Graal Rumors
 

I hear that the GST will be combined into one division. What I mean is that there may be no more mixed and idevice divisions for gst, just one plain gst for ALL devices. Is dis true?

Can't think of any reasoning for merging the tournaments.

Although it would be interesting to see the best idev teams beat every pc team that isn't Alumni/ULTRA

The change will make sense with the way guilds will be working when it does happen, not like they just randomly decided to merge the two together.

How can you be so certain that the GST will have a direct correlation with the 'NGS' point/score system?

The same question can be raised about pking, bking and sparring contributing to the 'NGS.' I don't think Fp4 has publicly confirmed any of this. All unlikely hypotheticals imo

If they just wanted to make it a single tournament and it had no correlation with the NGS then they wouldn't be waiting all this time to release it when NGS is out.

I'm just gunna guess you haven't read any of the NGS threads, the roster size is being increased and a points system is being added where each individual member can contribute points, kicking members/using temporary members will bring some form of punishment (losing points most likely) as the whole point is to promote guild loyalty and overall activity in the game outside of towering and guild dedication.

There's no other reason they would be changing the guild system, and taking this long to do so.

Haven't read that thread.

It's an unofficial forum and half of the ideas that they post won't be implemented. I'm positive you can find other examples.

-2015:

I'd say their word is official considering they develop the game lol, who's to say GST hats won't be removed come NGS?

NGS had been on the update queue before that post was made, he never provided a specific date.

Like I said, if there was absolutely no correlation between NSG and the single 64-team tournament they wouldn't be waiting to release it alongside NGS.

Why the GST should be left untouched when the NGS is implemented:

-Would be lopsided and the same guild would take home the 1st place points every season...
-Not every guild member is deserving of the 1st place points in a guild that wins.
-Since guild loyalty is promoted and you can't recruit outsiders to improve, the same outcome will occur.
-No g-sparrer that isn't already top 10-20 has improved in 2 years, so recruiting would be necessary- you then get punished for that?
-GS activeness would drop from GST month to GST week. No reward=no motivation.
-5/25 (5/50?) members can actually spar? lol fun
-The GST right now would still be more fun than the NGS (in the long term.) No need for change

Lol? The likelihood of 64 NGS guilds existing is 0. A 64 team tournament when I doubt there will be more than 10 active NGS guilds. If only 5/25 will spar (or 50) then the remaining members create new guilds just to participate in this 'guild loyalty' tournament, kinda defeats the purpose of linking the NGS to the GST.

25 vs 25, make it happen

The most rational explanation for combining the tournaments is so that NGS guilds don't feel pressured to recruit 14 out of 50? roster spots dedicating to a tournament that happens four times a year. However, I feel like having only 7 out of 50? participating in a GST is going to create a weird GST atmosphere anyway. 43 other people aren't going to be humble enough to just sit out, so it's either going to encourage new and temporary guilds specifically for the GST (which is the exact problem the NGS should be fixing) or it's going to leave people feeling unhappy. I'm not really sure how the best way to handle it would be.

Just a note that you wouldn't get punished for recruiting them, you'd get punished for recruiting them, using them, and then kicking them (or having them leave) afterward, as should be the case.

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Gst shouldn't be linked with the NGS, they shouldn't make "guild points" as a reward for gst. Otherwise, half of those "50" players gonna be gsing in belle/ba which will effect the daily points of the guild. Also, it's going to be awkward when you only pick 7 members even tho some others practiced in ba/belle too. We should just stick to our gst guilds and the rewards should stay the same. Plus, this will make less gst guilds submissions since there will be only few NGS guilds with 50 members (you can only submit one team) I doubt you will get 64 submissions. Allowing the NGS guilds to submit 2 teams at once could also be an issue, because obviously you'll have the strong team and the weak team. But it's going to be better than having one submission from each guild. You can place the first submission in the first 32 guilds brackets and the second submission in the other 32 guilds brackets.

Edit: sticking to 2 gsts ( idev and mixed) will have the same result/effects as submitting two teams in one guild for one Gst.

You could enter without having 50 members, just being awarded points would be useless.

They would of looked at this from every angle and found something that made sense and worked well.

Wow it's almost like you can't just plan your recruitment process to recruit different people who are interested in different activities to avoid issues like these

Lol, don't act like this isn't already the case
You clearly don't understand the point of the system, everyone makes individual contributions and people who do so through spar are just doing theirs.
What do you mean 'necessary'? Just have people practice more and get better, where's your logic here?
Again lol, this 'activity' is people sparring, getting high points(or boosting) and stopping, then sparring only in places like Delta Island, nothing is going to change.
Plan your recruitment process? Not all 50 people are going to want to spar, the point is to gather people who are interested in different activities of the game.
Can't say this until you've tried it.

doesn't matter all of this was supposed to happen in january 2016 and we're still talking about it like it's coming out next week

Colin as someone who doesn't participate in GST, you have a tendency to pretend you are experienced in it´s development. Competition is evolving naturally, you can´t force who will take the belt

It do solve things, if NGS guilds and GST guilds were separated and yet you can still gain points to your NGS guild by guild sparring.

It isn't complicated, why ruin something that barely needs to be fixed? and this way almost everyone will acknowledge NGS


That do be cool tho

Never said you could or even said anything remotely related to this, in fact, the only thing regarding competition I told Darkk was to have people practice more and get better at guild sparring, or 'evolving' as you put it.

My whole post isn't even regarding GST as a whole, just how GST could work with the NGS primarily focusing on the NGS aspect, which is common sense and not something you need several belts to understand so I don't understand your post at all.

We aren't here to debate whether or not it's going to happen, it's been stated it will so all I'm doing is trying to explain how the changes aren't as bad as they are claiming.

Yah I said that, maybe next time read my post before addressing me.

Your guild deserves the points if they win, nothing unfair about that.

props on all this new guild system ideas, again who's making the decisions here primary sparrers or staff. :giggle:

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This was something I remember discussing with a few friends. The solution I came up with is that the guild that wins will be allowed to donate the points to whichever guild they choose (I also imagined a condition that one of your members would have to be in the guild you choose to donate to). This solution seems like it would fix the large drop in competition that would result from the GST giving out guild points.

Without a solution like this a guild would want to keep the 43 members that aren't on the team out of the tournament in case they were to lose to them. Having 43 members sit out of the GST seems like a disgusting reality to me, and something that would kinda ruin the culture around the GST. But this solution, the donation, seems like it would solve all of those issues. As a leader you would want to have as many members as you can compete, to increase your chances of winning the prize. Temporary tags would still be created, but that is unavoidable if you want to not destroy competition in its current format. However, this could suffer from arguments of who the points should go to (I would imagine that choice would be made pre-tournament, though)

Another option could be to have to the individual members earn points, and not the tags they use. So the 7 winning members would get to choose where their points go, instead of having all the points be allocated altogether. This would remove the possibility of disputes and arguments over which guild gets the points. My only concerns would be that, in this option, guilds could have members forfeit because the opposing team has more members of their actual NGS guild than they do.

Has anyone else come up with ideas for a solution to the participation issue?

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Because the GST requires more skill in comparison to an activity like pking that you could be effective at if you shut your eyes and aimlessly tornado spam...

Again, no one has really improved in the last 2 years man. For example, you see VIS and Male members GS all season, I'll come back after not sparring for 2 months and still be clearly better than all of them (no offence.) If my NGS guild lost a GST, I'd rather bank on kicking one for room (getting punished?) and recruiting an already established outside talent instead of using the exact same team

The GST will remain Graal's only competitive aspect. The NGS competitiveness will die off after a season or so. it's cool tho, lets exclude 45/50 from sparring lol... Or let them enter on a different tag. So much for the guild loyalty system

I've pked up to 200k, towered for 7-10 1k hats and entered 14 GSTs. The GSTs are 10x more fun for me. I'm positive this applies for the majority of the spar community.


The first thing Saeed has stated that is even remotely accurate... The GST will have the same result, Male will never win lolll

Jimbo as someone who has never beat a relevant team in a GST and has entered for 4 years, with only one 3rd place placement to show for it, you have a tendency to pretend you are relevant in the GST/ spar community.

No need to call Colin out, he's raising valid points and creating a healthy debate (until you brought you're cancerous attitude here)

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U started all those rumors, didnt you xd. And damn, i had no idea you would be so self-deprecating...

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Must spread rep. :(

Just went through your cringe/made up facts and I have only done 5-6 GST in total, Rexxx has done 4 or 5

ahh when I've only ever done one gst (mixed, for fun with friends) and do better than Jimbo has for his "5-6" attempts

I think we'll have to wait until the change happens to fully understand it, it could even have rules like requiring a certain number of Mixed/iDevice players, idk, we don't have an idea of how it works until it's out

you could enter with any guild, and I can see that happening, but no one's sure if hats will be discontinued or not, will just be about winning rights and the belt I guess, which I'm sure most active GSers would love even without a hat

Yeah just like you don't VPN lol... You can only fool yourself.

So guilds are created with the sole purpose to enter the GST, the tag won't be used again and if they potentially win they would gain the points (to a guild that isn't involved in the NGS.) This defeats the purpose of combing the GST and NGS. End of discussion

The only thing wrong with the GST is how literally every guild recruits outsiders in order to gain points. The most suitable way to fix this would be implementing some system that only allows core and sub members to gain points for the guild. Then again this is unfair for the guilds that had to disband and recreate a guild because their points were insufficient when sparring with cores...

Not really, GST would just be a extra activity to get points (if that's how it will work, we don't know) so if they win they get points, if not, they don't get points. That's completely fine.

Almost everyone who would actually win is in an NGS guild though, and were recruited as sparrers, so it wouldn't bother the guilds if those people entered.

He placed on his first attempt...

The "skill ceiling" for the iDevice side of the GST is so low anyway, you really expect jimbo to beat Sarah and Abood?

(I'm not including you in this for reasons)

I'm curious dark, do you actually think male or vis will ever beat the team you used for 7ives, at this point you're farming belts from idiots who use a different core every gst. (sounds familiar)

-I beat vis with nattie, sour, kawu etc, and I got 3/4 (4/4?) mvps vs Male (in RD and 7ives.) I'm evidently better

-If I wasn't on 7ives in their first win, averaging 9 hits vs Male idk if they advance to the finals. Anyways its a team effort, stay jealous

-Red's obviously salty that he hasn't placed once as a core in how many years? I guess riding prime for apostles 3rd place sub hats is satisfying lol

If guilds have 50 members then guilds should also be able to register multiple teams for the same tournament. Then each guild could have potentially 7 different teams(if their guild score qualifies for GST).
Example: say BlackGuard does GST, Primetime + his Sith friends would register Blackguard and then they have the option to add 1 of 7 teams. the first team added will be called BlackGuard by default, then if they add more teams they would have to give the team a name that isnt already a guild registered for GST.

BlackGuard could then have 7 teams (example) #1BlackGuard(inco idevice team?) #2Sith(PC Blackguard members) #3 BG Pkers(pkers from blackguard who are interested in doing gst) #4 BG BKers(black guard bkers who are interested in doing gst) ect ect

Therefore if one guild qualifies for GST, then 7 teams from that guild are technically qualified aswell.

If one of those teams wins they can Announce "BlackGuards' Sith has won the GST".

I think its a good idea but everybody on graalians can suck my nuts because you're gunna disagree with anything I have to say lmao

Make use of the war room in the arena...25 v 25 or 50 v 50. Best guild wins.

I never said or mentioned that I was jealous or salty, I was asking a normal question. It's funny how you get so defensive over an average question.

this wouldn't work anyways

Just give the winning guild the points and the people who partcipated and placed/won the gst a hat tbh

In what kind of normal question do you call people "idiots" lol?

Anyones capable of winning

coming from the guy claiming my jimbo thread is immature while making fun of jimbo, I understand it's hard for you to actually process questions.

Graal Rumors
 

There was a rumor that a new guild system would be released soon!

*names thread Graal Rumors in a subforum for a specific graal server*

*the thread becomes another argument about sparring and gst*

Maybe because the OP specifically asked about a rumor regarding GST and nothing else????

hey to be fair the thread could have been named "Gst Rumor" or something like that.

yeah the title needs to be 100% accurate because we're all incapable of reading the opening post of the thread and just want to complain about the sparring community every chance we get

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