Santa Fe High School Shooting
 

There was another school shooting today...

It's really upsetting that these things are so common nowadays.
Students and Teachers probably live in fear of it happening at their school.
Everyone has their own idea on how to stop this from happening, and not everyone is agreeing.

You have to look at this from all angles. all the what ifs.

Do we ban guns, Do we keep them, What do we do
I mean criminals don't exactly follow the law so even if guns are banned, they'll get one anyway even though it'd be illegal, while law abiding people won't
Besides people can and do use other things to harm people.

This is a serious matter no jokes.

Please capitalize the “Fe” in the title it has my perfectionism going wack

We don't yet know the story of who the person was who shot up Santa Fe, how he got the weapon, and why he did it.

Banning guns isn't the answer, there are better options. People just don't want to put the time in for other options besides banning guns. If guns were banned not only would that be a change in the consitition, but we'd only see criminals with them.

I think most reasonable people think that banning guns is NOT the right answer. I think many people may instead support banning military-grade assault rifles, or heavily regulating them. Do you think it’s reasonable to get an AR-15 in less than a day?

Raising age limit from 18 to 21 makes a lot of sense in my opinion. You can have an AR by 18 but a handgun at 21. I see the reason why because you can conceal carry a handgun but there should be some universal standard for gun ownership. But on the other flip of the coin is that guys get drafted at 18 so why the hell could they not own a gun. I don't really know how easy it is to buy an AR though. Can you really get through the background checks in one day?

The problem I have is how uneducated all the "Ban assault weapons" advocates are. They insist upon banning "AR-15s and all assault weapons" when in reality, its an overglorified hunting rifle with a pistol grip and an adjustable stock. I literally have a Ruger .22LR that is the exact same as a commercial AR-15.

Not to mention, there are firearms on the market that are ten times worse than an AR-15.
I honestly can't imagine what they will say when someone devastates a venue with a semi-automatic shotgun, and if they so choose to use buckshot or some other type of scatter, the farther people run away, the more people would get hit with one triggerpull.

Most of the young school shooters shoot up a school because they have been bullied grew up living a bad life having to go through hard times but like you guys said we don't know who the shooter is yet.

News states that the suspect is 17, so he could not have bought an assault rifle himself, and we do not yet know what weapon was even used. I'm assuming the suspect had something quite crazy because he wounded ten and killed ten. Perhaps he only had a simple pistol, and the suspect is IN custody so he must have run out of ammo. We'll find out more tonight.

Cleaning up the abundance of weapons in circulation is clearly not the answer. Should continue to pump deadly weapons into the already large pool to make things better.

Prob stole the gun from some where.

I heard bump stocks are getting banned maybe dunno how that will help when there are other accessories that make an AR shoot faster forgot what it was called.

From what I heard (If this is the shooting in Texas...kinda sad I got verify it) the kid apparently came in with a shot gun and they later found out he put explosives around the school on and off the perimeter of the school ground. It's really sad honestly.


Honestly, I feel it is not the guns that need banned. It's school security and security in other areas. You can tell with all of these school shootings and shootings in general. They are all planned out. They are all things that took time to think of. If someone SERIOUSLY and truly wishes to kill a crap ton of people in a school. Guns or not they will probably find a way to do it. There is literally things like bombs which are extremely easy to make I've made some fairly powerful ones myself using nothing but stuff in my kitchen for fun. There is still also things like poison fumes that don't give off much of a smell and dozens upon dozens of things people could do.

Personally I feel we should be more targeted on improving school security and also doing things like stopping guns from getting into the hands of people and ensuring peoples safety.

Not gonna bother reading this thread, but I'll drop in with an FYI to let you know that anyone before or after this reply insisting on "common-sense gun reform" should be ignored because they're a broken record that clearly didn't take five minutes to read about the incident:

• He was 17 and can't legally own a gun
• Even if he were of legal age, sawed-off shotguns are not legal
• IEDs and pipe bombs are not legal
• Killing people is not legal

You have fun dyeing your hair blue and protesting for stricter laws against abiding citizens though

Like many people have suggested before if we put a few cops in each school that would help out a lot.

How to make a problem worse 101

It would help but it shouldn't be the solution...

Why do schools of all places need to be guarded like banks and airports? You realize schools aren't exclusively targeted by people who want to go on murder rampages right? The could just as easily attack other public areas like supermarkets or malls. Does that mean we should just station a squad of officers at every place that seems likely to be attacked? **** no. You're wasting resources on the worst case scenario when you could be actively trying to prevent these attacks from happening.

The fact that this is being considered shows that gun control is fundamentally flawed in this country. Gun control isn't just about the immediate transaction between the person buying and selling the firearm, its also what happens afterwards. That gun can easily end up in someone else's hands without any official transaction being made.

Stop getting tunnel-visioned with singular aspects of the problem. Its obvious that there's a lot more to buying and owning a gun. There is no single solution to the issue.

So the kids not even old enough to own a gun and got his hands on a gun we do not know the origin of. Can't really have any discussion about gun control when we don't know the facts.

... What?

Are we only supposed to debate gun control after a crisis happens and we get all the evidence?

I'd say to just ban guns. Idk how children are getting guns but this needs to change.

We do know how he got the guns… He stole them from his dad, who obtained them legally. He used a shotgun and a .38, so the "MUH AR-15" argument that most people usually default to doesn't work here. He was also allowed to walk into a classroom, wearing a trenchcoat with communist and Nazi symbols on it, with no one finding that strange.

How do you ban guns though? You mean to make them illegal? What happens to all of the guns that are currently in circulation? When you make something illegal, it's only as impactful as the society around it allows it to be: our culture is very desensitized and violent, and criminals literally don't care what is or isn't illegal (because they're criminals). Murder being illegal didn't stop this kid.

It's a cultural issue, mental health issue, parenting/responsibility issue, and, in the case of guns that fire at a rate that no human needs to be allowed to, a gun issue.

People can also get murdered with rocks if you stone them to death damn does this mean we have to ban rocks too now or how about we ban knives as well and a cooking pan too! Lots of things can be used as a weapon just saying banning guns will just make the problem worse.

My Solution: Torture any person that shoots up a school on live tv and broadcast it to every school in america. Public executions fix problems theres a reason why we had executions. It was to scare people from breaking the law. Now im no fan of ruling people by fear but it works if society says its acceptable.

Another Solution: Make schools secure as ****. I understand that we dont want kids going to prison for 12 years of their life but schools need to be designed for teaching kids safely. I dont understand why we have thousands of guards protecting paper that has $ on it but not our children.

There only needs to be 1-2 GUARDED entrances to schools. (Do you know how many kids have died from a school fire in USA? 0 )

No more backpacks. (we spend so much money on making schools cute and look nice with flowers how about we find a solution from having kids bringing bags to school this would also have to get rid of homework which facts show only hurts kids. Send children to school 8 hours a day and you give them 4 hours of homework? Sounds like we need better teachers.)

More Police (Not only would a bigger police presence in schools be good for communities and cops to get along better but it keeps kids safe. Cops need to be armed with whichever they prefer a AR or a handgun at all times.)

Just my view on it
Ban my guns crono and try to take them its not happening and only more will die to another civil war you'd be starting.

I actually agree with most of that if not all of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjhWf-9x7GM

I like how people here are using the excuse "don't blame gun law because he wasn't old enough to own one" but if there was a no gun law, there wouldn't have been a gun he could steal.

Yeah because we should all return to the golden age of executions, thats how we evolve as a species. Its this sort of violent mentality that gives birth to situations like this. If you punish people like this as an act of revenge then you can no longer call yourself above them. Even if this system was put into place they would just shoot themselves before they were caught, If anything the situation would worsen. And I don't think you realise just how much power you give to a government when you say public torture is publicly acceptable.

I think the main place we should be looking is how we should cover these events in the media. The coverage will always give birth to the next one but obviously we can't just ignore these events. I'm not gonna stand here and pretend Iv'e got the big solution, but I do believe this should be the world area of focus as it is the most subject to change.

It's too late to have a No gun law in America. Guns are LITERALLY probably in about every house, And about everywhere. I even see guns just laying on the ground when hunting. They are everywhere. There is even guns that just got thrown in the river and guns that are buried around. America is basically a safe-haven for guns at this point.and if you banned guns the only people who would hand over guns are the good people. And all the bad people who obviously don't obey the law won't.

Like I said in the other reply. I don't think people realize that there is literally thousands upon thousands upon literal tens of thousands of guns in the USA, I'm surprised more kids AREN'T getting ahold of guns. And it's not like criminals who have evil intentions will just give their guns away.

Im gonna homeschool my child wen i grow up

For East Asia, specifically South Korea and Japan who banned guns for anyone, but probably the bodyguards for politicians. They have very low gun violence, if not at all. To the point where robbers attempt BB-Guns to rob banks so many times in the history.
^But they have high rating of knife murdering, random "don't ask" / lure murders etc.

But America, I'd say it's definitely different. I mean banning it will eventually reduce to some degree, but (legal/illegal)guns are way too wide-spread already. most importantly, in American people's mentality has like "PROTECT YOURSELVES" as slogan. If someone really comes out with the ultimate solution for guns, I'd definitely support them. So far, nothing we can do. This is why, bronx kids are ordered by parents to come home and play video games, rather than hang out outside, cause it's so easy to get involved with gangs/guns/fights even in hs.

If there was a "no gun law", what would happen to the estimated 360 million firearms in circulation through out the United States, how do you go about collecting them and potentially the millions of others that have been illegally produced or smuggled into the country?

so you're saying if America got rid of all the guns they have it would make the problem easier?

Tomato has a point if the shooter killed people why can't he be executed or tortured after all they do deserve it China does not have a drug problem anymore because they have the death penalty in place I think that's what every country needs tbh so this doesn't happen again.

If people aren't too happy with 2nd amendment then they should leave U.S.A no other country has the 2nd amendment.

In my opinion it's not about guns or weapons. People just need to treat people better.

When someone hits that breaking point they will use anything they have to cause the damage they want. Even it is rocks or gasoline

Torture is not equal to execution.

Also a death penalty would not scare off a potential shooter especially if it was televised; take columbine as an example. In regards to the china situation I think you should consider what the means to achieving that actually entitle.

They interviewed one of the students who was in the school during the shooting and she said that she wasn’t even surprised or shocked, and that she felt like something was eventually going to happen there. That’s so chilling to think about because as someone who goes to a fairly large and well known public school only about 15 minutes away from LA, I would not be shocked if something were to ever happen here.

btw leave it to someone like thallen to come onto this thread to state his opinion like it’s the only one that matters and then not give any input or offer any solutions to this issue, then make some weird stereotypical comment about liberals because “look at me I’m conservative” or whatever. talk like that gets us nowhere and unfortunately it’s people like him who run this country, meaning nothing will ever change. I’m sure there are plenty of people here who would be willing to discuss solutions and possibilities since there is clearly no single solution, but I also think there are people here who just aren’t capable of that. so thallen do us all a favor and keep your promise by staying out of this thread.

Thanks to those who are trying to look over the possibilities though, I don’t think a complete ban on guns will do anything but I definitely think we do need stricter regulations and standards for the purchasing and circulation of guns. I’m very much against the idea of arming teachers however, I think that is counterproductive and idk how I’d feel about showing up to school everyday knowing my teachers have weapons on them at all times.

China is a terrible example for how democratic nations should govern their people.

I don't agree with everything that China has im just saying they have a death penalty if you get caught with drugs and it seems to be working and it would prob work for america as well just my opinion.

Making executions and torturings public is both disgusting and barbaric. This is how Stalin and many third-world leaders maintain power. By using fear and terror. These methods are usually used to keep people in place yes, but it also shows the government is weak and unable to keep their people in check because of other internal problems. Do we really want to be classed with those countries? Probably not.

I think I lost brain cells reading some of these posts.

I totes agree with you. Banning gun won't change a thing, especially with almost everyone in the United States owning a gun. Even if federal lawmakers debated over gun banning, they'd have to bypass the 2nd amendment and everyone would buy a gun in the meantime. Even without the previous statement, the amount of people with guns in the United States compared to law enforcement is just 2 much to handle for law enforcement.

I'm not a liberal but if being reasonable means I can't be conservative then I'll just have to switch my political afilliation I guess.

If you honestly think that someone who deals weed deserves the same level of punishment as a mass murderer then your morality is seriously corrupt.

We all gonna die someday who cares

All I'm saying is that people who shoot up schools deserve to get the death sentence if they take multiple innocent lives cant we take one guilty life?

If you were gonna make a blatant troll post you could of at least made it funny.

Who cares if it's Barbaric? The person literally went into a school and shot up a school. It wouldn't make the government weak, Just would mean our methods are different. Hell we even torture and waterbomb and do other things to terrorist, Some of which never successfully killed someone so we get information out of them. If you shot up schools and take people's innocent lives for no real good reason. Setting an example with public torture would probably teach people that this is what they would get it they caused such a terrible crime. People wouldnt need to live in fear, Unless they plan to shoot up schools. Though it isn't legal to torture people on America's ground. It can be taken out of America to do so.

This marks the 4th school shooting in America this week.

It's not about the punishment fitting the crime, it's about it fitting the morals of the punish-er. Being tally-ho for public execution shows you are no better than them. The reason they hanged outlaws in the wild west is because it was cheaper than lining them up and shooting them, and the citizens of ye olde' days didn't really take kindly to some ruffian stealing **** they absolutely needed to survive. Nowadays we have more effective means of execution, and still we reserve them for capital offenses.

It's stupid to compare the punisher to the person who done the act. Their motives are completely different. You're literally saying the U.S government is terrible because they'd be punishing someone who killed innocent children for no real good reason. I don't know why we live in such a soft generation of people who think that just because you ******* killed several kids with a shot gun that you shouldn't get some serious punishment for that. Or that the government would be weak for wanting to do such. Or how wanting the people who want them to face punishments they deserve makes the people just as bad somehow?

I mean seriously why is our generation so damn soft that people are willing to let someone who done such a crime not get the punishment they deserve? All because apparently such methods only spread fear and terror....which is kinda the entire ****** point. Why would you not want people who could cause shootings in school and kill people not to be absolutely too terrified to do it? Are we apparently supposed to just allow school shooters feel pride in such a thing?

I just skimmed through what Perseus wrote, I don't disagree with it. Anything brutal, including affects on their family (like North Korea) would actually work, but there's no real good solutions for open-free country like U.S.

Some of you're saying the problem are people themselves. while it is true, their easy access to the guns are the actual problem. every one of us have some way or the other have issues. you can't ever satisfy us all, that's why we're going after the weapon first.

go america!

So you are basically saying you want to stoop down to the criminals level. What I am getting from this thread is you want to stop gun violence by adding more guns, and end violence by being more violent.

If the US were to hold public executions, many foreign nations would not take it lightly. Possibly imposing sanctions crippling the US economy.

Uhm no

I think its pretty stupid how you guys think murderers shouldn't be executed for killing innocent people if we don't execute them then they will always keep on doing it doesn't matter if they serve long in jail or not if they know they are gonna go to jail for doing something like this they will try to kill as many people as possible and not have to worry about getting executed.

Lots of big incidents have happened in America because of a gun. Taking away guns will just make it more safe. It's a recurring incident so taking guns away would help a lot.

If the guns are banned/taken away, those who are caught holding a gun would be fined,