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Jarace 04-08-2018 02:56 AM

Classic Uploading Guide
 
This post will contain the following information:

Introduction
  • Information on why I'm making this thread
  • What to do if you have an uploading issue

Denial Reasons
  • A complete list of upload denial reasons
  • Examples for each reason, where necessary
  • Cases where these reasons may fail to properly communicate the issue with an upload

FAQ
  • A few useful links
  • I'll add to this section as people ask me questions here or in-game.

Introduction

The public upload rules found here work well as a summary, but lack precise detail. From this post, readers will receive a better understanding of the specifics of the uploading guidelines so that they may diagnose the issues with their own uploads more accurately. As such, the post will go over the denial reasons and focus on some areas that often cause misunderstanding. The expectation is for the rest of this thread to be a discussion of the uploading rules or questions about them. If you do want to ask something, feel free to ask a staff member in-game or post in this thread. Keep in mind that the upload rules do change.

Denial Reasons
Transparency problems: There is a visible background
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When the background is visible in an upload, usually the person uploading forgot to remove it. Sometimes, however, it is the result of other things.
  • If your indexed body is being denied for this, make sure you indexed it properly. Here is a useful guide for indexing, if you're interested.
  • If your file was downloaded from the web, and is being denied for this reason, the file may have been a JPEG. When a file is saved as a JPEG, the image is compressed and artifacts like these are created:
    https://i.imgur.com/ZGSTBj8.png
    These artifacts no longer match the rest of the background, so if someone uploading selects "Set transparency", those parts of the background remain.

Transparency problems: Make sure not to use solid black or white
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This one can be more difficult for players to correct. It's tough to track down a few stray solid black pixels. For heads, this most commonly happens with eyes. On bodies, we see a lot of missing shoes.

As with the last denial reason, an incorrectly indexed body can cause this to happen. Again, I encourage you to review this guide if you're working with an indexed body and see this denial reason. It's also possible that the image editing software being used by the uploader is changing nearly solid black/white to solid black/white.

Inappropriate Content
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Any upload that is vulgar, suggestive, related to drugs/alcohol, or otherwise inappropriate falls under this category.

Bodies must have two working arms and legs. Please use a better template.
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This one can be a bit complicated. Be sure that your upload doesn't:
  • Completely lack limbs
  • Have limbs that are too skinny or short. For example, if the body looks like a stick figure or has something like wings or fins instead of arms.
  • Have limbs that don't move in the frames for carrying or attacking things.
It's ok for the arms to be mostly covered or in pockets.

No shields that act as bodies.
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All this one means is that you can't cover the entire body with a shield. Try reducing the size of the shield, or moving it to a place where it doesn't cover the player as much.

No images acting as/including hats, accessories, or full-face masks.
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This one is somewhat complicated. With the introduction of accessories, the application of this rule has changed. In general, if a hat or accessory has been directly ripped from the game and is uploaded in some form, it will not be approved. Here are some specific examples of what we approve:
  • Heads with horns/animal ears that aren't ripped from the game
  • Heads with headbands that have been properly integrated into the head, for example if parts of the headband are covered by hair.
  • Heads with bandages, tape, glasses or eye patches on the head. Note that the eyeglasses should be subtle, and resemble prescription eyeglasses.
  • Shields that have scabbards/swords.
Things we do not allow:
  • Heads with shoulder pads
  • Heads with bows that aren't made of hair
  • Heads with accessories covering the mouth/neck area, like scarves and bandanas.
  • Bodies with visible shoulder pads
  • Bodies with backpacks
  • Bodies with sword/gun accessories
  • Bodies with wings
  • Bodies with scarves
  • Shields that are scarves

Incorrect Size/Dimensions
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Make sure you're using the correct template! There are links to templates in the FAQ section. If you were using a template, check the dimensions against the corresponding template.

File size exceeds 128kb
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The maximum allowed file size for uploaded files is 128kb.
Can't find it? This might help.
Click here for Windows
If you have a guide for OSX you think I should use, let me know. I couldn't find one that was recent enough.

Too many frames
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This only applies to animated uploads. The number of frames does not necessarily matter, but the length does. Take the number of seconds your animation lasts, divide it by 0.05, and that is the number of frames we see in your animation. We limit you to 500 frames, or a 25 second animation. Click here for my source of this information.

No rapidly flashing animations or changing colors
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Though this rule is usually used for animations that flash or change colors rapidly, it also applies to bodies that change colors while they move. If your animation changes colors, ensure the change is gradual.

The frames are in the wrong positions or do not match
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Have you ever seen heads where part of the hair shows up in a different frame? This rule applies to them. If your upload is denied for this reason, try overlaying it on the template you made it with, then adjust accordingly. Your upload could also have frames that don't match. For example, some of the frames could be a dog, the others are a cat.

Missing sprites/frames
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Make sure your upload uses the entire template. This isn't as important for shields or swords, but heads and bodies need to have sprites for every frame so ganis work properly.
A head that is denied for this reason might have nothing where the dead frame is, for example.

Copyright Infringement. Do not resubmit.
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Inspired graphics are fine, but direct copies are not. Some things you can do to make something inspired rather than a direct copy include:
  • Leaving out minor details, like Naruto's whiskers
  • Changing the eye or hair color
  • Making the face more generic
Company logos also fall under this denial reason. The Nike swoosh is a common one, as are the various Adidas logos.

Submitted multiple times.
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This reason is usually used during times where lots of uploads are submitted, and someone has spammed an upload many times that has already been approved or denied.

No shields that act as in-game items or tiles.
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For shields that are taken from the tileset or another server image, or shields that are clearly based on one of these things. Balloons are not allowed (we have balloons) for this reason, as an example. Same goes for military banners. For the time being, no more banner or flag shields will be approved, but old ones will be allowed to stay. This will change at some point in the future. Sparkle shields that act as a substitute for the cookie effect / any shields with sprites from characters (using a head on a shield, for example) will not be allowed for this reason.

We'll be allowing shields that borrow elements from hats or accessories to accompany them, whereas previously they would have been denied under this rule.

Do not resubmit this image.
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This one covers a broad range of things, as it functions as an "other" category. It can be used like "submitted multiple times", but usually it takes on other roles. See if your upload fits into one of these categories:
  • Translucent head or body
  • It's a meme (knuckles, troll face)
  • It's a direct rip from a picture
  • The upload is too small or has bad proportions (for bodies and heads)
  • It's a gun
  • It doesn't have eyes
  • It looks like a full player or could be used to impersonate one. .




FAQ
Q&A
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Q: When you say "uploader", do you mean the staff member viewing my upload?
A: No, when I say uploader I am referring to the person that went to the uploading website and submitted the image. When I mention staff in this thread, I use "staff" or "staff members". If you see a mistake, let me know.

Q: How long do I have before my upload is no longer refundable for full price?
A: You have six hours from the time you accept and pay for the upload.

Q: A staff member refunded my upload, and I did not receive the full price. What happened?
A: It is likely that you uploaded during a sale and forgot about it. This process is automatic, so human error doesn't play a role. If you do not believe this was the case, contact support by clicking here and they will look into it.

Q: I've been upload banned! What can I do to get it removed?
A: Just like other bans, you must go to support.toonslab.com to appeal them.

Q: How can I report an upload that breaks the rule?
A: If it's a shield or sword, you can message a staff member the code. If it isn't or you do not have the file name, report someone wearing it.

Q: What are upload tokens?
A: Upload tokens are a currency players receive when uploads are refunded. You may use upload tokens to pay for new uploads. They can not be changed back in to gralats.

Q: If I have 5000 upload tokens, and 15000 gralats, can I purchase a custom head?
A: Yes, you may purchase uploads with a max of the currency. Your upload token balance is used first, so if you had 10000 tokens and 15000 gralats before uploading a head, once the head was paid for you would have 5000 gralats left over and no upload tokens.

Q: If I refund an upload within an hour and qualify for the full refund, do I receive upload tokens or gralats?
A: You will always receive tokens when refunding an upload.

Links

*Please note that some old templates are no longer usable, the maximum file dimensions are 200 x 100 pixels for shields.

Rusix 04-08-2018 03:14 AM

Very helpful Guide. But I think In the Q&A section the part where you state about the time length in which you can receive full price refunding after uploading might be wrong, unless they recently changed that. I know i have in the past refunded heads after 2 or close to 3 hours. I know because once I uploaded a head and accepted it around 6 i think, And left for some quick chores and came back and around 8:40. And refunded the head since I found some error in the back of the head i think. Was a while ago but I know it wasn't within 1 hour.

But good guide, Very much needed.

Jarace 04-08-2018 03:19 AM

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Posted by Rusix (Post 809124)
Very helpful Guide. But I think In the Q&A section the part where you state about the time length in which you can receive full price refunding after uploading might be wrong, unless they recently changed that. I know i have in the past refunded heads after 2 or close to 3 hours. I know because once I uploaded a head and accepted it around 6 i think, And left for some quick chores and came back and around 8:40. And refunded the head since I found some error in the back of the head i think. Was a while ago but I know it wasn't within 1 hour.

But good guide, Very much needed.

As far as I recall, it was an hour when the system was first introduced. It is totally possible that one hour is wrong and it was changed at some point. I'll see what I can find.

Perseus 04-08-2018 07:43 AM

Do the administrators know this? I've uploaded a few shields using the big template (152x64) that was denied for "incorrect size/dimensions." I asked an online admin and they said the graphic itself was the problem.

Jarace 04-08-2018 07:57 AM

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Posted by Perseus (Post 809145)
Do the administrators know this? I've uploaded a few shields using the big template (152x64) that was denied for "incorrect size/dimensions." I asked an online admin and they said the graphic itself was the problem.

Which template are you referring to? My list of template sizes has some that are 152x80, but none that are 152x64.

Perseus 04-08-2018 08:03 AM

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Posted by Jarace (Post 809146)
Which template are you referring to? My list of template sizes has some that are 152x80, but none that are 152x64.

Oopsies. My eyeballs must not work, I ment 152x80.

Jarace 04-08-2018 08:05 AM

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Posted by Perseus (Post 809148)
Oopsies. My eyeballs must not work, I ment 152x80.

Size aside, what was the shield? If you upload it to imgur, I can check it out in-game for you.

Perseus 04-08-2018 08:31 AM


When I first uploaded it, I was astonished it didnt get denied for what I thought it was gonna be denied for. When I talked to the admin, I was perfectly OK with it being denied as the car itself is somewhat large and it seemed like a legit reason that it was an incorrect dimension. Then I come here and click on this handy dandy thread and the reason means something totally different. Like, If it is actually acceptable it'd be delightful for a gem in my guild news.

Jarace 04-08-2018 08:48 AM

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Posted by Perseus (Post 809152)

When I first uploaded it, I was astonished it didnt get denied for what I thought it was gonna be denied for. When I talked to the admin, I was perfectly OK with it being denied as the car itself is somewhat large and it seemed like a legit reason that it was an incorrect dimension. Then I come here and click on this handy dandy thread and the reason means something totally different. Like, If it is actually acceptable it'd be delightful for a gem in my guild news.

The issue with this is that it doesn't conform to the template. It is split across three different views. So you'd see part of the shield while you faced downward, part of the shield while you faced left, etc - so the staff probably saw that and assumed you used the wrong template. If you significantly reduced the size, it might fit into one view.

I do see that "incorrect size" could be taken differently, though. These are the most common uses of the denial reasons, but so long as it properly communicates the issue with an upload there is room for deviance.

kenthefruit 04-08-2018 09:07 PM

https://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31674

Jarace 04-08-2018 10:28 PM

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Posted by kenthefruit (Post 809166)

Nice guide, I'll add it to the links for anyone interested in further reading.

I'm surprised I never saw it!

Heeble 04-09-2018 02:43 PM

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Posted by Jarace (Post 809126)
As far as I recall, it was an hour when the system was first introduced. It is totally possible that one hour is wrong and it was changed at some point. I'll see what I can find.

In my experience, the hour timer only counts down while you are online. I have had instances where I've logged off right after accepting an upload only to log in hours later and be refunded the full amount.

twilit 04-10-2018 12:54 AM

It only took 6 ****ing years to get something like this.

Now where's the list of server rules that staff take action against and a list explanations for ban reasons??

Jarace 04-10-2018 12:57 AM

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Posted by twilit (Post 809239)
It only took 6 ****ing years to get something like this.

Now where's the list of server rules that staff take action against and a list explanations for ban reasons??

Check the FAQ building.

Weeno 04-10-2018 02:03 AM

You also forgot no uploading cat uploads

Saeed 04-10-2018 01:20 PM

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Posted by twilit (Post 809239)
It only took 6 ****ing years to get something like this.

Now where's the list of server rules that staff take action against and a list explanations for ban reasons??

The ban reason is stated in your screen after u get banned. Plus everybody knows the reason why he/she got ban, they just act dumb and pretend it was an unfair ban.

Rusix 04-11-2018 02:00 PM

So I have a question. Regarding accessories.

How do capes work? Or what is the rule with capes? I've made capes on some bodies. Some are approved some don't.

Like say you took the night body from world of myrth. Recolored it and tried to submit it. Would it be approved? And what about capes you make yourself?

Jarace 04-11-2018 10:35 PM

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Posted by Rusix (Post 809310)
So I have a question. Regarding accessories.

How do capes work? Or what is the rule with capes? I've made capes on some bodies. Some are approved some don't.

Like say you took the night body from world of myrth. Recolored it and tried to submit it. Would it be approved? And what about capes you make yourself?

Capes are fine, so long as you don't take the cape accessory and put it on a body.

In regards to your example, that should be approved.

Byyor 05-06-2018 05:57 PM

Why can't we upload body's with hidden arms/legs or no arms/legs? I still thing ghost body's are pretty cool.

Jarace 05-06-2018 06:08 PM

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Posted by Byyor (Post 811426)
Why can't we upload body's with hidden arms/legs or no arms/legs? I still thing ghost body's are pretty cool.

Hidden arms are fine in the context of stuff like bodies with hair extensions, so long as there are working arms in the push, pull, carry and attack frames.

In general, it's not considered a body unless it has two arms and two legs, so it isn't allowed. Hope that helps, but if you have any further questions don't hesitate to ask here.

Rusix 05-06-2018 08:23 PM

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Posted by Jarace (Post 811428)
Hidden arms are fine in the context of stuff like bodies with hair extensions, so long as there are working arms in the push, pull, carry and attack frames.

In general, it's not considered a body unless it has two arms and two legs, so it isn't allowed. Hope that helps, but if you have any further questions don't hesitate to ask here.

What if we have 2 arms and 4 spider legs?

Jarace 05-12-2018 06:01 AM

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Posted by Rusix (Post 811449)
What if we have 2 arms and 4 spider legs?

Sorry for being late on this one, must have missed the alert.

Anyway, I don't see this being feasible using the current body template. You'd need them all to function properly in order for it to be approved, first of all. Even then, since the body has so many legs, it wouldn't work properly with certain ganis - so it would likely be denied.

Rusix 05-12-2018 11:21 PM

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Posted by Jarace (Post 811816)
Sorry for being late on this one, must have missed the alert.

Anyway, I don't see this being feasible using the current body template. You'd need them all to function properly in order for it to be approved, first of all. Even then, since the body has so many legs, it wouldn't work properly with certain ganis - so it would likely be denied.

What if we have a snake body? I always wanted to be a snake with snake arms

Jarace 05-13-2018 01:50 AM

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Posted by Rusix (Post 811836)
What if we have a snake body? I always wanted to be a snake with snake arms

Sounds cool, but I'll say it again: a body needs to have two arms and two legs.

Rusix 05-13-2018 04:14 AM

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Posted by Jarace (Post 811840)
Sounds cool, but I'll say it again: a body needs to have two arms and two legs.

So basically, The uploading system is about as racist as it gets to other species besides humans?

Fireenn 05-16-2018 03:53 AM

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Posted by Jarace (Post 811428)
Hidden arms are fine in the context of stuff like bodies with hair extensions, so long as there are working arms in the push, pull, carry and attack frames.

In general, it's not considered a body unless it has two arms and two legs, so it isn't allowed. Hope that helps, but if you have any further questions don't hesitate to ask here.

3 arms and 3 legs?

4-Lom 05-18-2018 01:36 AM

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Posted by Rusix (Post 811847)
So basically, The uploading system is about as racist as it gets to other species besides humans?

Make it look like a snake in the idle frames, then make the wiggly parts look like legs.
Maybe you'll get a week or two before they see through the ruse.

Caw 05-18-2018 02:15 AM

I recently loaded a body, it stays transparent in my folder and I can not sell it. What do I do ?

Rusix 05-18-2018 04:49 AM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 812114)
Make it look like a snake in the idle frames, then make the wiggly parts look like legs.
Maybe you'll get a week or two before they see through the ruse.

What if instead of a snake body, I just have textbox where the body would be saying " THIS IS NOT A SNAKE"? Can't say it was a snake. Just a text box saying it isn't

Jarace 05-18-2018 07:53 AM

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Posted by Caw (Post 812115)
I recently loaded a body, it stays transparent in my folder and I can not sell it. What do I do ?

Sounds like the upload is broken. If you message me in-game (nickname is Jarace Feare) I can take a look and refund it for you.

Rusix 05-18-2018 08:24 AM

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Posted by Caw (Post 812115)
I recently loaded a body, it stays transparent in my folder and I can not sell it. What do I do ?

Don't trust that devilishly handsome Jarace! He only plans to steal your upload and then sell it on eBay for Fireproof hair gel to style the fire on his head! Don't believe me? Look below! I sneakily stole this from his bedroom. Who would you trust? A trustworthy fellow like me or a fireman with a grudge against snake people?

Rusix 05-24-2018 03:01 AM

I have a question regarding uploads, How come from what I experienced there seems to be a inconsistency between what is allowed and what isn't?

What i mean by that is Why is say one admin willing to approve a body when it has a cape which Jarace said earlier they are fine as long as it wasn't ripped from the game, But another admin will not approve it because it has a cape? Even if the cape is not ripped and taken from anything ingame.

This inconsistency has bugged me for a while. I understand there is inevitably going to be gray areas where it may be hard to decide, But on simple matters like it capes are allowed or not doesnt make much sense.

Jarace 05-24-2018 03:42 AM

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Posted by Rusix (Post 812424)
I have a question regarding uploads, How come from what I experienced there seems to be a inconsistency between what is allowed and what isn't?

What i mean by that is Why is say one admin willing to approve a body when it has a cape which Jarace said earlier they are fine as long as it wasn't ripped from the game, But another admin will not approve it because it has a cape? Even if the cape is not ripped and taken from anything ingame.

This inconsistency has bugged me for a while. I understand there is inevitably going to be gray areas where it may be hard to decide, But on simple matters like it capes are allowed or not doesnt make much sense.

There's a lot that could be at play here. Sometimes staff members return after leaving the team and come back after the rules have changed, then are confused by or forget the changes. Could also be miscommunication, maybe the body had something else wrong with it and the staff member didn't accurately communicate what needed to be changed. Mistakes can happen.

That said, it is hard to give a specific answer about what happened without more details. If what you're describing happened to you recently, please message me privately with the details and I will do my best to clear up any misunderstandings, regardless of the party responsible.

Fulgore 06-03-2018 11:43 PM

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I understand the ruling about neck accesories on heads, but should/does this apply to direct recolors of heads already among the default set?

For example, the attached file is a direct recolor of a head seen on page 21 and page 50, yet in the past it was denied, (later accepted but refunded shortly after)

Aguzo 06-04-2018 12:09 AM

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 813070)
For example, the attached file is a direct recolor of a head seen on page 21 and page 50, (accepted but refunded shortly after)

not uncommon for staff to refund bad edits

Jarace 06-04-2018 12:17 AM

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 813070)
I understand the ruling about neck accesories on heads, but should/does this apply to direct recolors of heads already among the default set?

For example, the attached file is a direct recolor of a head seen on page 21 and page 50, yet in the past it was denied, (later accepted but refunded shortly after)

Yes, this applies to recolors of heads from the default set. If staff refunded it shortly after approval, it was probably approved by mistake.

4-Lom 06-04-2018 09:11 AM

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After 4 years of having a shield that people have been using as a door in conjunction with a statue (seeing as though furniture objects have not been supplied to make such an item usable in designs) some one has decided to delete it.

I've drawn up the attached shield, which looks like a door and functions as a shield.
What rules does this break and how can it be made acceptable?

Attachment 25646

Jarace 06-04-2018 09:23 AM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 813083)
After 4 years of having a shield that people have been using as a door in conjunction with a statue (seeing as though furniture objects have not been supplied to make such an item usable in designs) some one has decided to delete it.

I've drawn up the attached shield, which looks like a door and functions as a shield.
What rules does this break and how can it be made acceptable?

Attachment 25646

It follows the same logic as not allowing hats on heads. We sell furniture, so we can't allow people to create shields that act as it. It wasn't explicitly spelled out in the rules, so I'll add this specific information so there is no further confusion

Reggie* 06-04-2018 10:31 AM

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Posted by Jarace (Post 813084)
It follows the same logic as not allowing hats on heads. We sell furniture, so we can't allow people to create shields that act as it. It wasn't explicitly spelled out in the rules, so I'll add this specific information so there is no further confusion

Alright, but the game does not sell doors. Therefore I personally think it should be allowed

Jarace 06-04-2018 10:36 AM

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Posted by Reggie* (Post 813085)
Alright, but the game does not sell doors. Therefore I personally think it should be allowed

Ok, but the same argument could be made for a lot of things. The game doesn't sell my version of this chair. The game doesn't sell this hat I made, why can't I put it on my head and submit it?

My suggestion to 4-Lom - maybe submit the door as furniture to [email protected]. I think it's a cool idea and as much as I'd like to let people do the thing he did, it opens the door for people to create entirely custom furniture sets using statues.

Reggie* 06-04-2018 10:40 AM

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Posted by Jarace (Post 813087)
Ok, but the same argument could be made for a lot of things. The game doesn't sell my version of this chair. The game doesn't sell this hat I made, why can't I put it on my head and submit it?

My suggestion to 4-Lom - maybe submit the door as furniture to [email protected]. I think it's a cool idea and as much as I'd like to let people do the thing he did, it opens the door for people to create entirely custom furniture sets using statues.

Alright, and I apologize for the arguing but. The game does not sell doors whatsoever,. Nor does it have templates for it. And since oh ".The game doesn't sell my version of this chair. " it wouldnt be the same because the game has not offered buying doors.....If I am correct, what you said and I said would be two different things

4-Lom 06-04-2018 10:47 AM

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Posted by Jarace (Post 813087)
Ok, but the same argument could be made for a lot of things. The game doesn't sell my version of this chair. The game doesn't sell this hat I made, why can't I put it on my head and submit it?

My suggestion to 4-Lom - maybe submit the door as furniture to [email protected]. I think it's a cool idea and as much as I'd like to let people do the thing he did, it opens the door for people to create entirely custom furniture sets using statues.

I've tried to make waterfalls, windows, doors, chimneys, and tons of other objects that are simply not provided. There are objects released in-game that are not made into buyable furniture every year.

The catch here, is that a door being used as a shield is a silly thing to be disallowing. There's no in-game advantage to it's use. There's nothing but cosmetic use on a statue, possibly misdirecting (?) a player in a house layout. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of 'stalls' and other buildings and structures that are clearly objects of furniture that have been uploaded and are currently used in game, both including objects with in-game graphics and without.

I've used the colors in this particular example from the in-game door but otherwise made it from scratch. Why is it any different from making a noodle stand (robtakoyaki-shield.png), a small store (mikemart-shield.png), or any of countless codeshop shields that are used in the same manner?

Alternatively, if I upload a portion of the image in one shield, making it only a portion of the graphic, then upload a second shield with a second portion of the graphic... it just gets ridiculous so quickly to think of placing 4-5 statues with stray pixels to make a single image.

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Posted by Reggie* (Post 813088)
not offered buying doors...

There was a door. Limited time only, boarded up door from halloween. It was 1500g and meh iirc.

Reggie* 06-04-2018 11:18 AM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 813090)
There was a door. Limited time only, boarded up door from halloween. It was 1500g and meh iirc.

Didn't even know about it..or if I did. It is only one version..

Jarace 06-04-2018 11:48 PM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 813090)
I've tried to make waterfalls, windows, doors, chimneys, and tons of other objects that are simply not provided. There are objects released in-game that are not made into buyable furniture every year.

The catch here, is that a door being used as a shield is a silly thing to be disallowing. There's no in-game advantage to it's use. There's nothing but cosmetic use on a statue, possibly misdirecting (?) a player in a house layout. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of 'stalls' and other buildings and structures that are clearly objects of furniture that have been uploaded and are currently used in game, both including objects with in-game graphics and without.

I've used the colors in this particular example from the in-game door but otherwise made it from scratch. Why is it any different from making a noodle stand (robtakoyaki-shield.png), a small store (mikemart-shield.png), or any of countless codeshop shields that are used in the same manner?

Alternatively, if I upload a portion of the image in one shield, making it only a portion of the graphic, then upload a second shield with a second portion of the graphic... it just gets ridiculous so quickly to think of placing 4-5 statues with stray pixels to make a single image.


There was a door. Limited time only, boarded up door from halloween. It was 1500g and meh iirc.

Of the shields you've made for the purpose of furniture, the ones I've seen have broken other rules. The door you showed me above is too large and covers the entirety of the player's body. If I recall correctly, the waterfall had the same issue but was also ripped directly from the files, as you said. I don't see an issue with a door shield that otherwise breaks no rules, but for it to be the size of the actual tiles for a door it would have to be too large to be a shield.

The stalls aren't allowed if they cover all of the player's body. If you see any that break this rule let me know and they will be removed, though it's entirely possible they pre-date the uploading system.

That stuff aside, instead of skating around the uploading rules, why not just submit it as furniture? Even if your versions aren't accepted, maybe it would inspire graphics staff to make their own versions of such furniture. And if this furniture ends up being made, it would likely be cheaper than buying a statue and a custom shield.

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Didn't even know about it..or if I did. It is only one version..

This is my point about the chair thing, do you see that now?

Reggie* 06-05-2018 12:29 AM

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Of the shields you've made for the purpose of furniture, the ones I've seen have broken other rules. The door you showed me above is too large and covers the entirety of the player's body. If I recall correctly, the waterfall had the same issue but was also ripped directly from the files, as you said. I don't see an issue with a door shield that otherwise breaks no rules, but for it to be the size of the actual tiles for a door it would have to be too large to be a shield.

The stalls aren't allowed if they cover all of the player's body. If you see any that break this rule let me know and they will be removed, though it's entirely possible they pre-date the uploading system.

That stuff aside, instead of skating around the uploading rules, why not just submit it as furniture? Even if your versions aren't accepted, maybe it would inspire graphics staff to make their own versions of such furniture. And if this furniture ends up being made, it would likely be cheaper than buying a statue and a custom shield.


This is my point about the chair thing, do you see that now?

Having a slightly hard time understanding and Yes I see the idea with the chair.

Love the idea. Love making it into a furniture..except for the fact that we have to wait 6 months.

My idea with the shield is making it small enough to where is passes everything and then we use walls to cover the rest (Like we originally did before it was deleted.).

Here is what I did

4-Lom 06-05-2018 09:05 AM

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The door you showed me above is too large and covers the entirety of the player's body. If I recall correctly, the waterfall had the same issue but was also ripped directly from the files, as you said.
The stalls aren't allowed if they cover all of the player's body.

If you see any that break this rule let me know and they will be removed, though it's entirely possible they pre-date the uploading system.

I don't want to argue with you on this very useful thread, but the door shield clearly doesn't cover the body... Attachment 25652

When compared to, say, any of the 'bigshield' style shields, this is pretty minor coverage...
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This shot, of course, is a shield on the default set of in-game shields.

The waterfall I had done used the colors from the game, but was drawn by hand and not matching the current in-game waterfalls though it was designed to fit the tileset.

As to reporting shields... Do you report a player wearing the shield or the shield code itself?

Jarace 06-06-2018 12:50 AM

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Having a slightly hard time understanding and Yes I see the idea with the chair.

Love the idea. Love making it into a furniture..except for the fact that we have to wait 6 months.

My idea with the shield is making it small enough to where is passes everything and then we use walls to cover the rest (Like we originally did before it was deleted.).

Here is what I did

That shield will still be denied for being a direct rip from the tileset. We don't allow stuff based on the tileset either so if the door was the exact same size as a tileset door, I would still consider it based on the tileset.

I don't know how long it would take to get the furniture added somewhere, if it was made. But we shouldn't be allowing furniture as shields. I've contacted 4-Lom about this and asked for a list furniture items he would like to see, and anyone else is welcome to message me here with a similar list. I'll bring the suggestions to the appropriate people and see if they are interested in creating them. Sound good?

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I don't want to argue with you on this very useful thread, but the door shield clearly doesn't cover the body... Attachment 25652

When compared to, say, any of the 'bigshield' style shields, this is pretty minor coverage...
Attachment 25653
This shot, of course, is a shield on the default set of in-game shields.

The waterfall I had done used the colors from the game, but was drawn by hand and not matching the current in-game waterfalls though it was designed to fit the tileset.

As to reporting shields... Do you report a player wearing the shield or the shield code itself?

My mistake, it must have been a different waterfall shield that I'm thinking of. I also thought the side views of that door covered the entirety of the player, but I made that mistake when looking at the file in your post. Thanks for correcting me.

Reggie* 06-06-2018 11:01 AM

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Posted by Jarace (Post 813151)
That shield will still be denied for being a direct rip from the tileset. We don't allow stuff based on the tileset either so if the door was the exact same size as a tileset door, I would still consider it based on the tileset.

I don't know how long it would take to get the furniture added somewhere, if it was made. But we shouldn't be allowing furniture as shields. I've contacted 4-Lom about this and asked for a list furniture items he would like to see, and anyone else is welcome to message me here with a similar list. I'll bring the suggestions to the appropriate people and see if they are interested in creating them. Sound good?


My mistake, it must have been a different waterfall shield that I'm thinking of. I also thought the side views of that door covered the entirety of the player, but I made that mistake when looking at the file in your post. Thanks for correcting me.


I can edit the door. Or have someone else do it. But my main thing was getting a door shield through. I also wish to go into gun shields.

Classic is a Medieval type of game. Correct? Or the like "Classic" style.
Yet there has been a gaming nexus, a space nexus,as well as a techno
new years shop starting 2018 and military shop. Now
I have no clue why they were deleted. I assumed because its more "Era" like yet
we now have a military shop hat has cam back for the second time.
If possible, I would love a reason for their deletion.

Jarace 06-06-2018 10:45 PM

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I can edit the door. Or have someone else do it. But my main thing was getting a door shield through. I also wish to go into gun shields.

Classic is a Medieval type of game. Correct? Or the like "Classic" style.
Yet there has been a gaming nexus, a space nexus,as well as a techno
new years shop starting 2018 and military shop. Now
I have no clue why they were deleted. I assumed because its more "Era" like yet
we now have a military shop hat has cam back for the second time.
If possible, I would love a reason for their deletion.

The rule long precedes my time as Classic staff, and has been around since staff approved shields using the email. Classic currently has a very low recommended age (4+ I believe?), and guns aren't appropriate for that rating. There were also concerns about it clashing with the theme on Classic.

I see your point about the space station and retro gaming nexus, but this rule is not going anywhere.

Reggie* 06-07-2018 12:56 AM

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Posted by Jarace (Post 813189)
The rule long precedes my time as Classic staff, and has been around since staff approved shields using the email. Classic currently has a very low recommended age (4+ I believe?), and guns aren't appropriate for that rating. There were also concerns about it clashing with the theme on Classic.

I see your point about the space station and retro gaming nexus, but this rule is not going anywhere.

8-9+ but I understand. Perhaps one day it can be changed. But I guess not for now
Also do you know there is a gun shield currently out?


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