Please stop making hats based off an already used idea
 

How many animal ear style hats have been sold in the past 1 and a half years.

How many hats similar to rufus' king of the cool cats hat have been sold.

How wolf hats since the fairytail nexus have been sold.

How many hats similar to the classic wings hat have been sold (horns at destiny bazaar).

How many hats extremely similar to GST hats have been sold/released (pink kitty at nexus simmilar to deity's hat, Cone similar to US' hat, Hotdog sold at bazaar similar to demons 3rd place hat. there are loads more to list.)

Also shoutout for the passenger panda at the destiny bazaar for being literally the exact same as the normal armored panda. Same idea once again.

Petition to change every hat to clown noses so we won't have this problem anymore.

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thank you for this much-needed post

If you want to see more creativity on the server, you could try making a list of ideas for hats that have not already been done before instead of complaining, I'm sure the graphics team would appreciate it.

Since you're so angry and passionate about this topic, I'm sure it won't be difficult for you considering you are the most creative person on this forum.

Good luck! :)

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Don't �� make �� hats �� unless �� you �� know �� they �� havent �� been �� made �� already


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makes a lot of sense to release a clone of a hat that's supposed to be unique to the team that won it in GST

if what red's saying on that particular topic is accurate congratulations to the iclassic graphics team for the 'amazing' idea of cloning unique prize hats and selling them :rolleyes:

Tell that to the zone 1k hat makers

There is a passenger rhino too, don't discriminate!

I agree with the GST hat point, but after six years of hats you've got be more lenient on them there's only so many reasonable things they can make and when they've tried to make things completely unique in the past they got backlash and were told to make basic common things.

Hats/mounts are a good source of income, so it makes sense to be creating the types of hats/mounts that are appealing and players will want to buy - especially new players who maybe weren't around for the older version/style if there was one as well as potentially turning older ideas into a more suitable version to fit the new graphics theme Classic has transitioned to.

Things like animal ears become a common trend and something that attracts a good portion of players, why not appeal to that and give them a larger variety which further benefits people who enjoy that style and the server by generating income?

You've got to look at this from a creative and business viewpoint, as well as statistical.

I message the Cutieno about ideas/concepts and she never replies...!

The GFX actually do listen to suggestions and ideas (I suggested a couple of hat ideas that ended up in the game, and the black cat clock that was sold for Halloween a couple of years ago was one of my ideas too). As for why Cutieno didn't reply to you, it's probably because they don't have to.

pretty understandable considering the head of GFX staff has Alzheimer's and there are only 50 things capable of being placed on the head

also theres a chest morph which they copied

l can't gst so l just buy a hat simillar to gst hat but gst hats have there own rarity right?

YO I'd like to point out that we try our hardest to come up with unique ideas. Unfortunately we are only human and ideas will eventually be repeated. Also the panda in the bazaar looks nothing like the armored panda (plus you forgot the passenger turtle and rhino). All that said players are constantly requesting hats that have similar structures to older hats, which makes pleasing everyone very difficult, so it'd be cool if you guys could understand that.


Edit: The GST cone hat and the cone hat that was in presents are actually pretty different in shape and overall design.
Ill post a comparison
http://i.imgur.com/3WbiCDC.png
http://i.imgur.com/mSPQRWM.png

Edit 2: Like CM said: Messaging any of us GAT with hat ideas that haven't been used is actually greatly appreciated. I stopped advertising it in my status because all the ideas I was getting was "I want old hats" "Make this hat because I always wanted it." which was annoying.

Not going to start this stupid argument again, but the new cone hat looks better than the old one. Better than the one that was won by people accomplishing something. Sure makes sense.

That's where the problem lies, not the fact that its "different in design" (which, lets be honest it's a cone. You can't change the overall concept for a cone that much)

You have to take into perspective the time period when it was made too though. I think the old cone is a testimony to your long time success as a sparrer while the new cone represents the stricter and more evolved graphics style classic adheres to.

imo, old cone looks far better. the color and shading on the new cone is awful.

Join the team and make better hats then.

The argument about that hat is way over
Leah admitted she was clueless that it was a GST hat - as well as another which was just 4 months prior (which really makes it seem like she doesn't care about the quality of them)

Her friends then proceeded to roleplay as staff for the next 10 pages, which is already what's happening in this thread

On topic though, I don't think we should hold it against iClassic staff for rehashing public hats and stuff like that… They should obviously do what they can to avoid remaking hats too similar to GST hats or other prize/exclusive hats though
For example, the latest news post specifically advertises these Bazaar hats as "limited time" and that can be interpreted two ways:

1. The sensible way: "We won't be remaking hats that are similar to this, so get them now!"
2. The "I'm a ****bag using a technicality but I'm still right" way: "We won't be remaking hats that are of this same lighting perspective and angle in the future, so get them now!"

I think it's beyond time to come up with new item types or prize ideas anyway, if the hat idea tank is so low that this is happening often then maybe it's time to do something else entirely

'and while your at it, can you explain why hat shop updates are bad for the game'*while also making thread moaning about hats* wtf, this guy for real.

It's not even a petty callout though, unfortunately you did a better job of answering the concerns in that thread than she did - she continued to view it, just never thought it was worth responding to?

I remember when Coco was head of GFX staff (rather than an all-around developer, or whatever she is now), she'd actually participate in threads where people had concerns about too-similar 1k hats and stuff like that, and usually at the end of the thread everyone would leave either happy or understanding of her decision. I'm sure that wasn't a requirement, but it's a nice courtesy.

Leah's resolution to David's issue was one reply, some form of this:
When it could have easily been this:
Leah should just hire me as her publicist, I would make her and her graphics look amazing in the public eye as long as we're able to ignore all the hateful rumors about me ^_^

"your post made sense and it was hard to reply to so now i'm going to beat my chest like a gorilla because i no longer hold myself to the standard of having an intelligent conversation"

wp man, thanks for your time

There's nothing wrong with having more animal-themed ears. Tbh, as basic as it sounds, I'd like the gfx team to make a flower crown(like the one on Snapchat) or a leaf crown. I've only seen like 2 hats so far with the same theme, but I think the last one was made 2~3 years ago(?).

I think you're missing the point here, I pay money for gralats to purchase hats, as the person purchasing your product I have the right to be unhappy about the quality of items on offer.

Never said hat updates are bad, I'm asking you why you think they are.

Once again a ******ed response from someone I expected I'd be able to bait that out of.

Like thallen brought up, why would the head of the gfx team not check the servers files to see if a hat similar to the one being reviewed has not already been made, it makes me question whether or not leah actually gives a ****.

To be fair Thallen I understand where your frustration roots from and I would be upset if the same thing would happen to me. I agree with you when you say that Leah should have double checked to see if the hat already existed but I think you're kinda dragging this on a bit. What's done is done and personally I think they should have changed the hat the second something was pointed out, but then again if they did that then they would have to do that for a dozen of other hats and items that I'm sure people complained about during Christmas. However I think this is dragging on a bit and I think what's done is done. And I'm not trying to "role play" as a staff member, I'm giving you an actual response and I'm not trying to start anything. But again I think it's time to stop complaining about this and hopefully it doesn't happen again. Personally I think both sides handled the situation poorly and I don't really have a stance on this since I never wanted to be involved with it in the first place.

I don't understand how my post was ******ed? I actually gave you a legitimate reply that someone of the GFX team could have also easily given. Yes I was being a bit pissy but to be fair you set the tone of the thread and warranted that type of response. But again, if you want to see new and innovative hats on the server, I suggest making a list of your ideas and send them to a GFX staff (you could even post it here) and I'm sure they will appreciate it (I'm not being sarcastic when I say that).

As for the GFX thing I don't really know what happened with that since I don't talk to Leah at all anymore and since it was the holidays I didn't feel like contributing to the **** storm that the previous thread was.

Don't purchase it then?

There are literally hundreds and hundreds of hats, and there is no 'quick lookup' to see if an idea exists. Making sure hat ideas don't exist depends mostly on personal knowledge of hats... So staff trying to remember hundreds of hats made over years of work and staff.

Also you're not being forced to buy these hats so you can easily just save your gralats for later purchases.

I'm not the one that brought it up. Slacky was the one posting about it in this thread. I replied to his comment, and from there Yog went into derail mode. Since then, not a single part of the post has been addressed.

Specifically this:
Option #1 is what any reasonable person expects of a winning GST hat, and option #2 is what David got. Leah acknowledged it and didn't fix her mistake. It's not really an argument. Leah owned up to the mistake yet refused to fix it. Slacky shouldn't have mentioned it if people don't want me being honest and restating it.

Should probably take Dusty off of your ignore list then.

Slacky4head of graphics team. He actually cares about the players, asking for ideas for next seasons gst hats, ect

Quote where Dusty mentions anything on his opinion of respecting the novelty of winners' GST hats, prize hats, or hats advertised as "exclusive"… That's what I'm talking about. His posts are both replies to people complaining about the quality of hats and remakes in general, and I agree with both of his posts so far.

Don't try tagging Dusty in for you just because you tapped out early. He's actually capable of composing himself.

That's an awfully specific thing to look for. He did address the meaning of the post and the OP. I'm sorry it's not the exact answer you wanted.

I didn't even know about the duplicate traffic cone. Disappointing seeing as I own the original, but understandable if the content creator didn't realize it, and probably a tough one to take action on after it has occurred. No judgement from me.

With a growing number of hats and (almost inevitably) duplicates/recolors and whatnot, maybe looking into a small (external, obviously) system like this might be useful to categorize current in-game hats/items so they can be checked over easier before finally publishing them.

Also, if I can put my two cents in for some hat ideas to help out, how about a bowling pin, greaser wig, or a hard hat? Those might be fun, and maybe some others have neat ideas as well.

Posts like this really help me understand the situation from an unbiased viewpoint. Too be fair it's a little too innocent, but I love it. It's a nice break from someone trying to get a rise out of me, making me feel like I have to watch every move I make.

By all means, judge her. She is the GATA. She has to be upheld to some sort of standard, but please please please don't start using personal insults, especially when you don't entirely understand the situation. People are too quick to jump to assumptions.

Thank you. This post is a genuine relief after a ****ty day : )

Bowling pin hat was last Christmas, greaser hat used to be sold in DW hat shop (or was that an Elvis hat?), and I'd be shocked if a hard hat didn't exist.

I understand the OP's concerns; certain hats have been replicated fairly extensively. For certain ones I agree(clown noses, for example, should include a wig or something should they be done again). However certain designs(animal ears, for one) are released almost every year. There isn't anything wrong with that; if anything it lets everyone have a personal crack at the design, and players will choose if they feel it's better/different enough to buy.

Imagine telling all the new players "sucks to be you, cat ears are out of the shop and will never be released again". they're like snapback hats or any other style of cap... They will look similar, there isn't much variation possible there outside of coloration(and whatever logo or letter you add to it).

Wolves are a great theme, I've got two wolf hats and they're very different and are an example of how easy it is to fit multiple hats into different things(the one from fairy tale nexus, which could be my favorite hat ever made, and the one from club crypt).

Overall; certain hats will be remade every year(animal ears, caps, headbands) whereas other hats originality should be fairly simple to maintain. Asking staff to "stop using used designs" is illogical and impossible. However stylistic differences being maintained is should be something staff should be held accountable for.

no pls

Idk why you think we personally insult Leah, I don't even know her. I don't think she's a good GFX admin but that's entirely based on my experience with her doing stuff like this then refusing to answer my PMs in-game about it when I wanted to talk to her.

I won't reply to this thread anymore so that Yog doesn't go full aneurysm mode and die irl over the stress that this forum brings him, idk

There is a miner hat/ hard hat type rps hat on the way to snowtown from onnet forest (you don't need a draisane for it because it's right inside the cave.)

There's always a certain limit with creativity, I personally have nothing against "using an idea" again as long as it isn't a copy of the previous one, e.g. there are different versions of scuba hats, yet the older one is still better imo. I don't see why you would complain about that or you did you ever cry about Nikes Flyknit looking like Adidas' Yeezys?

@Yog;
About that Leah drama, I think it's understandable that she's been doing a mistake, everyone does. I don't demand her to know every single hat file that has been sold/used. However, I think most players are mad about the way she's been dealing with it rather than having her upload it. It was a mistake, yes that's clear BUT you could change the hat after reliasing that you've done a mistake instead of ignoring the issue. Instead, she doesn't seem to care about it; which makes her look a bit arrogant imo.

Maybe she was either AFK or had been spamming by other people and just did /clearpms or skipped them all. Maybe you should e-mail/forum PM her before claiming that she's ignoring you.

I believe there's two.

Repeats are inevitable, but some of the unique ideas should retain their novelty. However, there are plenty of categories that could have endless repeats and recolors with no problem: ball caps, beanies, hats that actually look like hats at all, masks, animal masks, animal ears, headbands.. People have asked for more headbands before, and they dont have to be solid, add a pattern or design (patterns and designs add variety to pretty much any otherwise generic hat).

And Glasses. There arent nearly enough glasses (theres some glasses/sunglasses that are intended to be silly-looking, but not a lot of glasses that are supposed to look like real glasses). And a lot of people want glasses on their custom heads, but that isnt allowed because it's considered a hat (unless that was repealed). So if any certain devs are looking for ideas for content to put in buildings in new areas-- an Optometrist's office that sells glasses and sunglasses hats.

Glasses are allowed on heads but not as shields.

This is what I mean by insults. Grow up.

This thread is putting these guys out of work...


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Smh even they got better hats than us

must spread rep :(

Fair enough for the traffic cone. I mean it's still different enough though that people can see which one is the OG GST hat and which one is the present one, I get that it was David's gimmick but the hats are still different enough that people can obv see the difference.

That said though, when I was staff and constantly trying to push for better GST hats and seeking out feedback, the main response was 'Wings/Accessories/Shane's work' so with this in mind, would people get upset if idk a shop update had wings/clown noses that were revamped despite thats what sparrers were essentially begging for for years? Just my $0.02

And yeah Leah's pretty capable as GATA I never doubted her capability to do the job during my time there, but saying she wasn't aware of the GST prizes was defo a bad move

I think it's more amazing how a single person goes over christmas submissions.
It's hard to believe the entire staff team was unaware of the cone gst hat hence why I make this conclusion

Clsssic just needs to hand out those "hat ticket" things to GST winners like UN had and these problems potentially wouldn't even exist.

In my perspective, I don't think anyone cares about "shop" hats being similar other than Red(thread starter) and a few other players.. So no, I don't think anyone would care if a shop came out with revamped wings/clown noses or any hats with the same themes as already sold hats. As for the GST hats, that's like a whole different topic. They're given as a reward, so most players expect them to be rare/different.