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Multipas* 09-25-2018 01:47 AM

"other" gender
 
please add an "other" gender on the character creation menu. you could even add an other gender choice with a text box that opens when you click it where you can enter ur gender. ormaybe you can just have a text box where the gender choice are, add your own?

i want this to express gender for self description and for making accurate RP profiles

kenthefruit 09-25-2018 02:48 AM

Get with the times, Graal.

Pokki 09-25-2018 03:24 AM

sis there are only two genders. and ion care if u want to rp as a furry or whatever just say it in pms because i wouldnt be able to bear seeing genders as “non-binary half dragon half cat furry” or sumn. PERIODT

Perseus 09-25-2018 03:53 AM

We've been through this before. The answer is, was, and should always be no.
Not because I think that people are stupid for identifying as whatever gets them the most attention, but because this is a childs game and there is no reason to force that upon kids.

Multipas* 09-25-2018 04:33 AM

and what exactly do you think graal would be forcing on kids by letting everyone on graal enter there own gender in a text box???
i think gender is just what you think about yourself as a person like how a lot of people think being male or female is who they are as a person....but what do you think graal is saying by even wanting people themselves identify as male or female
i cant identify as this or that cause im not just this or that
so what you want me to identify my genitals on a primarily childrens game?
these and many more are the questions i have when people say all ur shishi
so if anyone could answer them and maybe give me some insight on why id even have questions about your gender traditions itd help me take yall more seriously

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Posted by Pokki (Post 818862)
sis there are only two genders. and ion care if u want to rp as a furry or whatever just say it in pms because i wouldnt be able to bear seeing genders as “non-binary half dragon half cat furry” or sumn. PERIODT

triggered

kenthefruit 09-25-2018 04:35 AM

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Posted by Perseus (Post 818867)
We've been through this before. The answer is, was, and should always be no.
Not because I think that people are stupid for identifying as whatever gets them the most attention, but because this is a childs game and there is no reason to force that upon kids.

yikes kid, yikes

Macbeth 09-25-2018 05:31 AM

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Posted by Perseus (Post 818867)
We've been through this before. The answer is, was, and should always be no.
Not because I think that people are stupid for identifying as whatever gets them the most attention, but because this is a childs game and there is no reason to force that upon kids.

Most people use this game as a way to escape from real life. To drag political and social agendas to graal is not fair. And considering most of the audience of the game is from the ages 10-15 (from what I’ve seen), I don’t believe it also in their best interest to be introducing something as unhealthy as gender dysphoria to them.
I can understand wanting to RP. However, the game does not have races (such as elves, orcs, etc.) that other MMOs provide. Thus, it something like gender complications should also be kept to PM.

Zomgula 09-25-2018 05:55 AM

I’m a white man, but I’m just going to say I’m black for now on. So I’m now an African-American. I have a *****, but you know what, I’m actually a female. Probably the most ignorant thing i’ve ever heard. If you think gender is what you classify yourself as, you just are mentally handicapped.

Perseus 09-25-2018 06:00 AM

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Posted by Multipas* (Post 818869)
and what exactly do you think graal would be forcing on kids by letting everyone on graal enter there own gender in a text box???
i think gender is just what you think about yourself as a person like how a lot of people think being male or female is who they are as a person....but what do you think graal is saying by even wanting people themselves identify as male or female
i cant identify as this or that cause im not just this or that
so what you want me to identify my genitals on a primarily childrens game?
these and many more are the questions i have when people say all ur shishi
so if anyone could answer them and maybe give me some insight on why id even have questions about your gender traditions itd help me take yall more seriously



triggered

I dont necessarily believe Graal would force anything on kids by implementing a text-box-gender setting, I believe the issue would stem more from the people utilizing the function. Once again, this is a CHILD's game. What I think Graal is saying by not having 99+ different genders to choose from, or the lack of a text box is that what you identify as is completely irrelevant to any aspect of gameplay you will every experience. Your nationality, what language you speak, and whether you are male or female impacts your gameplay more than any petty gender selector you could ever desire.
I'd appreciate it if you rewrote the second half of your first paragraph in a form literate human beings can read and interpret, because I cannot make any sense of what you tried to say.

And, what the hell does identifying your genitalia have to do with anything??

ZedFox 09-25-2018 06:43 AM

guys calm down, a simple 'other' gender option is enough to satisfy.

Multipas* 09-25-2018 07:07 AM

Quote:

Posted by Perseus (Post 818874)
I dont necessarily believe Graal would force anything on kids by implementing a text-box-gender setting, I believe the issue would stem more from the people utilizing the function. Once again, this is a CHILD's game. What I think Graal is saying by not having 99+ different genders to choose from, or the lack of a text box is that what you identify as is completely irrelevant to any aspect of gameplay you will every experience. Your nationality, what language you speak, and whether you are male or female impacts your gameplay more than any petty gender selector you could ever desire.
I'd appreciate it if you rewrote the second half of your first paragraph in a form literate human beings can read and interpret, because I cannot make any sense of what you tried to say.

And, what the hell does identifying your genitalia have to do with anything??

my nationality, what language i speak and whether im male or female effect my gameplay.....
whether im male or female effects my gameplay on graal,
whether i choose male or female effects my gameplay on graal,
your right when i select female on graal i get harassed a lot more
choosing just between male and female reinforces all the good and bad,
and what is everyone focusing on right now
if you could give me a theme for so much of the peoples current perception of there lifes
people know what they dont like more than they do
youve just explained ur a judemental burger mof i am too
im asking for my place at the dinner table
your getting seriesd,

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Posted by Zomgula (Post 818873)
I’m a white man, but I’m just going to say I’m black for now on. So I’m now an African-American. I have a *****, but you know what, I’m actually a female. Probably the most ignorant thing i’ve ever heard. If you think gender is what you classify yourself as, you just are mentally handicapped.

why do you want to know what gentials i have so badly, like if im this or that you gotta know,
u a narcissist you cant make a decision without me


i am quit literally giving all you burgers a life to live, im the alpha here
you just cant leave people alone to make there own decisions and live however the balaamb they want

4-Lom 09-25-2018 07:09 AM

I'm sure the 'hackers' with their sub-100 hr accounts in front of burger refuge asking for 'pics' and 'horn*e gurls 16+' will be so disturbed...

ZedFox 09-25-2018 07:28 AM

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Posted by Multipas* (Post 818877)
whether im male or female effects my gameplay on graal,
whether i choose male or female effects my gameplay on graal,
your right when i select female on graal i get harassed a lot more

just hide gender in settings lol

Eugeen 09-25-2018 07:31 AM

Most I’d support is an option to hide your gender since it shouldn’t really matter what kind of gender you are on a game to interact with people
I don’t agree with the “other” option simply because gender dysphoria shouldn’t be put there like it’s supposed to be a healthy thing for kids to worry about

Multipas* 09-25-2018 08:43 AM

people are so controlling about gender how is that not your own solution to your own dysphoria
and really your teaching kids to act like everythings normal we know the answers
when your system is breeding trash

Raeven 09-25-2018 08:59 AM

pls no

Rusix 09-25-2018 09:00 AM

Look, I get that people want to hide their gender and whatnot like Multipas said, And I fully respect that dont get me wrong. But have you seen men (This is mostly a man issue, sometimes women but far more rarely than men) where men look like females in graal? Literally go to the school and you'll find a crap ton, Idk why this is a thing. Or how, but it's frustrating, I know this guy Tameki who looks like a woman, And finding out it was a man was confusing and also made him p*ssed off. And i see more like this every day it seems,

What do I call them if i don't know if they are a man or a female when introducing friends to them? "hey this is my friend he is named blabla" then if it's a woman, I look like a douchebag, if i say SHE and it's a man, I'm still a douchebag, If I take the more offensive route and say IT, Then I'm more of a douchebag. The line of identifying a woman and a man in graal is getting ridiculously thin

Numbrero 09-25-2018 09:04 AM

I don't see what the point is considering you can just put it in your status.

ZedFox 09-25-2018 10:05 AM

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Posted by Rusix (Post 818891)
Look, I get that people want to hide their gender

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Posted by Eugeen (Post 818881)
Most I’d support is an option to hide your gender

not sure if you guys already knew but this is an option already, it's a simple and logical solution to the problem of this thread
https://i.imgur.com/HC30GDC.png

Multipas* 09-26-2018 05:19 AM

someguy- using'they' with people you dont know is accepted by many
but who knows idk u

fox- ty for making me aware of the hide gender option
but i wish not to be invisible...or i guess a blurry spot on my profile?

like gender dysphoria took root in the two gender system because the two gender kinda way is not truelly substantial to the human psyche...

can anyone of the admins tell me why they wouldnt add an 'enter gender' text box

also who has made an account recently?
do they make you choose gender immediately??
or just start you off default male?


in a couple months im making a
"why is being male or female so relevant to graal?" thread

MikvaGraal 09-26-2018 05:56 AM

What’s the point there’s only 2 genders

Zomgula 09-26-2018 06:19 AM

^^^

Ark 09-26-2018 06:22 AM

The real question is why shouldn't there be an 'other' gender option?

Even if you don't accept that some individuals experience a non-binary gender, why would we want to prevent them from being/expressing themselves?

Crono 09-26-2018 07:19 AM

oh boy

Chuli Skotos 09-26-2018 12:03 PM

"other" gender
 
I don’t think a text box would be a good thing, it would be another extra thing for the staff to keep a lookout for. People are obviously gonna put inappropriate stuff in there, and either way, if you are thinking about putting what you identify as, they probably couldn’t tell if you are serious about identifying as an attack helicopter or not.

McCullough 09-26-2018 12:17 PM

If you choose 'other' as gender, I can safely assume you have a mental disorder.

Only two genders, you ****s. What is so difficult to understand about that?

This isn't about expression, no one gives a flying f**k what you think you are because it doesn't exist in your weak, confused mind. If you think people are just going to cater to your wants because you're offended like the snowflake f*g that you are then you're sorely mistaken.

Sir Travis 09-26-2018 12:28 PM

I don’t need to know what your gender is, or if you married your toaster in this shocking shower ceremony

Gaming does not have a gender or intelligence requirement, it’s purely for fun and entertainment

The battle for civil rights is a worthy fight, but this isn’t a good battleground

Multipas* 09-26-2018 02:44 PM

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Posted by McCullough (Post 818940)
If you choose 'other' as gender, I can safely assume you have a mental disorder.

11111Only two genders, you ****s. What is so difficult to understand about that?

2222This isn't about expression, no one gives a flying f**k what you think you are because it doesn't exist in your weak, confused mind. If you think people are just going to cater to your wants because you're offended like the snowflake f*g that you are then you're sorely mistaken.

you basically really care about something you say doesnt matter???
lol can you even see it
your demanding that everyone caters to your extremely limited opinion
you think i have any power here? you see its like 50 v 1 and yall more reactionary than a multipas* hahahahaah

Colin 09-26-2018 03:00 PM

As a member of (LGBTQ plus) I support it. Talking to a lot of these kids, Graal is their only safe-space and place where they aren’t afraid to be themselves even if we all think it’s weird. I personally believe there is only one gender Male (females are basically irrelevant), but I also don’t mind if someone on Graal wants to set their gender as something they came up with after face smashing their keyboard, as for young children and teenagers it’s important they have a space where they can be them selves and not be afraid. I wrote this somewhat jokingly but I actually do support it, I met someone on Graal a few years ago in this situation and they talked about how much they liked Graal because of the fact they didn’t have to hide who they thought they were because Graal is like a second-identity.

I understand a fair amount of people think it’s weird (I do) but these people already have their minds set so there’s no harm in adding an “other” option IMO, I mean it’s not like gender on Graal even means anything to the normal person so there’s no reason to be bothered by it

If you guys really do get this triggered over it then you should support it so you’ll know who to block

Zorma Knight 09-26-2018 03:06 PM

Just write what your gender is on your status, since theres a reason why we have it in the game, case closed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Colin 09-26-2018 04:12 PM

Fulgore for example identifies as uWu, he’s been struggling with alcoholism because his peers in real life do not accept him for who he is, but if Graal alllowed him to be open about this it could save his life from potential fatal liver damage.

Look up “Fulgore P. (Alumni)” he even has an alcoholic beverage equipped, this is a very serious matter, you have the power to save a life!
http://puu.sh/BBjt5/37847e3e0c.png

Fulgore 09-26-2018 05:13 PM

^mods don't take that down, it's funny and I'm not offended

But on topic, everyone already knows who most of the weirdo freaks are on graal anyway so there isn't a need for other gender options

Mount 09-26-2018 06:22 PM

there's only 2 genders, anyone who thinks otherwise is a complete liberal-fascist who is just trying to force their delusional agenda onto an otherwise healthy-population, tricking fat dykes that they're not male or female, or asexual twigs who want to be edgy and say they're nonbinary. This has to stop, I am a psychology major and this delusion has been forced upon me but I can list a bunch of studies and geniuses with PHD's in psychology who agree that transgenderism and especially the "non-binary" social agenda is completely falsified reality. It is simply delusion and I think it's best if we don't brainwash our kids into thinking there's more than 2 genders.

Miscy 09-26-2018 08:16 PM

Even if an other gender was added, what about those that depend on 2 genders like the zombie morph?

kush420swagYOLO 09-26-2018 08:22 PM

My gender is a randomized 4-digit number. I’m also genderfluid so this number may change at any time. It is not my responsibility to tell you what my gender is, you should be able to tell by the way I am presenting. I may not always present as my gender, and if you expect me to then you’re just being cisnumeronormative. If you ever misgender me by getting any of my numbers wrong at any time, I WILL NOT hesitate to call you a transdigitphobe. Sometimes my gender is the product of a mathematical algorithm. You think you can get away with not performing a wide range of complex calculations to accurately determine my gender value at any given time? If I see you even REACH for that ****ing calculator, I’ll report you to the thought police, you massive bigot. Oh, you somehow guessed what my number is? It just became five digits. Maybe I’ll throw in a floating-point just to check that you’re paying attention. If you can’t even extend this basic courtesy to me then it’s obvious that you’re a literal Nazi, and you should just, like, not, OK? It just became six digits. You’d better get it right first time, and every time, or I’ll sue you and have you arrested for hate speech. See you in court, Numerophobe.

Zetectic 09-27-2018 12:07 AM

funny, cause we had this exact discussion years ago too.
and someone listed like 50 other "legit" genders that was on wikipedia lol

Perseus 09-27-2018 01:37 AM

Only 2 genders?!?!?!?

eul 09-27-2018 03:26 AM

watagame

5hift 09-27-2018 03:57 AM

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Posted by Perseus (Post 818968)

Ahhhhh the memories.

Multipas* 09-27-2018 06:31 AM

what mount said about a fascist liberal agenda is valid
if you look into the flow of money youd see support all through the divide by people with cahs money that dont necessarily have anything to do with anything other than a avenue towards a loud voice and cahs money
i dont have anything but myself, i rely on myself
i dont balaamb what you think or call me
i just want to sit at the table eat my food and get on with it
the yall acts like all this lawdi da i say this act that
i has opinions bout house hold appliances
yet what you putting forth of substance
all you have is your community what tf you gonna do
when you dont got what you relied on for so long>balaamb
dont follow non of it
get your crew and live >authentically<
if someone you dont know rolls up ask them who are you,
oil and water dont mix but either/or is not thinking to itself "aww why you gotta be like that"
it just is
let me eat my food and get on with it
all of everything relates
we are not isolated accept by our thought
theres plenty of nutrition for everyone
i got you, if your hungry just say what you want, you will be fed
but be carefull what you pray for, the ones you dont see put you to sleep
yet you asked for it all without realizing it
this all this right now
look around where can you find proof of just one
you just you baby you are special to me, i love graal

no one expects you to learn all these genders unless your actually interested, gtfo narc
a text box is sufficient

we can have anything we want, graalians is a great asset
we dont have to get along
and still have our cake
ill even help you eat

free speech is essential the law should never get involved with mis-gendering thats ridiculous
people should have to deal with the consequences of the truths they are living
yet thats difficult to navigate with people when the divide is so construed

i love you

Comyt 09-27-2018 02:12 PM

this one is very tricky.

on one hand, believing you are part of another gender other than what you were born as is literally classified as a mental disorder and i don’t think we should be promoting this or exposing children to this.

on the other hand, if people start identifying as “other” then it helps out with identifying which players are degenerates. this way, normal humans would know who to avoid, and the subhumans can find each other more easily.

Master Li 09-27-2018 02:29 PM

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Posted by Comyt (Post 818985)
on the other hand, if people start identifying as “other” then it helps out with identifying which players are degenerates. this way, normal humans would know who to avoid, and the subhumans can find each other more easily.

Single handedly changed my mind, #LGBTQJDJWKFIBEBFOS28939_!2

SomeGuy 09-27-2018 03:54 PM

Other genders do not exist. Being gay, lesbian is not a gender but rather a sexual preference right? I dont call myself female because im attracted to females, i call myself a male because i have a **** and balls.

Numbrero 09-27-2018 09:18 PM

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Posted by SomeGuy (Post 818987)
Other genders do not exist. Being gay, lesbian is not a gender but rather a sexual preference right? I dont call myself female because im attracted to females, i call myself a male because i have a **** and balls.

And I'm a male that's attracted to those features winkwink +w+

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Posted by kush420swagYOLO (Post 818958)
My gender is a randomized 4-digit number. I’m also genderfluid so this number may change at any time. It is not my responsibility to tell you what my gender is, you should be able to tell by the way I am presenting. I may not always present as my gender, and if you expect me to then you’re just being cisnumeronormative. If you ever misgender me by getting any of my numbers wrong at any time, I WILL NOT hesitate to call you a transdigitphobe. Sometimes my gender is the product of a mathematical algorithm. You think you can get away with not performing a wide range of complex calculations to accurately determine my gender value at any given time? If I see you even REACH for that ****ing calculator, I’ll report you to the thought police, you massive bigot. Oh, you somehow guessed what my number is? It just became five digits. Maybe I’ll throw in a floating-point just to check that you’re paying attention. If you can’t even extend this basic courtesy to me then it’s obvious that you’re a literal Nazi, and you should just, like, not, OK? It just became six digits. You’d better get it right first time, and every time, or I’ll sue you and have you arrested for hate speech. See you in court, Numerophobe.

I'm offended immensely because my name is close to Numero

Fulgore 09-27-2018 09:56 PM

Quote:

Posted by Comyt (Post 818985)
this one is very tricky.

on one hand, believing you are part of another gender other than what you were born as is literally classified as a mental disorder and i don’t think we should be promoting this or exposing children to this.

on the other hand, if people start identifying as “other” then it helps out with identifying which players are degenerates. this way, normal humans would know who to avoid, and the subhumans can find each other more easily.

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 818952)
But on topic, everyone already knows who most of the weirdo freaks are on graal anyway so there isn't a need for other gender options

already covered it

GOAT 09-28-2018 02:45 AM

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Posted by SomeGuy (Post 818987)
Other genders do not exist. Being gay, lesbian is not a gender but rather a sexual preference right? I dont call myself female because im attracted to females, i call myself a male because i have a **** and balls.

Lies

What gender is Bruce Jenner? I don’t bother with 1st world problems, just curious?

I’m with multipas #MeThree

pacman 09-28-2018 03:06 AM

What kind or riddle is this?

4-Lom 09-28-2018 07:09 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 819017)
Lies

What gender is Bruce Jenner? I don’t bother with 1st world problems, just curious?

I’m with multipas #MeThree

The confusion is gender vs sex.

Gender, or personal preference of partner, is up to the perception (and to some extent choice) of the person. Sex, or the physical body parts, is not.

Fetishes, on the other hand, are absolutely separate, and that's where you get into all kinds of areas that are NOT relevant to a kid's game.

Green 09-28-2018 11:31 AM

oof

GOAT 09-28-2018 06:52 PM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 819029)
The confusion is gender vs sex.

Gender, or personal preference of partner, is up to the perception (and to some extent choice) of the person. Sex, or the physical body parts, is not.

Fetishes, on the other hand, are absolutely separate, and that's where you get into all kinds of areas that are NOT relevant to a kid's game.

The man in a lesbian relationship is male?
The female in a gay dude relationship is female?
People that go both ways like derpy?
Just to confusing to poor ol GOAT. Simple solution is other

#MeThree


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