New Uploading System
 

Hello, everyone.

This thread will serve as a hub to inform you all about our new uploading system. You're all welcome to post any constructive comments or questions you have in regards to it.

This new system has also been added to Era, so it's nothing too foreign. We'll have signs in the Information Kiosk for people who don't frequently view the forum.

When you refund an upload you will receive 'Upload Tokens' instead of gralats. You can use these tokens when you pay for new uploads. Upload tokens will cover the cost of new uploads you submit until you have spent them. Any remaining amount you owe will be paid with gralats.

Can we get refunding gralats as well as with "upload tokens"
What was wrong with the old system of doing it
Any reason for this instead?

A visual aide would be nice @Snoob

How do we get Upload tokens? Are they like gralats? And how come we now have a new uploading system when the old one seemed fine?

1.How much tokens does it take to buy a head/upload?

2. How many tokens do you get from refunding?

So is this basically just to prevent people from getting a quick gralat injection from refunding an upload? (they'll have to buy a gralat pack instead now)

My opinion, I think this is to get people to buy more gralats...like yeah tokens work...but after a while of buying and refunding you run out of tokens..then you go to gralats...well it semi-forces you to get them...because if you don't have enough tokens you have to pay with all gralats.. (if I am correct).

Also, maybe like add a way of buying them with gralats...So like for example Amazon...you pay 99 cents for 100 Amazon Coins...maybe do like 999 gralats for 1100 tokens or something.

i think this new system is pointless tbh, the old one was fine and no one seemed to complain about it so i think this change was unnecessary

everyone calling it unnecessary must be forgetting exactly where we are (new guild system)

This change was made to make graal more money

* pretends to be shocked * sure it benefits other people but what about us

I'm sorry, you actually think anyone cares about us? As said in another thread...Portha steals our money, and steals other people's ideas and claims them for himself. Whether we like it or not.

Adding circus tokens etc was just the beginning it seems.

Honestly i have no bad feelings for this new update so far.

what the hell was the point in doing this

The upload token system is a band aid fix for a serious bug that some players were abusing to generate tons of gralats for nothing. The bug isn't something that scripters can fix, so the only real option is to work around it. No one wanted to add upload tokens but they are the best solution currently available.

damn hey hoyt since when did you start working on classic wtf

also what was the issue that was being abused to exploit gralats, did it have to do with waiting until uploads were cheap and then refunding them for an increased price

Upload tokens are 1:1 with gralats. 1 token = 1 gralat.
It works the same way as before, except now you get tokens instead of gralats.

that just tells me that people are being lazy to do their own job. if you're a GP then it's your duty to ban these sorts of people rather than implementing a new system and "working your way around it" if people have kept up with this for the longest time, then would it hurt to keep doing that

Okay

But isn’t the system the exact same just it now gives tokens instead of Gralats, since there is no supposedly way to script a fix?

So they will just abuse it for tons of upload tokens and get more uploads than they actually paid for.

So basically when you refund an upload you can only use the refunded gralats for uploads only.

BaSiCaLlY

I started working on Era and Ol' West a few months ago, I've only worked on a couple small things for Classic though, I'm spread thin enough as it is! I don't want to say much about the exploit until it is totally fixed, but it wasn't anything related to the sales.
More people started discovering the exploit, and it was becoming a serious issue on all of the iOS servers. It's a lot easier to deal with people getting free uploads than it is to deal with people getting tons of gralats and doing everything they can to launder them. We're hoping the upload token system won't be around forever, but it'll be there until the underlying bug is fixed or someone comes up with a nicer solution.

The GPs do a fine job, but this isn't the sort of thing they are around for. GPs deal with player issues and exploits that happen on the player's computer: speed hacking, wall hacking, changing ganis, things like that. Being able to gain hundreds of thousands of gralats a day for free is a much more serious issue and needs to be fixed on the server.

just make uploading free , easy fix

So, 2 questions I got about this.

1. How do we know how many "tokens" we have? I don't see anything that shows any any token amount.
2. How do we get Tokens to buy Uploads?

pretty sure you still have to pay actual gralats. for example, you get tokens by selling uploads. so if u sell an old head you'll get 10,000 tokens. then let's say you want to upload a head, it'll take 10,000g and 10,000 tokens. and also you can see the tokens in your inventory.

It was a workaround for a bug? Hooray for bug smashing!
Whoever spotted that one deserves a free upload token:D

As someone who used to regularly exploit economies of all sorts on PC servers, I can't really conceptualize how there's a single bug that effects the economies of multiple different servers (including those using scripted currency systems using flags rather than the default "gralats," if Classic actually uses that), which apparently works in some way through manipulating the upload system. The fact that this already exists on several other servers would lead me believe that isn't an actual thing, and this seems to be happening as Classic now reaches out to developers from servers that already had the system.

I also can't wrap my brain around the idea of an "unfixable exploit," but I dunno. I do know some things on Graal can't be handled at a scripting level, but the uploading system is a scripted system meaning it should be able to be fixed through proper scripting. Maybe if this was an issue with the survey rewards offers or something like that then this would make sense to me, but even then I'd be pretty confident that a real fix could be made.

I think it was probably changed for the obvious reason, which is that it gates players into needing to buy gralat packs to afford hats and other cosmetics when they're released (instead of refunding their old uploads). If that is the case, I don't understand why it isn't being said and people are instead being told to come to the forums and make vague posts surrounding the change.

You'll never get a cent out of me UNIMAX.

Unlike you people who buy your gralats, I refuse to spend my money on graal to buy hats and other cosmetics, especially when the hats are getting worse.
Whoever made that bloodhound hat should feel ashamed of themselves

it might have been said somewhere but i wasnt looking hard enough: if i refund a 20k head, will i receive 20k tokens or 10k

So if I upload a head for a few seconds just to see what it looks like in game I don’t get my gralats back?

You’ll get upload tokens which you can use to re-upload in the future.

So instead of a refund of gralats, you get tokens. Make sense

So. I mean, Why though? I mean. Kinda doesn't make logical sense to me. So instead of say. This apparent glitch being used to bring in a lot of gralats. It would bring in tokens? I mean I can only assume that is so because it apparently can't be fixed because it seems to be that complicated

Heres a solution.
Pay Your Developers Unix

Delterias upload system is better than this and its still in beta lol

But that means Unix would actually have to lose money!!! OMG ARE YOU INSANE YOUNG MAN?

She got this idea from Delteria