Thoughts & Recognition
 

Throughout years of obvserving the spar community, I have noticed that the amount of respect that the winner deserves has gone down drastically. I have come to the overall conclusion that the current spar community is full of people who do not know their place. There are countless examples of people who do not comprehend where they stand but recently it has just been pathetic. I am speaking as an individual who witnessed and experienced the reign of (Alumni), which was a three year period of complete dominance over the sparring community. If any person who reads this does not recognize (Alumni) as the best sparring guild ever , then that in itself completely reinforces my argument. The aftermath of (Alumni) includes (7ives) which has completely destroyed every idevice team and backed up their winning habits by winning the mixed GST tournament previous to this one. No, I am not saying to love us, y'all can hate us for all I care, but most of you need to learn what respect truly is & recognize where you stand. I am already ready to hear things like OH YOU WERE A SUB YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING but in all honesty, I don't really care and that is not what this paragraph is written for. This paragraph is to let y'all know that things such as messaging Thallen about being in the wrong "spar tier", making status's about beating (Alumni). These are the things that reinforce our position as being the best because it clarifies how much you value our opinion.

"When I was a kid, my mother told me that if you could not be a good loser, then there's no way you could be a good winner". - Halle Berry

Be humble

Yea its about time u guys recognise me as the best idev sparer lol

nobody disrespects the american/canadian players in those guilds, but while alumni turned out to be a north american team doped with a few delayers from other countries, 7ives doesn't even hide that massive delay is being used purposefully since hey, everybody does it and they are absolutely skilled regardless of their delay.

certainly you guys do a better job than guilds like male which seek the same strategy but do not have the mental capacities to make any profit from their advantage, nevertheless you shouldn't expect other people to follow a morally wrong path.

Dogmatism is bad in general, try to get on an analytic base

This has nothing to do with sparring, people are generally disrespectful

This "get rekt" mentality is not really in favor of earning oneself respect

No more salt guys

I’m glad there’s finally a thread out there to give me the respect and praise I deserve as #1 sparrer.
Thank you all ~♡

You don’t just get respect from winning, you have to gain it. No point respecting a team who is disrespectful to other teams, right? Most players (not all) in Alumni mixed are humble and respectful to the other teams, Dante is a good example. Most of alumni idev are disrespectful and rude, they try so hard to get attention from others. Some people just suck up to them as if they’re trying to make them proud. If you don’t suck up to them they spend hours trying to roast you. If you’re asking people to d* ride alumni then..
Your guild place in other teams perspective represent the way you guys treat them.

What?
 

Im confused what r u trying to say? Is this about alumni or winners in general? cuz ur basically just alking abt alumni

lol Haze stop disrespecting saeed for sucking .-.

You delay so therefor don’t qualify as best idev, sorry bud. obviously Kevin is the best he has 70k wins!

I’d like to thank the academy and my mom thx

You're only saying this because you reside with Alumni/7ives whatever. Honestly, I feel like you'd change your opinions IF thallen and dante and whoever were to remove you from their gst. Everyone is so used to you people winning that no one needs to respect you any further. We've been so tired of alumni/7ives people winning that respect, to you people, is likely to be unnecessary because your whole domain doesn't need it from all the *** sparrers(in comparison to you people). Like, it's like receiving respect from sea cucumbers in the middle of Arctic ocean; will the higher person of the hierarchy care about that sort of respect? Never. So I'm EXTREMELY surprised that someone like you would even bother to write this message. Besides, why would you care? If you understand my analogy, would you expect a pile of poop to acknowledge you? NO, you just took a pile of poop! That poop, in your eyes, is completely worthless, so why talk about this??

But then I might as well agree with you because you should've mentioned the lack of respect that Northern Sign, specifically me, got when they won gst. All the people would say to Northern Sign was that "they boosted for belt". 0 respect at all and 0 acknowledgement to us, except by some from SLX and a couple of other modest people like Toich or Squiggles(though she's kinda bipolar). And I understand what kind of person I used to be, but that still doesnt deny the fact that no one even bothered to acknowledge the win by us. Despite our positions, despite who we were as people..

And I swear if you say Northern Sign and Alumni were different in terms of winning gst, this reinforces the idea that you're a hypocrite and just like 80-90% of the spar community. Although the skill levels may have been different, both teams did WIN and teams include ALL SEVEN PEOPLE despite subs or cores.

Exactly my point. Why just Alumni?

I completely agree with you. Some people in Alumni treat others like they're a huge pile of poop. People respect those who respect them back.

Throughout my years sparring, there has always been some disrespectful person in every spar room. I think it's fair to say many of today's sparrers are young and simply have a lot of pent up frustration, so they utilise the chat in-game and speak their mind because it "feels good". Young teens in this game just get mad at losing at anything. Once they win they go "yeah get rekt noob" or some other horsesh*t that can't be justified.

The problem is even more prestigious sparrers are caught to behave this way(Yuki...), and it doesn't set a good example for newer sparrers. Granted, newer sparrers are prone to behave negatively more often first, but I think it should be our job to discipline their b*tch asses instead of retaliating with similar behaviors.
I don't guild spar, never had time and I'm not keen on dealing with horsesh*t lagging and delaying in a TOURNAMENT, but I've noticed a lot of guilds to be quite negative.

Whatever. They're young; if they can't find their place then we'll put them in their place in a humble manner.

Here's my biased opinion, though. I find it dreadfully difficult to respect sparrers that consistently lag or delay. It ruins the experience for so many other people and it makes a lot of people ask themselves, "Was that actually a good spar? Was that fair?" Then ye get that statement from others saying, "Learn to fight it." Theoretically speaking, I should never have to fight someone with a poorer connection and have an unusual spar, because that just isn't fun and it just isn't right. It's been around so long in graal that it seems normal now, and we've allowed ourselves to learn to combat it since it hasn't been resolved.

Take CoD or any other FPS. How annoying is it to be in a laggy lobby? Does it ruin the experience? I bet it does.

I think the reason Alumni was able to reign for so long is because they're just older. The rest of us are just teens, Thallen is in his twenties, or so I've heard, as well as Winter, Dante, etc. Teens have a hard time staying consistent but people become more consistent and focused when they're older, and Alumni members seem older than many of us. Unless there are a certain few of you in here who are also in your twenties besides Thallen.

A while back Qes posted something cringe worthy like this, but I couldn't find it. The difference was that he demanded respect for the older sparers.

Qes do you remember where you posted that? I hate not finding old posts.

Blaze talking for himself.

Wheres my recognition in spar? 1v1 me scrubs

Lmao what

Kicko and Kouji both placed and won gsts(correct me if I'm wrong)before they even aged 15.

I'm the worst sparrer in the battle arena, but generally still can hold my own against high-tiers.

:^) I guess I can't adjust myself to spar people with low IQ techs

Would-be Forum ****post of the Year if only it was actually just a troll...

Addition to this, can we also get an upgrade in the war room inside the battle arena and place 6 ft gold statues of alll of alumni’s roster there for being the best guild? I think this is reasonable seeing as we are quiet Blatantly the best ever. Thx

Inb4 zeteletetovic posts here and demands respect for the 2 people in the SLX recording crew which was basically a casting couch crew to watch their team get f**ked every season

Wouldn't be a 2017 thread related to spar if it weren't for westbrook.

Count me in as one of them too

They've remained consistency as time passed, you haven't.

Theoretically, I could say i've never "tried"

Besides no one asked for consistency

I believe we should have an in-game hat modeled after my feet in recognition of me flawing Jimbo with them.

To be honest I feel like most people just wanted a change of people winning the gst for once. On the Mixed side and Idev side alumni has ruled for years. It really does prove their place as a team overall. I used to think alumni idev/7ives idev was utter garbage before realizing that their the only group of delayers that really use their delay to full advantage and it shows. There has been countless all delay teams with great gsers but what other all delay team has won gst even? None if I am mistaken. It used to be very hard for me to admit that Alumni Idev/7ives have true skill, they have an advantage with their delay but win every gst like its a joke tbh... Alumni statistical wise is the best team ever.

I know from a standpoint in the spar community that Alumni is definitely respected, it might not show as much as it did before. But I hear how people talk about Alumni as a whole. A lot of people are scared to face alumni in brackets in Gst, I myself have even said so. Trust me there is respect, it's just not really in a mutual way as much if that makes sense. People seeing Alumni/7ives as a threat=respect in a different way. It's just hard for most people in the spar community to admit who the more skilled are because sparers are so competitive and that's how it always will be because spar is an competitive activity. Alumni will always be respected, even if Alumni dies, they have ruled this game and will be respected as Uncommon Society is.

See if you ask me the only reason alumni superteams keep winning so much is cuz u guys are too stupid to merge to make your own superteams (cavaliers, OKC etc to deal with golden state) but rather continue to just hold grudges on people or do your own thing and then complain cuz they keep winning.

Alumni superteams are very skilled but they can be beaten, I mean Sith(Aserus going ham)beat the mixed side, but idev still reigns undefeated. There probably is a team of certain individuals to have a better chance to beat 7ives if specific people made a team together. All depends tbh. As of now they are still undefeated though.

never thought that the replies to this thread could get more troll than the OP

I agree and someone should stop them

tbh thallen, just un-retire alumni and dominate gst again for next 3-4 years. won't be long till fp4 pms you "it's time to stop" *gives alumni a special trophy room*

i'd do it any time if the guild wanted me to, but i think it's more chill to give others their chance to lead after achieving the goal alumni was created for
shaheen, sarah, david, dante, blaze, fulgore, and eko all led their own teams sometime before or after alumni was RIP

after a while, the satisfaction of winning goes away and the goal becomes to just not lose (not that enjoyable)

I thought it was strange at first, seeing no other guild than Alumni winning first place year after year. "Surely there must be another guild capable winning first place." I thought. It made me realise how small the spar/gst community is, but it was still suspicious, nonetheless, especially with how many people take advantage of laggers/delayers on every team nowadays.

Has anyone heard from austin koga since he lost firstround again? I think he finally did it

The spar community isnt exactly small. The people that were supposedly better than Thallen are gone.

Additionally 90% of sparrers are mentally challenged in some aspects that they are unable to form the right teams to actually try to win gst. And other sparrers couldnt even place because of that same reason.

I can only name a few that had a fully formed team but could simply just not beat Alumni (SLX, GTEAM, maybe Agilis but they existed for less than 6 months).

Whoever did say that some ARE CAPABLE of winning gst just by forming the right teams; i completely agree with whoever said that

After reading this, I think that what Blaze wants is not respect but subjugation lol.

Imo we are the best 5/5 idevices so that alone is difficult to beat, hence why we are undefeated. Not to mention that we spar well together

Too many teams are coring people who provide zero team support or are prone to going 0-6. Having a nice ratio is irrelevant if you sit back and watch your team get 5v4ed in favour of 7ives.

A team that would challenge us imo: Kicko, Fro, Phural, Noss and Mex/Luna

Where were u when Westbrok was kill
I was at my computer eating tost
Phone ring
"Westbrok is kil by jimbo"
"No surprise"

Gst news report:
After losing to nai(Sith) in gst and losing nem to thallen, Red is finally pushed over the edge and begins posting unintelligible forum posts. I mean seriously what the hell is this dude saying lol. Im guessing its something about sith or cigarettes cuz otherwise google translate isnt working for “******” language rn.

Is westbrook still on your account or are you scarchaos now?

@DoubleLiftGraal

Unfortunately, I don't GS. I've never had a team and I can't imagine how difficult it would be to try and accomplish a win at this time. I don't have many friends on graal that don't already have teams and other guilds that they practice with. The kind of understanding of how someone plays and how players cooperate together while sparring is what it all comes down to. Let me elaborate.

MLG players at live competitions all sit together, and they communicate while they play. Players in a GST can't really communicate. Typing would be foolish, and I've never seen a team and its members just 'know' what to do in some situations. I don't know how GST strategies and tactics go, it all seems like teams play super defensively and hitting someone is mostly just a fluke.

I thought I heard something about how Alumni members were all able to communicate during the GST rounds, hence their consistency and fluidity throughout. I'd need conformation from an Alumni member, though.

Teamwork is a huge thing in GST. I hear stuff about "making a wall" or whatever. I don't really know what you mean by making "the right team", because that could mean a number of things: player attitude, how they support in a round, how they spar in general, etc. Something with Alumni is they just had the whole round under control. Each player of Alumni just knew when to switch targets and knew when to help another player or players.

I don't know if all of them just simply have it figured out or if they're communicating all the time, but when I watch other guilds spar it kind of seems like an 'every man for himself' kind of spar with the occasional gank or whatever.

I've seen other guilds with nearly the same thing and same fluidity.

I just need an in-depth explanation to why some teams just don't work. Even if the guilds all have exceptional players.

Some people use discord to communicate and they speak and say *** "Hey go defense, dont hit him blah blah blah"
Some people choose never to practice, and yes attitude does play into the gst and a player with bad attitude could affect the gst performance of team.

Sometimes, even a really good team can be counterproductive. Because idk how exactly to structure my thoughts but when you begin a gst round, you must "Make a wall" as in making a LINE vertically, horizontally, diagonally, or even make a half-circle where you surround the people. But sometimes the wall can break and you need POSITIONS. If people are FULLY offense or defense, that can be a detriment to the team and even the apparently pro team could end up losing round 1(Goodfellas).

Most if not all of Alumni members are well rounded and thus win gst very easily(in addition to the idevices' delay and the mixed's pure skills, reflexes, etc). There are some well rounded people in this game aside from Alumni kids but considering the intelligence of this community(Extremely low), people choose low tier sparrers over high tier, probably either based on Thallen's stupid spar tier list which they find to be 100% accurate or their personal whims and instincts which are no more intelligent than that of a rock.

i really hope this is a troll post tbh

the spar community in classic is a pile of toxic waste that always has some salty **** to say before, during, and after every single gst.

In fact, all sparring communities on igraal are ridiculous.

Great great, u gonna do something about it?

Did you give your account to someone?

I remember you being pretty ******ed, but now your responses make some sense

Honestly after reading some of the posts youve made, we (everyone in sparring) can agree that no matter how toxic we get, youll somehow be single handedly more ******ed then all of us combined. To be honest you sound like one of those dudes with a 11-46 spar record that walked into mainroom, lost a bunch, raged and got roasted, and now hates sparring. Sparring is this games lifeline, and if this game is so dead that we need to trash talk to make it more competitive then why the hell do you care? Youre one of those 12 year olds that stumbled upon pc graal + level editor and thinks he’s a developer lol. Also, how can you say somethings toxic based off of a few forum threads? Lol.