. Really though, once it comes down to it, everyone is pretty even, and can go 50/50 when they spar each other enough.

Paeirus and Brett are on the same level skill-wise

uh ok

In the higher levels you can say this about a lot of people (example I see Relic rek a lot of people in plat but he is ranked in silver) but to be honest there are only like 2-3 people (imo) that stand out from the others in terms of pure skill. These lists will always always be opinion based but I feel a good percentage of people will agree on the top 5 sparrers.

I myself can point out a good handful of people in diamond I don't often struggle with but I know a couple in plat that I do struggle. Sparring at a high level is also ultimately about match up and style. People struggle vs different styles but ultimately the consistency is what gets recognized at the end of the day.

There will never be 1 list that ultimately decides the skill of all sparrers but this list atleast gets somewhat close to it.

Pretty much just this, which is why most of them are pretty even.
A rock, paper, scissors of sorts.

Definitely the best tier list I've seen. Woo for master and diamond :D Hopefully I can improve my GS skills and tier up soon!

It sounds bad by name, but honestly if you look at the people in that tier they aren't trash sparrers are anything... Bronze is closer to average than it is bad because no truly "bad" sparrers spar, I never see active 1:3 ratio sparrers for example (but I'm always in the streak room).

That wasn't meant to be a diss or anything, those 2 are literally just the only Bronze-level GSers that came to my mind... I've asked for some help on thinking of more and couldn't come up with any, I'll have to watch more GST recordings or check out the random GS room more often.

Clops, Sean, vEagle, Ruke, and Kouji can probably be moved down to inactive. I kinda just added whoever came to mind in the early stages of this list so that I had actual content... When I feel like the list is 100% accurate in terms of ranks and activity, I'll move it to revision 2.0.

I think Fulgore, Kamikaze, and Crono spar at least a few times a month... I've been seeing Yami every other day though
I'll also use a different standard of "activity" for the GS list... If someone participates in a GST, I'll consider them active (considering GSing really only happens for 2-3 weeks out of the season)

Thanks!

If anyone can think of any sparrers that I haven't added then post them if you want, preferably at least 5 at a time or you'll bump this thread too much. I probably won't rank them immediately unless I'm familiar with how they spar though.

woah im platinum : - )

inactive may be more accurate tho

if the list is about pure performance then yeah but if its supposed to be a measure of skill then i must dispute that god tier sarah

Hey! i was also a sparrer ;-;

Why do you always comment about me when you don't see me sparring like 99% of the time?
You aren't good at spar (anymore??) and you keep talking about it, you don't deserve a platinum at all imo.

because it sucks that the person setting spar records on graal is a laggy fraud that would flop without it. why even respond though? you always go on about how you don't care.

That's why im saying you don't see me sparring most of the time.
I only delay with no warp in france (98% of the time) so just stop commenting on me if you have no idea.
I only lag when i travel which is normal.
I really dont care what the others think of me and im quitting after 100k so thats another reason but you keep commenting and you are rarely even on.

ok :)

Crono for MVP this month on the threads.

Loving the way Thallen made this though its very accurate though I think I used to be higher than gold but it only motivates me to get better than I am, I have sloppy skills and I recently just started using some tips hes given which have made me improve largely. I panic less and I dont have a problem with losing to specific people or in general.

I do think ReD should go in peasant though, due to his poor sportsmanship, rudeness, and how argumentative and sensitive he is.

Everyone lags, no matter what, so you'll lag even in france

"you don't deserve a platinum".. lol - does anyone takes this list serious? I mean that kind of serious whereas (s)he gets mad or w.e because listed in tier X and not A?

"I really don't care" yet you always have to post a reply defending yourself with nonsense? Shrug.

Graalsparring is boring and a waste of time at all, so are every spar rankings, won't change. Nice effort put into it, though.

Just an FYI, the site might not be working for a little bit while the new DNS propagates

Use these URLs until then: http://www.clandestine.pw/sparring-tier-list.html
http://www.clandestine.pw/gsing-tier-list.html

yet another Thallen self-promotion thread.

I don't feel like adding my name to the list, yet. I won't start sparring again until the rain begins to cease, as it really dampered the servers down a bit.

It's not bad, and it can serve as a motivation to improve.

I consistently compete with plat+diamond+most of master. I've also been inactive for 2.5 months while Unixmad was on vacation tho so I'm rusty, playing on **** school network 90% of time, and when I spar in streak I do well against top sparrers but always lose to random noobs/laggers for no reason. So silver probably deserved, idk, all opinion anyways and I'm havin fun.

My favorite part is the peasant rank cuz it really brings all of the sparring community together as one for a common cause. :^)

Thallen's Ego:
http://faculty.chas.uni.edu/~demaste...ee22450289.gif

lol @ people who take that list seriously

How are people going to say this is a self promotion thread , it wasn't it thallen who started the thread so that statement in it self is just a hope in an unnecessary argument for attention.

If what yami says is true I deserve peasant tier

lol @ those who take it TOO seriously

Tell them that too. They actin like im attacking you foh.

I'll create a HD system that only I understand so that I become the best sparrer.

finally a flamewar that i can watch and not get pulled in by thallen

children pls

People I've seen you Judge because of what they've said about you:
Ivy (hate her myself)
Me
Distorted
Striken
Pacman
Multipas
Sardon

If you take the bottom 3 seriously you have downs

Sardon was never judged, infact I talked to him as a friend and never talk to him on the threads, infact your the one who goes on his threads joining the group of people that mess with him.
Strikens one of my oldest best friends who watches anime aswell...
Idk pacman
Distorted came out of nowhere but now I can see how hes annoying and I will judge him cuz hes making no sense hes just being a ****.
Lol dont bother putting yourself up there you ask for this.
I dont have Ivy, I dont judge Ivy, no idea how you even thougt OF ivy.

Whatever floats your boat kid.