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WaFFL3Cake 08-13-2017 05:46 PM

The Way to Fix Zone
 
FOR THE PLAYERS
1. Everyone agrees to hop off of Zone for a solid 3-4 months.
Go outside, hang out with a friend, call your Aunt who you haven't talked to in 7 years.

2. If you're emotionally attached to Zone and can't leave it for even a single day, think long and hard about if you're skilled enough to help develop for it.
If so, get hired and make sure that you're working on quality content that will help improve the game.

If not, face the facts, you are useless. But you can always go shoot em up on Era or Ol' West.
3. When coming back to Zone after your hiatus, the developers hopefully will have made some big changes that will better Zone. Be open minded and also, think about why you play Zone. The reasons why you play will help you to respond to the changes in a constructive manner.
Don't be a d***.

4. Repeat.

FOR THE DEVELOPERS
1. You are a team, realize that. If the case goes a little like this: The person(s) in charge are the ones calling all the shots, no 'if's, 'and's, or 'but's, then put pressure on them. Threaten to quit. You are most likely a volunteer, so you should have a say in what gets put into the game. More times than not, the things that a team comes up with together are MUCH, MUCH better than whatever the head honcho solely comes up with.
Follow through! If it's clear that you can't change anything, then leave. Don't say you will and then stick around. That's just weak.

2. Set up a time to meet, discuss what problems YOU think Zone has, address the main issues that the PLAYERS have, and come up with SOLUTIONS for them. It's important that you get your priorities in check so that the most important things actually come to fruition.
Graphics for gameplay > tileset > cosmetics

3. Hire people who are willing to put some real effort into the game. Fill them in on the team's gameplan and be open to their ideas too.
This leads into the next point...

4. Remember that meeting that was held? Hold regularly scheduled meetings to make sure that everyone is on task, and if you or the new guy has a really good idea, see if it fits in with the current plan.
If so, celebrate!
If not, make adjustments!
5. Repeat.

Ethacon 08-13-2017 07:53 PM

but there is only one dev and two coders lol.

(one one gani, and one levels so far but I think they are trying to hire for gani)

(no sfx but thats not important atm or maybe never idk)

(and of course there is a ton of gfx and zone patrol)

It would probably help a lot if they got a couple more devs hired and maybe a coder.

PigParty 08-13-2017 09:48 PM

how to fix zone in 2 easy steps:

copy classic

paste

Agonee 08-13-2017 09:56 PM

how to fix zone in 1 easy step :

delete

HamStarr 08-13-2017 10:56 PM

If this is the game plan that will save Zone, then it better ****ing work.

Ethacon 08-13-2017 11:56 PM

Quote:

Posted by PigParty (Post 792956)
how to fix zone in 2 easy steps:

copy classic

paste

step 3: rename zone to "Graalonline Classic (1)"

WaFFL3Cake 08-14-2017 02:09 PM

Quote:

Posted by ethacon (Post 792970)
step 2: rename zone to "Graalonline Classic (1)"

You mean step 3

G Fatal 08-14-2017 04:00 PM

Necessarily they don’t have to do anything...as long as they have players playing and spending money on game unix can continue to run the server and have profit -even if alot less than he’s possibly making on the other servers.


Zone’s a lost cause that doesn’t need fixing as such-as it works even though it’s not that great in comparison toothers.. but it needs improving in all areas and management who can guide a team well and gets quality rather than hiring the next man.

WaFFL3Cake 08-15-2017 01:08 AM

Quote:

Posted by G Fatal (Post 793009)
Necessarily they don’t have to do anything...as long as they have players playing and spending money on game unix can continue to run the server and have profit -even if alot less than he’s possibly making on the other servers.


Zone’s a lost cause that doesn’t need fixing as such-as it works even though it’s not that great in comparison toothers.. but it needs improving in all areas and management who can guide a team well and gets quality rather than hiring the next man.

Portha's reason to continue Graal is so he can make money, but people volunteer for their own reasons. I wouldn't say that the developers wouldn't have to do anything. If they feel that way, I think they're honestly just stupid.

The Doctor 08-16-2017 03:36 AM

While working on a dev team, I noticed that there was no workflow management. I feel as if tools such as Jira were implemented, much more work would be accomplished.

List 08-18-2017 05:30 AM

We need to make the game fun. If it's fun to play, then people will stay to play it, and the player count will rise.

Right now, how it goes is that a noob will download the game, and then more than likely quit, because its either boring, they get confused, etc. If it's fun, people will play it more, get hooked, and become a active player. And thats what we need. Exposure.


Because when we get exposure, we get more people that (hopefully) are skilled and sign up for admin, making zone a better game with better admins. Which in turn allows more content, which brings in new players, and the cycle repeats. That's what I see.

Sorry if im wrong about any of this, its just how i see this all, and my proposal to a possible solution.


TL;DR: Make the game fun so people dont quit. This could get zone more devs to work on the game, and make it more fun for the players.

Ethacon 08-18-2017 04:49 PM

Tbh Era Zone and olwest are all like this because you get thrown in the game with crappy weapons and you can't get anywhere without some good player pelting you with bullets from an OP gun and the jobs have little payout so it takes forever to get better weapons unless someone just so happens to be generous enough to donate to you at the trade tables.

HamStarr 08-19-2017 12:02 AM

Hey, kiddos!
Do you HATE when those bullies pelt you with their hurtful words and boomsticks on Era, Zone, and Ol' West?

Play Classic instead! We offer these features below:
  • No overpowered guns or explosives: our swords, shields, bombs and arrows are completely for cosmetics! The only way to be powerful is to have skill!
  • Multiple tasks you can partake in for some hard earned cash! Go underwater for some loot, take a bounty and capture things, hunt around for bug to catch, or farm tall grass and bushes!
  • A large server capacity of almost 5000 players to hang out with!
  • Holiday events with special quests to do!
  • Loads and loads and LOADS of hats, accessories, bodies, AND heads to wear: including your own custom ones!
  • Create a guild and recruit up to 25 members to go on massacres and sparing tournaments!
  • A great way to friends with everyone from around the globe!
  • A Nexus with a theme from every 9 months to a year!
  • Build a house and decorate it with furniture for your friends to hangout!

What are you waiting for, kiddos? Try it out today!
Take notes, Era/Zone/Ol' West. You might just learn something.

WaFFL3Cake 08-19-2017 09:28 PM

Quote:

Posted by List (Post 793366)
We need to make the game fun. If it's fun to play, then people will stay to play it, and the player count will rise.

Make the game fun so people dont quit.

Ultimately yes, but it's not that simple.
I think Zone has had a lot of new managers recently, so the best way to go is if they had a plan and the new manager would stick to the team's plan. Or promote a current dev to be the next manager.

List 08-20-2017 01:29 AM

Quote:

Posted by HamStarr (Post 793434)
Hey, kiddos!
Do you HATE when those bullies pelt you with their hurtful words and boomsticks on Era, Zone, and Ol' West?

Play Classic instead! We offer these features below:
  • No overpowered guns or explosives: our swords, shields, bombs and arrows are completely for cosmetics! The only way to be powerful is to have skill!
  • Multiple tasks you can partake in for some hard earned cash! Go underwater for some loot, take a bounty and capture things, hunt around for bug to catch, or farm tall grass and bushes!
  • A large server capacity of almost 5000 players to hang out with!
  • Holiday events with special quests to do!
  • Loads and loads and LOADS of hats, accessories, bodies, AND heads to wear: including your own custom ones!
  • Create a guild and recruit up to 25 members to go on massacres and sparing tournaments!
  • A great way to friends with everyone from around the globe!
  • A Nexus with a theme from every 9 months to a year!
  • Build a house and decorate it with furniture for your friends to hangout!

What are you waiting for, kiddos? Try it out today!
Take notes, Era/Zone/Ol' West. You might just learn something.


half of these are in other graals just not used as good as classic does. but yes, if the other servers had this the game would be way better.

PigParty 08-22-2017 01:41 PM

classic is straight up better than any other server could dream of being

they're competitive while every other server gives a false sense of competition. Classic is straight skill. No one has an advantage over another. Zone has ****ed up the core element of the game, and that's competition. Therefore Zone's ****ed without other content (which it doesn't have and never will).

GenoIndeed 08-29-2017 12:31 PM

Hi guys, its me again

Weeno 08-29-2017 10:52 PM

Quote:

Posted by GenoIndeed (Post 794465)
Hi guys, its me again

Just saying but dragun got fired sooooo

PigParty 08-30-2017 01:03 AM

Guns Admins = second worst idea ever created as a staff position.

Second only to Trade Admin, obviously.

Guns should be in categories, all with the same or very similar stats. Having widely differentiating stats only leads to permanent imbalance, as shown for the past few years on Zone and in every single shooter game like Overwatch.

Shmegg 08-30-2017 01:11 AM

Quote:

Posted by PigParty (Post 794525)
Guns Admins = second worst idea ever created as a staff position.

Second only to Trade Admin, obviously.

Someone forgot about the Storyboard Team from 2014. :P

PigParty 08-30-2017 02:19 AM

Quote:

Posted by Shmegg (Post 794527)
Someone forgot about the Storyboard Team from 2014. :P

damn it!

there's been so many bad staff positions on Zone I can't remember them all...

Ethacon 08-30-2017 04:11 AM

Quote:

Posted by PigParty (Post 794541)
damn it!

there's been so many bad staff positions on Zone I can't remember them all...

Support Admin

Ash Ketchum 08-30-2017 07:42 AM

Best way to fix Zone?

Make AGUZO Admin.

G Fatal 08-30-2017 10:43 AM

Have they fixed it yet? :giggle:

Fp* 08-30-2017 01:08 PM

Quote:

Posted by G Fatal (Post 794581)
Have they fixed it yet? :giggle:

let me fix that for you

Quote:

Posted by G Fatal (Post 794581)
Will they fixed it? :giggle:

no

PigParty 08-30-2017 02:43 PM

Quote:

Posted by Fp* (Post 794583)
Quote:

Posted by G Fatal (Post 794581)
Have they fixed it yet? :giggle:

let me fix that for you

Quote:

Posted by G Fatal (Post 794581)
Will they fixed it yet? :giggle:

no

let me fix that for you

Quote:

Posted by Fp* (Post 794583)
Quote:

Posted by G Fatal (Post 794581)
Have they fixed it yet? :giggle:

let me fix that for you

Quote:

Posted by G Fatal (Post 794581)
Will they fix it yet? :giggle:

no


Fp* 08-30-2017 09:05 PM

Quote:

Posted by PigParty (Post 794590)
let me fix that for you

cheers, didn't think and made a decision. oh thats what zone management does.
lmao i didnt even read it fully rip me my bad

edit: do they even think?

Ethacon 08-30-2017 10:31 PM

Quote:

Posted by Fp* (Post 794631)
cheers, didn't think and made a decision. oh, thats what zone management does.
lmao I didn't even read it fully rip me my bad

edit: do they even think?

yes.

Everyone thinks.

It is just a matter of thinking right and thinking wrong.

G Fatal 08-31-2017 11:06 AM

Arranged or decided already and not able to be changed.double hit.

GenoIndeed 09-02-2017 06:11 AM

Quote:

Posted by PigParty (Post 794525)
Guns Admins = second worst idea ever created as a staff position.

Second only to Trade Admin, obviously.

Guns should be in categories, all with the same or very similar stats. Having widely differentiating stats only leads to permanent imbalance, as shown for the past few years on Zone and in every single shooter game like Overwatch.

Nah man. But i wanted to make the guns like that but never would get the chance to open up the shops i had planned, had a lot of guns made too

List 09-02-2017 03:02 PM

Quote:

Posted by GenoIndeed (Post 794866)
Nah man. But i wanted to make the guns like that but never would get the chance to open up the shops i had planned, had a lot of guns made too

We really need more guns, fort the most part, all blackfires gives us is really bad melees with mostly terrible ganis and damage so low that its practically unusable.

PigParty 09-02-2017 05:02 PM

Quote:

Posted by GenoIndeed (Post 794866)
Nah man. But i wanted to make the guns like that but never would get the chance to open up the shops i had planned, had a lot of guns made too

but it wasn't about new guns. that wouldn't fix all the guns already in the game.

every GA tried to tackle the issue one gun at a time but that was never going to work. they needed to be divided up by category, and each category should gave had base stats, with every gun in that category following those strict stat restrictions, with a few exceptions that might give certain guns a slightly different stat. new guns should be bought primarily for cosmetic purposes only; not for their stats.

Quote:

Posted by List (Post 794887)
We really need more guns, fort the most part, all blackfires gives us is really bad melees with mostly terrible ganis and damage so low that its practically unusable.

that's the opposite of what zone needs.

GenoIndeed 09-03-2017 11:05 PM

A base to build on still needed to be established, which i did pretty well without making things too different, only special guns had a unique perk to it. I wanted to set a standard on how the guns should be, to where it would be understood and followed by any future gun admins, kinda like guidelines on how to maintain a certain balance thats proven to work. Even with the ridiculous amount of restrictions and limts to powers, i was able to start getting the plan on the right track but then i got removed, but i still have the plan down. Then i wanted to see what all i could possibly do with the guns, like how unique I could possibly make something. I brought dual firing modes to zone as a start lol. New guns shouldn't be cosmetic only, they can bring in some pretty insane ideas when done right, like some of the ideas i had for basing and missions could only be pulled off if i could perfect the gun plans i had in mind, so that can mean new content just from one idea. I see the potential zone has and would like to see it finally achieve that

Weeno 09-05-2017 12:24 AM

STEP ONEjust make the server look visually appealing
STEP TWOmore pvp

PigParty 09-05-2017 01:24 AM

Quote:

Posted by Weeno (Post 795261)
STEP ONEjust make the server look visually appealing
STEP TWOmore pvp

Step 1 has been in the process for 4 years. It's become as much a running joke as Delteria's release has.

Weeno 09-05-2017 01:31 AM

Quote:

Posted by PigParty (Post 795269)
Step 1 has been in the process for 4 years. It's become as much a running joke as Delteria's release has.

Prolly cuz all the gfx admins on zine succ

PigParty 09-05-2017 02:50 AM

Quote:

Posted by Weeno (Post 795271)
Prolly cuz all the gfx admins on zine succ

but it's a paid artist

G Fatal 09-05-2017 04:41 AM

Quote:

Posted by PigParty (Post 795269)
Step 1 has been in the process for 4 years.

Lol, still hoping?

Rusix 09-05-2017 04:16 PM

How to fix zone in one simple step.

1. Delete it entirely

Tashkin 09-05-2017 04:58 PM

Zone should be closed down and completely revamped. It should introduce new style characters and move of the original game from PC. Get away from being like the other two gun servers. It needs to have it's own style like what I wanted to do originally. Sadly I don't see that ever happening.

G Fatal 09-05-2017 10:34 PM

Hi TASH! xDand kinda agree although that was also the plan when it got took off app store the very first time. It’s shame to see as zone has massive potential although I think the theme etc went out of the window ages ago and the stuff that has been made could be expanded alot more to make more enjoyable. Not sure who’s now running the show.. but I haven’t heard anything interesting come from zone in like forever.

GenoIndeed 09-06-2017 02:27 AM

I think the gameplay should be fixed up first before the style

Tashkin 09-06-2017 03:03 AM

Quote:

Posted by GenoIndeed (Post 795402)
I think the gameplay should be fixed up first before the style

I'm not just talking about the style though. The whole game needs to be completely revamped into what it should have been to begin with. An original game like it was on Graal PC.

GenoIndeed 09-06-2017 03:25 AM

Yeah fr, like the pieces are all there, just horribly done and always edited to that horrible standard. In reality we havent had new content in years, just the same stuff being edited around and called new but never really bringing anything "new" to the concept. Tearing it all down and building it from the ground up would do a lot for zone. Something like that is gonna take some major planning tho

Distorted_P2P 09-06-2017 05:52 AM

pc zone= good
izone= not good

G Fatal 09-06-2017 06:31 PM

Wasn’t PC Vers like everyone just hopped onto zone from other servers when zone had big events/battles going on? If so that just wouldn’t work for ios/tablets.

PigParty 09-06-2017 10:21 PM

Large PvP & PvE was Zone's strong suit. Should have been the focus.

Weeno 09-10-2017 03:49 AM

Pvp based game with beautiful graphics and special effects. Imagine if zone was like that

HamStarr 09-10-2017 05:19 AM

Quote:

Posted by Weeno (Post 795877)
Pvp based game with beautiful graphics and special effects. Imagine if zone was like that

engaging gameplay > graphics

in other words, make the game more immersive instead of making it more pretty first, THEN do the pretty graphics

Weeno 09-10-2017 08:21 PM

Quote:

Posted by HamStarr (Post 795880)
engaging gameplay > graphics

in other words, make the game more immersive instead of making it more pretty first, THEN do the pretty graphics

Right right. Hopefully they can make engaging gameplay cause I just saw the new zone tileset (well actually I saw it like a year ago and I'm sure everyone did too) and man are those graphics really um...outdated with style. If anyone remembers or recently saw the new zone tileset you can see how the style is completely different from those of classic and the newgen era and ol west.


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