The Mandela Effect
 

The Mandela effect is basically when you remember something a certain way but it turns out to be different.
Normally you'd think you have remembered it wrong.
But what if thousands or even millions of people remembered it the same way yet it is actually different?
So it's basically a group of people remembering false information which they think was fact.

The origin of the name "mandela effect": http://mandelaeffect.com/about/

If you google around a bit you can find more examples of this mandela effect with some of the most well known ones being:
-"Luke, I am your father." while it was actually "No, I am your father.".
-C3PO was fully gold. Then it had a silver bottom part on its leg, then it suddenly had a golden foot on that silver leg.

You can find more on the reddit page here: https://m.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/


There's a lot of different theories about these things and ofcourse not everyone believes that the mandela effect is real which is fine.
I just wonder what you guys think about this since it's been getting bigger on the internet lately with more occurences being found each day.

So you think something is one way when it really was another? That's nothing special. I thought I had eggs for breakfast yesterday but after a little thought, I realized I actually had muffins.

Its the Berenstein Bears not the Berenstain Bears.

Anyone who thinks its the Berenstain Bears is a lizard-human alien hybrid that is trying to take over the world by screwing with our childhood memories.

Who the **** thinks it was the Berenstain Bears??

Screw 9/11, this is a REAL conspiracy.
Everyone knows Bush did it. Don't kid yourself.

It's illegal to deny the Holocaust happened in Germany

It's more than just not realizing what you ate, it's well known things being different or altered while remembering it clearly.

Kit-Kat -> KitKat
Looney Toons -> Looney Tunes
"On the first day of christmas my true love gave to me" -> "On the first day of christmas my true love sent to me"

People are finding more of these things quite rapidly, some things have even been changed but then changed back like "Tidy Cats" was changed to "Tidy Cat" and then back to "Tidy Cats".
It's just weird that so many people remember these "false memories" the exact same way.

Some people think there's multiple realities which all have small things different from eachother and when one of these mandela effects happens we switch to or merge with a different timeline.
Others think that reality as we know it might be a computer simulation where we co-create existence. Some wealthy people even offer money for scientist to get them out of this "matrix".

I'm personally not sure what the explanation to this or even our existence could be but I feel like our lives being a simulation of some sort could be possible since even in this world we are getting close to such technology.
Think about virtual reality, photorealistic graphics, or even the google deepmind project where they created an AI that could learn itself how to play games.


There's definitely more to life than people want us to believe and who knows, we might be getting close to discovering things

What about Oscar Mayer lol. When I was a kid I used to always think it was Oscar Meyer.


Some people on a forum even suggested someone is going back into the past and changing **** to wake people the fk up. I mean seriously you're right dude. The thought of us being in a virtual simulation comes to my mind every day, and only when we die is when we realize the truth that our life was just a huge fantasy. I'd sure get a kick out of that.

Worth a watch.
We are getting this far with technology so all of this is definitely possible if you think about it.
Who knows, we might even be one of the simulations of one of the quantum computers so the programmers of our reality can test things out.

yeah I thaught I was the only one who said berenstein bears

I won't evenscan my finger on phones.
What will likely happen is that many jn our generation will do our best to stay away from the system,were gonna be telling our children not to implant chips in their brains and become part of the singularity.
Liberals of 2060 will see us as regresives and will critisize our actions,robots will gain equal rights and we will be viewed upon as delusional close minded bigots.
and there is nothing that we can do to stop it
Progress is coming they say but what are we progressing into?

We'll all be sort of like the Borg from star trek.

I wrote a comment referring to Rufus' word, but turns out that it was a picture of a world map.

It makes sense that this would happen... Not sure how people believe in alternate realities because of this "mandela effect." It's like when someone misunderstands a song lyric and thinks its something other than what it really is. You'll sing with your friends and they'll hear you say it wrong but they don't know the actual lyric either, so they think your version is right and they pass it along too. It's like people saying "I could care less" when they really mean "I couldn't care less." One person says "I could care less" and no one thinks about it too hard, so they pass it on when they say it. People repeat what they see others say/do. It's about lack of knowledge on a topic. People spell "too" as "to" but that's because they're stupid, not because they live in an alternate reality.

Some of these things are too iconic to just be mistaken sayings or memories

Such as? I mean most can be explained in some way. I saw one post on Reddit a while back saying how a guy showed his girlfriend (who had never seen the show before as she lived in the EU) the Berenstain Bears logo and asked her to remember how it was spelled, when you spelled it back to him she spelled it as "Berenstein".

If we were plunged into an alternate reality do you not think more things would change than a hyphen in a logo or two letters in a TV shows name?

I think the spelling of one of the most used words in the English language is more signifcant than looney tunes that can be understandably misunderstood as looney toons considering it is a cartoon. I have never once seen any Star Wars movies but I always thought it was "Luke, I am your father" because I heard other people say that. People imitate other people. All it takes in this day of social media is for 1 person to say "Luke" and then everyone will eventually start saying it too.

Search for yourself on google, youtube, etc if you still don't think it's real but are interested.

Was it graalonline or Graal online?

I thought only lazy 10 year olds only said graalonline.

People forgetting things and being too lazy to look up what it actually was is a conspiracy now too? What's so special about people thinking it was "Luke" instead of "no"? Lots of people don't think too hard before speaking whatever comes to mind, if you hadn't noticed. How does stupid people spreading false information lead to alternate realities?

Even the actor remembers saying Luke though, this one instance doesn't mean it's true but still, there's multiple occasions of things like these happening and up to thousands of people remembering the false truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
If we are a simulation then things could be altered to test out different things, wether everyones memories would update is questionable though.
Like I've seen stated elsewhere, it could be like connecting to a server but some clients still using the old cache. (example of this is uploads not updating on graal for specific users)
Even some higher up people think there's a high chance that this is a simulation and that it would explain why we can't find the start of our existence.
Like boundaries in a game which don't allow you to reach areas out of the intended walkable space.
This is indeed one of those theories that can't be proven or disproven unless a "glitch" in the simulation would happen which some believe the mandela effect is.
I do know a lot of people on here won't bother looking things up and just like to sh*t on anything that doesn't come in line with their ideals but that's okay, in the end this does raise attention from those who are interested and willing to have an openminded discussion instead of just claiming everything else is false.

You can't prove nor disprove that a giant rainbow dinosaur threw up and created rainbows, but that doesn't mean you should believe it. If we're validifying theories because "some people believe" them to be true, then there's a **** load of hilarious reasons for millions of things happening.

It's like Area 51. There's never been any legit reason to believe it actually houses aliens, but thousands (probably much more) believe it does. It all started with some bull **** people made up & it got passed along by people. If you really want to find an explanation for occurrences like this, study sociology, not alternate reality conspiracy theories.

Sounds a lot like Conquest.

I remember writing down "I could care less" in 8th grade and I reread what I wrote and was like "dafuq, that doesn't even make sense." Ever since, I've written it as "I couldn't care less."

http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37436

#mandelaeffect

I was thinking more like unable to be proven like religions.
And Area 51, you say it's bs but you don't know what actually happens there either so I don't understand what point you're trying to make by saying that.

I'm not claiming any of this to be true or fact but I just think it could be a possible explanation just like people think their religions are possible explanations for things.

"People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they're afraid it might be true. Peoples' heads are full of knowledge, facts and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."
Wizard's First Rule.

Instead of getting drawn into all the videos and theories, take a step back and really think about reality for yourself. There are videos and theories on some of the most ridiculous things, that people actually believe, like the reptilian aliens 5hift mentioned. You can believe in whatever you'd like, just don't get too emotionally involved in it. Kind of leads to insanity.

That's exactly his point though, people are making assumptions based on 0 evidence. People who claim the Mandela Effect proves that alternate realities exist are simply doing the same, there have been reasonable explanations for every single example I've seen.

Area 51 is a conspirasy not something millions remember wrong in the same way. Stop hating on this dude `\(-_-)/'

WHITE OUT AND WITE OUT!!!!

are you saying that memories of people in alternate universes getting mixed up (which makes 0 sense) is more likely than your brains ****ing up? how come this effect only applies to mass produced texts? so far it seems that people just believe in this because it makes their lives more interesting

It's only a conspiracy because it was made up by people that then shared it to others. There was literally nothing whatsoever to lead anyone to believe that the government was housing aliens there. It's just like everything else. Someone was wrong or misunderstood something, shared it to others, and now everyone thinks that way. I'm not hating on Eugeen. I have nothing against him. I'm just challenging this notion that alternate realities exist because people think Darth Vader said "Luke" instead of "No". Sorry, but if anyone's idea can't hold up to a little challenging (like this one can't) then it's clearly baseless.

I'm just saying this is a possibility.
Just like I see how some see their religion as possibility.
Like really, I think religions could possible be true, but I also think that things like these could be true, or even us being made through scientific means. I also think the simulation theory is a better explanation than multiple realities but that doesn't mean I'm gonna act like I know what the truth is.
It's just that we can't ever find out what started the begging of what created everyhing.
Also, there's people who 100% believe things like these to be fact and will spend their lives to live with their believe in mind and it's pretty sh*tty for anyone to sh*t on their ideals.

I'm open to multiple theories about existence as a whole since I find those kind of things interesting.
Excluding one persons theory on life and excluding the other shows you're closeminded and not open to anything but what you think is true.
Yeah obviously you're gonna put these things aside like crazy talk or conspiracy crap but that just shows you're biased, really, you're basically trying to debunk believe.

TL;DR if you don't know how the the entire existence of everything was created then don't simply shove aside peoples believes because they aren't true according to yourself.

Of course it's "conspiracy crap", there's as much evidence for the multiple reality theory as there is for the flying spaghetti monster. It's fine to come up with your own ideas and speculate on what the Mandela effect is caused by, but if you can't provide any evidence then it's also okay for other people to disagree without being close minded.

You're basically saying religion is false too because there's no evidence either.
The bible was written by humans so that's not proof.
Yet millions of people devote their lives to religion and if they believe in it then I don't see anything wrong with that.

Believes don't require evidence.
Not everything in life can be scientifically proven especially not our existence.

I'm not closed-minded at all lol. That doesn't mean I'll devote my life to the flying spaghetti monster. You can't really call me closed-minded because I don't believe in a conspiracy that has 0 evidence whatsoever to back it up. Religions have books from thousands of years ago as their evidence to justify that belief. It's up to each person to decide whether that - or any religion is actually real. This alternate reality belief was made up by reddit users?? Or did those reddit users just get it from the 3 AM radio shows where they discuss aliens, altermate realities, and how the government is brainwashing them into not believing these things? Just because people misunderstand something like Looney Toons from Looney Tunes? There's nothing at all to justify alternate realities, so therefore it is just a crazy conspiracy.

That's true. That doesn't mean that crazy conspiracy theories are right, though.

I'm not telling you to believe, I'm just showing that you're pushing the fact that you're against said theory.
You're showing you're biased/close minded which is fine but don't devalue other peoples believes because of it.
These theories aren't facts nor is the evidence supporting it but it's something to think about as it is an interesting topic to me and many others.

So by this I'm not even going to further discuss the topic with you, you're not ready to discuss other peoples theories and believes with an open mind as you've already shown that you are simply incapable of doing so.

People can disagree with you while still keeping an open-mind.

You're suggesting a theory that is completely implausible and is so fundamentally flawed. You can believe it if you want but people are going to disagree and make arguments against you, you can't just respond with "you're so close-minded". If I tell you that I think the flying spaghetti monster is causing the Mandela effect and you don't believe me, does that make you close-minded? No, it just means we have different opinions - and that's okay.

It's the fact you guys are claiming someones believe to be impossible.
You can believe whatever you want, it's not up to you to tell someone their believe is impossible while it can't be proven or disproven to begin with.
That's what I'm talking about.

I don't think that's what anyone is saying. Of course it's possible, it's just incredibly unlikely and all the information points to it being something psychological rather than something supernatural. Anyone is able to create a theory and without evidence there's no reason to suggest that this one is more plausible than any other.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say not everyone's beliefs are possible. Lol you keep calling me closed-minded just because I argued your theory. You can't prove or disprove that I shape-shift into Donald Trump but simply don't remember it. Therefore I am actually the President-elect of the United States. I'm not trying to be mean but you keep trying to just say I'm closed-minded and that I have no right to argue a baseless theory. Sure, if you want to debate alternate realities, I'm game. Could be a good what-if debate (if you can handle a debate), but when you come up with alternate realities as an explanation for people thinking it's Looney Toons instead of Looney Tunes, that's when I'm going to try to rebut your theory.

I mean, forums are designed to create discussion. If you seriously can't stand people arguing against your theory, then you shouldn't have posted it. Seems like you're just as closed-minded as we are, huh?

Yeah but you keep stating I'm coming up with these things while I've stated I haven't, you act like I have to prove these things to you while I had no intend to do so from the start to anyone.
I personally don't think it leads to alternate realities at all but I do find the idea interesting and I'm not saying that can't be true because it very well could be even if I don't believe in it.

You can not simply say someones believes are untrue simply because you feel like there has to be evidence. That's like debunking christianity because they believe someone was the son of god.
No way to prove either things and both things sound ridiculous to certain individuals yet that gives them no rights to act like they are disproving it based on the fact there's no evidence, it doesn't give them the right to act to know it better or know the truth.
Even if a theory sounds impossible, if just one person believes it then why do you think you know it better than said person?

The thread was created to inform people of this theory and the fact that a lot of people believe in the mandela effect.
Also to create discussion on the topic and not for some people to act like they know it better simply because it sounds impossible to them.

If you think you can shapeshift into donald trump then I will believe that you think that is the truth.
It'd be dumb for me to want to debunk your ideals as how would I ever know it isn't true even if it sounds ridiculous?

Do you see what I'm getting at?
You can in no way disprove believes as they aren't factual things.
Hence why I threw terms at you like close-minded and biased as that's literally what your posts were.

Your posts on this thread would have been more than welcome but the fact you entirely claim things to be fake or untrue isn't since you don't know the truth.
I know I said I wouldn't bother discussing it further but I'm a bit stubborn, being human and all.
Also lets be honest, look at your first post in the thread without your own believes and opinion in mind, then tell me you were just here to discuss it without being biased at all.

Guys, c'mon.

Its Berenstein not Berensh*tstain.

Don't ruin my childhood for me.

I never cared for you to prove it. I did expect some reasoning behind the belief, but I guess that doesn't exist. I just tried to disprove it. I can easily say people's beliefs are wrong if they're plainly wrong beliefs. I'm sorry. If I had known that this would have been a Conquest-styled thread, then I wouldn't have taken it seriously.

Considering our global population is seven-billion, that's a relatively small percentage.

Even if one-hundred million people were to think something was right when it wasn't that is still only about 1.50% of our population.

I don't understand your examples either :
Kit-Kat -> KitKat
Looney Toons -> Looney Tunes

Most people don't pay attention to the logos so thinking it is KitKat makes complete sense, and Toons and Tunes sounds the same so it is easy for people to mix it up especially considering for most people it has been years since watching it.

They aren't "false memories" it's called human error, just like half of the people on the forums can see how things are spelled and still spell it wrong.

Wait. Are we having an epistemological and metaphysical argument? Hot damn. Let's put that philosophy degree to use.

Much wiser minds then mine have worked on this topic. Might I suggest starting Kant's Critique of Pure Reason

In general, the burden of proof falls upon the positive affirm-er of a truth. This is because outside of purely mathematical realms it is impossible to prove a negative Truth. This is not to be confused with proving an overwhelming probability of negation which can, and is frequently done and for most pragmatic purposes is considered sufficient. But if you are to say this or that is true then it is assumed that this assertion is made with Reason born out of either empirical observation or derived from some first principles that could be confirmed by any rational mind.

This is true of any appeal to truth. If you reduce your affirmation down to a statement that people belief it, you have committed the fallacy of argumentum ad populum. If you reduce your affirmation down to a statement that you believe it, then you do not have truth, but an opinion. If you don't think that it's an opinion, then you are solipsist.

As for the Mandela effect and whether we exist in multiple collapsing realities that form some kind of average? I am sure that given sufficient energy and time we might make the proof that such is or is not. Just as we are working on the simulation problem (do we exist in the Matrix?). Like the simulation problem absolute truth will probably not be attainable. We will probably need to resort to a statistical model of the probability that multiple realities exist. I imagine it will probably take a score of Phd's a lifetime to produce such a proof.

I just listed some examples of mandela effect experiences that people have experienced.
I do think this could easily be human error but it is not up to us to decide wether it is or not as things like these are beyond our knowledge.



Lets do a memory test everyone.
Imagine in your mind what C-3PO from Star Wars looks like.
Now open the spoiler below to show what he looks like now.

Doesn't have to be proof but gotta admit it's pretty weird as in even some star wars games he's been different
also a disclaimer, this was discovered before the force awakens movie was released but the appearance of c3po has been different the past year('s) according to some people.

*Sorry if somebody else wrote this*
I think it just means our brain going along with everybody else. One year ago I was pretty sure I got this answer right but the teacher said I was wrong. One week later my teacher apologized and said she got it wrong. Everybody thought she was right becuase she has a lot of power in the class and I don't have any. Maybe a famous person said something like the examples and every one agreed. The Madela Effect might have two sides. 1. Listening to other people and going with the flow. 2. Our brain just thinks: eh, this sounds better.

Could surely be it aswell, it wouldn't surprise me

Not sure why but this is kind scaring me

It's just one of those things that people don't notice, I mean who pays attention to legs when watching a movie?

I re-watched the original trilogy just the other week and didn't notice it, it's pretty obvious that it's just people being unobservant.

It's pure psychology. If you're reading a sentence and the word "the" is put twice, many people will just read over it and not notice it. Or if you are reading a sentence and you see the start of a word, you identify it as something and later find out that it was actually a different word. Our brains latch on to certain things and forget others.

Another important factor to look at is social media. It's so easy to spread a false spelling of "Looney Toons" to thousands of people in seconds. Heck, it's like the tabloids. Some people read them and they really believe that Barack Obama is pregnant. People just usually believe other people.

Yeah could be, I just found it odd, I actually grabbed my old lego starwars game from like 2007 I think and oddly c3po was fully gold throughout the entire game.
Although I could brush that off as saving resources/time as just giving a color ID to a model is a lot easier to do than seperate leg colors.

Yeah that's true most of these occurences can be simple mistakes of reading over it or simply your brain filling in parts of the puzzle because you don't fully remember said thing.

Never read comments on random facebook posts with controversial topics, saw a soflo video and almost everyone in the comments thought it was real, o god.




This video is a must watch if you're interested about the world most powerful computers called quantum computers.
These are said to have the ability to connect with alternate universes and can even make said universes overlap causing strange effects.
This video explains why a lot of people can't let go of the mandela effect and other similar theories.
Keep in mind the guy (Geordie Rose) explaining everything is the founder of the d-wave computer (aka quantum computer).