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kenthefruit 03-03-2017 03:22 PM

r u evn vegan ??
 
no but seriously, who here is vegan? it occurred to me that this hasnt actually been asked and im interested to see who in the community is vegan.

perhaps this can lead to some discussion about the veganism movement as well,,, i will convert u all some day :-)

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I've been vegan for over a year now; it was a day or two before Thanksgiving of 2015 and I've never looked back. If you don't know what veganism is, google it! Before I went vegan, i can honestly say I had no idea what was going on and I somehow remained blissfully ignorant to the whole industry that uses and abuses animals to their gain. I don't regret a single thing and I'd be happy to talk to anyone who's been interested in becoming vegan or even vegetarian, what food to eat, what food not to eat, what it is, and why.

Bryan* 03-03-2017 03:25 PM

Not me

Dos 03-03-2017 03:25 PM

i always knew vegans were crazy

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 03:29 PM

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Posted by Bryan* (Post 769125)
Not me

so you know of it, how come?

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Posted by Dos (Post 769126)
i always knew vegans were crazy

explain please,

yes you are correct if you think it's crazy to respect animals and the planet but then im happi to b crazy

Bryan* 03-03-2017 03:38 PM

@Ken

I only went vegan during a 21-Day Cleanse in which I lost 10lbs but other than that I eat healthy with meats. I eat meats that aren't injected with growth hormones or steroids. I know there's greens that can replace my intake of proteins but I just can't go without it.

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 03:42 PM

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Posted by Bryan* (Post 769134)
@Ken

I only went vegan during a 21-Day Cleanse in which I lost 10lbs but other than that I eat healthy with meats. I eat meats that aren't injected with growth hormones or steroids. I know there's greens that can replace my intake of proteins but I just can't go without it.

veganism isnt just about being healthy -- i mean it is in fact healthier but that's not the overall message.

It's about respecting and loving animals, realizing they aren't ours to use and abuse and eat, they have feelings and deserve to live just like you and i. the meat industry, the dairy industry, they're horrid and so gruesome. if it's hard for you to watch the videos, or research, then you shouldn't be giving your money to the industries that are only running because of your dollar. im serious, research it, it's some dark ****.

Elk 03-03-2017 03:43 PM

im on my quest on eating all kinds of meat in this world.

shark and crocodile and kangaroo are really delicious

i respect every animal i devour, just like the ancient hunters when hunting for food

it would take over 1000-1500 years for the people to change this big mess of mass production and even if it stopped, humanity would need to be trained to eat differently

this long because of epigenetics

Basil 03-03-2017 03:46 PM

i eat flesh

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 03:47 PM

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Posted by Elk (Post 769137)
im on my quest on eating all kinds of meat in this world.

shark and crocodile and kangaroo are really delicious

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Posted by Basil (Post 769138)
i eat flesh


ew stop

http://www.peta.org/videos/?category...-animal-rights

http://www.peta.org/videos/?category_name=graphic

click at your own risk but please educate yourself

Bryan* 03-03-2017 03:49 PM

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Posted by Elk (Post 769137)
im on my quest on eating all kinds of meat in this world.

shark and crocodile and kangaroo are really delicious

i respect every animal i devour, just like the ancient hunters when hunting for food

it would take over 1000-1500 years for the people to change this big mess of mass production and even if it stopped, humanity would need to be trained to eat differently

this long because of epigenetics

Amen

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 03:54 PM

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Posted by Elk (Post 769137)
i respect every animal i devour, just like the ancient hunters when hunting for food

it would take over 1000-1500 years for the people to change this big mess of mass production and even if it stopped, humanity would need to be trained to eat differently

this long because of epigenetics

you dont respect an animal when you eat it, not only is it not ancient times (meat is not essential to surviving), you're paying a corrupt industry to mass slaughter the animals you crave to eat.

every movement starts somewhere, veganism has grown so incredibly fast, it doesn't matter if it takes time to change the corrupt meat and dairy industries- everything starts somewhere.

Dos 03-03-2017 03:58 PM

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Posted by ken the fruiterer (Post 769128)
so you know of it, how come?



explain please,

yes you are correct if you think it's crazy to respect animals and the planet but then im happi to b crazy

I respect you guys and all, but I don't approve of some of you(not all) with PETA, anti hunting, etc

Especially if you're so radical about it

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 04:01 PM

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Posted by Dos (Post 769144)
I respect you guys and all, but I don't approve of some of you(not all) with PETA, anti hunting, etc

PETA is not the vegan community, what they do does not reflect it. I like PETA, many hate PETA. I like PETA for their message of animal rights and they go about it in a way that catches your attention, which it needs to. I don't agree with everything they do, but I respect them as an organization and what they stand for. They are the largest non-profit organization for veganism and animal rights so I stand by them.

(also hunting for sport is not ok so like .>..>>.)

SomeGuy 03-03-2017 04:03 PM

Its a life cycle. An animal must live. Animals in Africa all eat eachother, so whats wrong with eating cows? Its normal.

Basil 03-03-2017 04:04 PM

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Posted by SomeGuy (Post 769146)
Its a life cycle. An animal must live. Animals in Africa all eat eachother, so whats wrong with eating cows? Its normal.

are you a cannibal ???

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 04:04 PM

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Posted by SomeGuy (Post 769146)
Its a life cycle. An animal must live. Animals in Africa all eat eachother, so whats wrong with eating cows? Its normal.

omg lol. sorry i couldnt stop from laughing.

“The Circle of Life argument simply doesn’t take into account the brutal and completely unnatural way in which meat, eggs, and dairy are produced on the overwhelming majority of modern farms.”

read up, please. http://www.veganfuturenow.com/its-the-circle-of-life/

Dos 03-03-2017 04:04 PM

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Posted by ken the fruiterer (Post 769145)
PETA is not the vegan community, what they do does not reflect it. I like PETA, many hate PETA. I like PETA for their message of animal rights and they go about it in a way that catches your attention, which it needs to. I don't agree with everything they do, but I respect them as an organization and what they stand for. They are the largest non-profit organization for veganism and animal rights so I stand by them.

(also hunting for sport is not ok so like .>..>>.)

Hunting as a sport as a sport isn't okay?

I mean I've got no defense against it but I'll keep doing it as long as I can. I'm not sure what your opinion of overpopulation is... Especially of deer. Hell, my family can't even have a garden without it getting destroyed by deer.

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 04:08 PM

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Posted by Dos (Post 769152)
Hunting as a sport as a sport isn't okay?

I mean I've got no defense against it but I'll keep doing it as long as I can.

and the more power to you, until you realize the wrong you're doing, I can't say anything to argue you either. this is when morals come into account, you just have a different perspective but you can't say hunting is humane nor a necessity in any way.

but here i guess, http://www.petakids.com/save-animals/hunting/

Sardon 03-03-2017 04:11 PM

meat is good

I eat good food that isn't mass produced so veganism is pointless in my opinion.
Im from an italian family so the idea of not eating cheese or sausage seems impossible

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 04:12 PM

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Posted by Sardon (Post 769155)
meat is good

I eat good food that isn't mass produced so veganism is pointless in my opinion.
Im from an italian family so the idea of not eating cheese or sausage seems impossible

im half italian so that argument is irrelevant.

also, veganism isnt just about the mass slaughter of animals, it's about realizing animals have feelings, emotions, and the right to live their lives the same as you and i. so again, "eating good food that isnt mass produced" doesnt matter

Bryan* 03-03-2017 04:26 PM

Trees and plants help us breathe, you're slaughtering a resource of ours! Damn you vegans!!

Adrian 03-03-2017 04:27 PM

YEES <3

5hift 03-03-2017 04:41 PM

I'm a meatatarian.

People have been abusing plants for far too long so I decided to cut fruits and vegetables from my diet because plants lives matter.


Shmegg 03-03-2017 04:52 PM

a vegan killed my father

Sig. 03-03-2017 05:02 PM

You're the reason why vegetarians are a joke. I totally get it if you're against abusing animals but you can't say anything about organic meat as the animals aren't being abused or fed with mass pharmaceutical so what do you have against it? You claimed that they have a right to live their lifes. As what do you define life? As the ability to do segmentation?

And stop using PETA as a source, its propaganda is as good as Germanys during 1933

Pr0m4N V.14 03-03-2017 05:04 PM

I live off of mini wheats.

Basil 03-03-2017 05:16 PM

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Posted by Shmegg (Post 769162)
a vegan killed my father

please change your avatar.. it reminds me of the unfortunate events of march 2nd..


to stay on topic,, is it true that vegans eat 'artificial meat' ?

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 05:19 PM

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Posted by Sig. (Post 769164)
You're the reason why vegetarians are a joke. I totally get it if you're against abusing animals but you can't say anything about organic meat as the animals aren't being abused or fed with mass pharmaceutical so what do you have against it? You claimed that they have a right to live their lifes. As what do you define life? As the ability to do segmentation?

And stop using PETA as a source, its propaganda is as good as Germanys during 1933

LOL, please tell me you didn't just say they aren't abused. Because murdering an animal is humane correct ?

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Posted by Adrian (Post 769158)
YEES <3

bless your soul

PigParty 03-03-2017 05:19 PM

I love my meat...

I don't get why people would criticize someone for caring about animals enough to completely stop eating them and honestly people should give you props because you're better than us.

I'm very strongly for animals' rights. However, I couldn't give up meat. I oppose inhumane treatment of animals. I like range free eggs and other similar practices that are more humane. But for me, the food chain is the food chain and that's just the circle of life. I don't think rats should be killed or mistreated, but when they start trying to get into my house, I won't hestitate to lay down poison.

Foxmon 03-03-2017 05:27 PM

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Posted by Elk (Post 769137)
im on my quest on eating all kinds of meat in this world.

shark and crocodile and kangaroo are really delicious

i respect every animal i devour, just like the ancient hunters when hunting for food

it would take over 1000-1500 years for the people to change this big mess of mass production and even if it stopped, humanity would need to be trained to eat differently

this long because of epigenetics

I ate bear once, wasn't so good that I would recommend it, however whale is so delicious when barbequed...

Sig. 03-03-2017 05:33 PM

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Posted by ken the fruiterer (Post 769170)
LOL, please tell me you didn't just say they aren't abused. Because murdering an animal is humane correct ?

There is a difference between killing them without causing pain and beating them up till they die. And I was talking about the physically abuse, animals for production do get objectified and I personally don't see anything against (once more; as long as they don't get harmed in any way).

And just to keep it on your level - why don't you count plants as living things? According to the main points of the definition of life they do have a metabolism, run mutual reactions with their enviroment as well as running a homeostasis, reproduce and register chimical changes in their enviroment. So why do you decide to kill plants - is that humane for you? And besides, unlike most animals, they're mandatory for us to live, especially alga. :)

Snow Noob 03-03-2017 05:39 PM

Am mostly vegetarian, we can be best pals.

Only for the reason though as I don't want to support the inhumane treatment and killing of animals on most of the farms that provide meat to massive companies. My boyfriend and family are not vegetarian and I don't hold that against them, I just ask that they use organic meats from farms that are certified good living conditions.

It's been hard for me to stop eating meat, because everyone in my family is so into it and there have been times where I've ate dinner with them just because I don't want them to waste it on holiday or something. So, I'm definitely not a model vegetarian or anything.

The most important thing to me is that the animals have a happy life and don't suffer. At the very least though if someone who buys or makes me food doesn't know I'm vegetarian trying to cut out meat, I'm not going to waste it. I've seen many vegans/vegetarians who order food and the restaurant accidentally brings them out the meat anyways and then the person sends it back. At that point it makes me sad, because even then you've just wasted a life since that restaurant has to throw it away.

So far though I've cut down a lot on eating meat and intend to wean it out completely. It's made me happier and feel better morally about myself and I think that's one of the most important things - that we're happy with ourselves.

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 06:12 PM

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Posted by Sig. (Post 769175)
There is a difference between killing them without causing pain and beating them up till they die. And I was talking about the physically abuse, animals for production do get objectified and I personally don't see anything against (once more; as long as they don't get harmed in any way).

And just to keep it on your level - why don't you count plants as living things? According to the main points of the definition of life they do have a metabolism, run mutual reactions with their enviroment as well as running a homeostasis, reproduce and register chimical changes in their enviroment. So why do you decide to kill plants - is that humane for you? And besides, unlike most animals, they're mandatory for us to live, especially alga. :)

plants are living things, they just don't feel pain considering the fact that they don't have nervous systems. when did i say they weren't living?

there is no "humane" way going about killing animals. im sorry cant argue it. but this thread wasnt meant to be an argument, it was supposed to be informative and seeing who else is vegan in the community. if you arent even remotely interested in veganism, why are you on this thread?

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For those of you interested in veganism even a little bit or want to know more about it feel free to post and I'll inform you. Reasons to go vegan, why you should, how you should, and what it's like. or if you are vegan i'd love to know your experience with foods and how long and such. those who aren't, tell me why and I'd like to inform you otherwise, but let's not make it an argument, thanks.

PigParty 03-03-2017 06:14 PM

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Posted by Snow Noob (Post 769176)
The most important thing to me is that the animals have a happy life and don't suffer. At the very least though if someone who buys or makes me food doesn't know I'm vegetarian trying to cut out meat, I'm not going to waste it. I've seen many vegans/vegetarians who order food and the restaurant accidentally brings them out the meat anyways and then the person sends it back. At that point it makes me sad, because even then you've just wasted a life since that restaurant has to throw it away.

That's how I feel, except I still eat meat. Reminds me of the days of native americans and tribes. They only killed what they had to and they ate all of it. Left no waste behind.

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 06:16 PM

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Posted by PigParty (Post 769181)
That's how I feel, except I still eat meat. Reminds me of the days of native americans and tribes. They only killed what they had to and they ate all of it. Left no waste behind.

I get where you're coming from, but we live in the 21st century where this lifestyle isn't necessary to living. Not only is the whole industry corrupt and dark in and of itself, the animals are harmed and murdered, and the world is becoming damaged more and more every day by it. there's a solution, stop eating meat, dairy; go vegan and live a healthy and satisfying lifestyle without doing harm to others or the environment.

the only excuse for not going vegan is if you don't care what goes on, or you "can't live without meat" to the point of remaining blissfully ignorant. change your attitude: change your life for the better

5hift 03-03-2017 06:18 PM

There is no afterlife for animals.

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 06:20 PM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 769184)
There is no afterlife for animals.

not factual, or relevant. rather, the life they're living on this planet is what matters. the hell they live through and experience, the circumstances they are put into. whether or not there is no afterlife is extremely irrelevant to much of anything

Sardon 03-03-2017 06:33 PM

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Posted by ken the fruiterer (Post 769156)
im half italian so that argument is irrelevant.

also, veganism isnt just about the mass slaughter of animals, it's about realizing animals have feelings, emotions, and the right to live their lives the same as you and i. so again, "eating good food that isnt mass produced" doesnt matter

I don't care about animals
When they die in movies I don't even blink
I just want them to survive so they can make more of eachother so I can eat them

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Posted by 5hift (Post 769160)
I'm a meatatarian.

People have been abusing plants for far too long so I decided to cut fruits and vegetables from my diet because plants lives matter.

Agreed but we shouldn't kill anything at all infact we should all become aquatarian

Regius M. 03-03-2017 06:39 PM

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Posted by Sardon (Post 769186)
Agreed but we shouldn't kill anything at all infact we should all become aquatarian

But that harms Water :(

Sardon 03-03-2017 07:04 PM

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Posted by Regius M. (Post 769188)
But that harms Water :(

**** this I'm moving to Africa

kenthefruit 03-03-2017 07:10 PM

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Posted by Sardon (Post 769186)
I don't care about animals
When they die in movies I don't even blink
I just want them to survive so they can make more of eachother so I can eat them

then why are you here

Fulgore 03-03-2017 07:17 PM

Tell you what. You do whatever you do, and don't try and "convert" the rest of us who were minding our own business, guy.

Snow Noob 03-03-2017 07:22 PM

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 769198)
Tell you what. You do whatever you do, and don't try and "convert" the rest of us who were minding our own business, guy.

He's not trying to "convert" anyone. He simply made this thread so that people who were interested could talk about it and help each other out.

His comment about "converting u all" was, I feel like, obviously a joke. If he wants to talk about being vegan and what it means to him then why can't he?

Fulgore 03-03-2017 07:29 PM

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Posted by Snow Noob (Post 769203)
He's not trying to "convert" anyone. He simply made this thread so that people who were interested could talk about it and help each other out.

His comment about "converting u all" was, I feel like, obviously a joke. If he wants to talk about being vegan and what it means to him then why can't he?

"the only excuse for not going vegan is if you don't care what goes on, or you "can't live without meat" to the point of remaining blissfully ignorant. change your attitude: change your life for the better"

Just expressing what it means to him huh

Snow Noob 03-03-2017 07:40 PM

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 769205)
"the only excuse for not going vegan is if you don't care what goes on, or you "can't live without meat" to the point of remaining blissfully ignorant. change your attitude: change your life for the better"

Just expressing what it means to him huh

"Trees and plants help us breathe, you're slaughtering a resource of ours! Damn you vegans!!" Just minding their own business huh

He made a thread looking to talk to people who are vegan/vegetarian or looking to become so and literally the first post someone made was, "not me."

If you do not agree or are not interested in the topic of the thread then why post?

5hift 03-03-2017 07:44 PM

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Posted by Snow Noob (Post 769207)
He made a thread looking to talk to people who are vegan/vegetarian or looking to become so and literally the first post someone made was, "not me."

If you do not agree or are not interested in the topic of the thread then why post?

Because everyone has a right to voice their opinions, not just the people who he's addressed this thread too.

Also I love ****in with people who sound hella condescending to others just because they do something differently.

I've got no problem with vegans or vegetarians but when you go out of your way to make it sound like anyone who isn't apart of your gay little group is inferior to you then I just can't help myself.

So tonight Ima order a nice prime steak to celebrate the occasion of not giving a **** about anything according to the guy who knows nothing about me.

Snow Noob 03-03-2017 07:50 PM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 769209)
Because everyone has a right to voice their opinions, not just the people who he's addressed this thread too.

Also I love ****in with people who sound hella condescending to others just because they do something differently.

I've got no problem with vegans or vegetarians but when you go out of your way to make it sound like anyone who isn't apart of your gay little group is inferior to you then I can't just help myself.

People have the right to voice their own opinions, but it's gotten to the point on this thread where people are just making jokes or posting irrelevant things. Also, on the topic of people having the right to post their opinions then why can't Ken post his opinions? Why are you all bashing him for it?

Even in my original post I mention my family not being interested and me not holding it against them. So I don't really see where I'm being "hella condescending."

Fulgore's original post was irrelevant and unnecessary.

5hift 03-03-2017 07:58 PM

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Posted by Snow Noob (Post 769211)
People have the right to voice their own opinions, but it's gotten to the point on this thread where people are just making jokes or posting irrelevant things. Also, on the topic of people having the right to post their opinions then why can't Ken post his opinions? Why are you all bashing him for it?

Even in my original post I mention my family not being interested and me not holding it against them. So I don't really see where I'm being "hella condescending."

Fulgore's original post was irrelevant and unnecessary.

Welcome to graalians, can I take your order?

And jokes or not, its their input. You can decide for yourself whether to take them seriously or just pay attention to the people who actually give a **** which is probably very few considering those who eat meat don't give a **** about anything.

Fysez 03-03-2017 08:01 PM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 769209)
So tonight Ima order a nice prime steak to celebrate the occasion of not giving a **** about anything according to the guy who knows nothing about me.

I'm eating some tender abused chicken as we speak. Nom nom

tricklebean 03-03-2017 08:14 PM

Meat is so nice. I love how the succulent juices dribble onto the chopping board as you cut the freshly, grilled meat. The amazing sensation as the dead animal meat enters your mouth and begins to melt is amazing. You chew on the fibres and it explodes with flavour. As you dip the meat in barque sauce, you can just about see the lovely juicy flesh on the inside. You carry on chewing, knowing the meat came from a succulent, fat cow. Its painful, agonising death was worth this flavour.


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