Thoughts about this year's Graalmas.
 

So I opened my gifts this morning and was really traumatized by the number of old accessories that were reused. I'm also very angry that I only got 2 and a half pages of hats with 650 gifts because I spent a really high amount of real money on to this and some people who did not even spend a single dime got 15 pages of hats because they used the glitch; how is that fair? I know someone who got every single mount and accessories that was in the gift because he used the glitch; however, for the sake of privacy, I'm not going to name him. I just hope admins will do something about this because it makes me don't want to spend and invest my money in this game anymore. I feel like I got scammed BIG TIME and there is nothing really that I can do.

I'm probably going to spend less money or maybe try not to spend at all. I'm really having trust issues with this game. I've been playing since 2012 and I've never been so disappointed in my whole time playing.

,,,what is this glitch u speak of

Yeah I got 5 or 6 of the same 'rolled down hood' in different colors. I'm wondering if FP4's "Accessory fix" that was supposed to give you a different color didn't somehow backfire and just give the same accessory as long as it had different colors until you had them all.

These same hoods were sold for like 5 or 6k in the shops at one point. I had bought one. Pretty lame to get items that you passed up because the colors didn't match your costumes at the same time as getting an item you already paid for.

That and these should be hats so you can wear them in conjunction with the capes that they match with.


Hood rant aside, I was pretty pleased with the ratio of items, the item spread, and the seasonal extras.

Some hats I got should never have been introduced (gift box lid? if that's what it is?). Also there's some era noob running around making yolo swag slotted 'sunglasses' that should be stopped in their tracks. These don't belong in this setting and they are extremely poorly made.

Cheers!

It's where you have to grab the gift 6-9 times and tap the open button quickly and you'll instantly get 5-9 items on one gift, I think it's patched now you can't do it anymore.

Disappointing that there were hats last year re-used in this years gifts.

With all the bugs with gifts near the start of the month, having them randomly disappear/go missing when trading and getting robbed by Secret Santa, the reuse of really old items which really wasn't surprising and the almost hour wait time for vip's to open their gifts, the best part about this years Christmas to me was reading all of the messages people wrote me on their tags. I wish I could go back and read them all again.

its so pointless to spend money on this game

I agree I feel like devs didn’t do their job right this year with all the bugs and glitches it makes the game dull. I’m not complaining about the hats I’ve gotten, I’m complaining more about the fact that people who uses glitch got almost everything who probably spent less or even did not spend anything at all. To be honest, I don’t blame them for it, it is very tempting to do so especially when you know it exist. I feel like banning them is not going to give justice or anything. I just hope they step it up because I’m very tired spending money on this game and not getting what I deserve. I’m probably not going to spend anything on this game anymore until I feel like everything in this game is sort out. The game has so much potential but because of the glitch and bugs there’s no more point of playing besides socializing.

As one of many people who submitted hats this christmas I have to say I was really dissapointed when I found out that I wasn't the only one who didn't get all their submissions added to their account in time.
Apperently the person who was in charge of taking care of the submissions this year was obviously not fit for the job and I hope they take this into consideration next time around.

It's just annoying to submit 21 hats and have someone be really irresponsable and only add 15 to my account when 20 were actually accepted.
I probably wouldnt have found out that this was a mistake made by the person in charge if I hadn't seen other people complain about their submissions not being on their account as well.
I'm just glad it got fixed.

“Not getting what I deserve”. Spending money on gifts (which you know is going to be randomized) doesn’t mean you deserve anything, and people who abused the glitch will be dealt with accordingly.

“I’m complaining more about the fact that people who uses glitch got almost everything who probably spent less or even did not spend anything at all”. What about people who get everything because they spend a lot of money to G4G random strangers who do the same - while someone with no friends/no money can’t afford to G4G gets nothing cause most people only care about actually getting and buying them selves gifts. You got two and a half hat pages and other stuff, that’s plenty. You aren’t entitled to receive every single item just because you spent real money. Both ends of the spectrum can rant about this.

There’s few people who actually gift just to gift, which is the whole point of Christmas. Shoutout to my daddies Dante/Thallen/Shaheen for gifting me even though I hadn’t logged on this month,.

@Classic Staff I got Yule Logs and no cool sick cosmetic hats, you’re on my list

Before you say something please read everything? Because you sound like a clown right now. Just like I said I'm not complaining about the AMOUNT of hats I've gotten. It is what it is. I'm complaining more about the fact that there are so many bugs and glitches. I know I am not entitled to get everything and that is okay.

Also, you say that the whole point of this is to give? Sure I agree for some people that's the case. But don't generalize everyone because some people are only here to play. The people who did not receive anything because they have no money or friends deserve what they get because the people who actually got a lot of gifts are the ones who are very dedicated to this game.

Is Graal the only video game you play? Happens in nearly every game, even ones that toss millions of dollars into development.

People who abuse these always get caught,

The people who get a lot of gifts are the ones who G4G with real money (or money they saved for all year in-game) which is not a measure of dedication to a game.

It's Classic, If it isn't the railroads getting absolutely destroyed and being unusable for months, Or something isn't broken severely to mess up gameplay, It isn't classic.

Gifts have been reused for a while, and they don't really have a choice. Since people G4G to get hundreds of gifts, and they can't make hundreds of new items every Christmas season - it's fair that they pool Christmas prizes from prior years as well.

If you genuinely got "traumatized" by this, I don't think Classic is the problem, at the end of the day it's just a game. Take a step back and take some time to reflect.

No, Graal isn't the only game I play and yes, I encountered "some" glitches but not as many and as often as the glitches and bugs in Graal. I also believe that the people who used the glitch should not even be ban at all, because I do understand that the people who play this game are very young and they are easily tempted to do glitches whenever they learn about it. The whole point why I created this thread is to make devs realize that some people who enjoy playing their game are willing to invest money on to this to improve the game, but until now I have not seen any improvements at all.

And the people who invested money on to this are the people who enjoy the game (means people who have been playing for years). How is that not a measure of dedication?

They don't have a choice? Sure they do. What about changing the system? And no I still firmly believe that hats/accessories should not be reused because it loses its value.

If they aren't punished for it, how are they ever going to learn not to do it? It's obvious they shouldn't have done it.

You aren't buying Toonslab stocks lmao, you're buying yourself Christmas presents to give yourself items. There's a lot more to dedication than cosmetic MTX.

It's graal christmas items that thousands of people have/get, they already don't have value

LOL, there's so much that I can say but non of it will make sense to you. I'm no longer going to argue with you if that's what you want to believe then so be it. The fact that you made fun of my statement makes me think that you're one of the people who I have blocked in the game and just want to troll around for attention?

Thanks for entertaining me,

wow. just saw your ban history. looks like you were on the naughty list, that explains the lack of hats u got

������ keep entertaining me please. You really went that down to check my ban history? That explains a lot why this game is dull. Even admins go that down and help their fellow friends just so you can make fun of others? You’re so funny instead of tackling the issue you’re just trolling around like a kid who argues a lot. Keep wipping the admins a**.

And FYI, i thought you cant discuss bans here.. What ashame admins are violating rules...

Good thing I randomly typed that and never messaged anyone...., but @admins while I'm thinking about it - ban history should influence gift turnout (maybe only if the ban is recent and severity of the ban).

Lol, no wonder why it is so inaccurate. The fact that you imply that you're an admin by trying to say that you can look up ban history should be considered impersonating.

It’s not an “investment” when you complain about wanting your money back because you aren’t satisfied with the gifts you got, knowing it was a randomized loot system. You aren’t dedicated/care about the game if we go by your logic - you just wanted to get as many cosmetics as possible which is all you care about and didn’t, and so you’re taking it out by complaining about the game.

Here he goes again lol, instead of trying to actually make a point you're just attacking me with a bunch of random statement that is very irrelevant. Oh and thank you for checking my profile haha means a lot to me. I'll leave you alone because arguing with a stupid person is just plain waste of my time. As the quote says "arguing with a stupid person only proves that there is two" and I'm not letting you drag me down to your level of stupidity. Peace out.

way too much garbage (furniture, food ESPECIALLY) and some mediocre accessories kinda ruined the experience.

wish i knew the glitch earlier, i would have abused it on every 300+ gifts i opened.

Can we ban Crono? Saying he would abuse the glitch is harassment towards Swoosh since he knows that it would traumatize him and cause emotional torment.

i already reported dont worry hes dunzo

you knowingly invested into a randomized system hoping to come out with some goodies, which didn't go according to plan so as a result you're on a tirade.

seems logical

Better make sure that it all goes according to plan (or better) for some other ppl, then. That way the logic is less sound.

I grinded for gifts, I had about 56, I got only 4 hats and 2 Juggles.

Christmas presents are simply just lootboxes, knowing this should make it pretty obvious to you that you're mostly going to get bad things.

Main thing I don't understand is why you'd spent a lot of money on this game when there's entire threads dedicated to complaints and the way christmas presents work was already known, but it's your money I guess.

you said thank you,next

I grinded gifts, spent like 50$ cause I had it freely to spend. I racked up Tons of food, 64 furniture, 46 hats, 38 accessories, 15 juggles, 10 mounts, 8 bouncy balls, 3 kickups, 1 hula hoops, and 1 umbrella.
Also I ended with like 250+ gifts, I got a lot of donations from my guild members and Jasmine <3.

Personally, I'd say this is pretty okay, and my opinion on this situation is you knew you were gonna a lot worse crap because you got more gifts. Less gifts less food. I got like 100 food, and oh well. I didn't care. Now although people got to glitch and didn't spend money does suck, oh well. I mean life isn't fair, the goes on a game to.

Please make this apparent if you have not already, OP.

Don't spend money for cosmetics and useless stuff in video games. Games are meant to be played for free and to entertain, you shouldn't ever use real money, ESPECIALLY for Graal...

I'm sure you are well aware of the problems with this game, so why would you support something that hasn't been fixed in many months or years?

I won't argue if you flame back at me, because the fact that you spend real money on Graal says quite enough about your mentality.

REKT haha. I still love For Honor though... :p

Now I’m wondering if the devs are supposed to be putting appearance rates for hats, food, furniture, etc. for gifts, because gifts technically are lootboxes. (Edit: I also checked the slot machines and they also don’t have appearance rates.) Would Classic’s gifts/slot machines in their current state be violating the App Store’s requirement to provide appearance rates?

For reference:
https://developer.apple.com/app-stor...ines/#payments
“Apps offering “loot boxes” or other mechanisms that provide randomized virtual items for purchase must disclose the odds of receiving each type of item to customers prior to purchase.”

There's most likely an equal chance for everything, no one just wants to accept the fact they're unlucky but rather pin the blame elsewhere.

uh oh

@fp4 @dusty

Gifts aren't sold as 'lootboxes' to user that purchases them. They're sold as a gift to give to someone else and bought with in-game currency which can be attained through playing the game.

None of the in-app purchases (Customization options and Gralat packs) via the App Store (which that section applies to) are RNG so I don't believe there's a violation of app store policies there.

There's the initial roll where it decides whether the gift is an item, hat, accessory, furniture, food or gralats. There was about a 30% chance of getting food or gralats this year.

Then there's the secondary roll one which specific one you'll get based on the type of gift which all share the same chance.

Sooo getting 5 recolors of the same accessory was very bad luck?

many other games with stuff like this have an info button where the user can see the chances of getting certain items...i think it's standard in some countries. i.e. chance of food could be 30%, then hat 10%, mount 5%. allowing people to see this info in-game would be handy, even though gifts aren't 'classified' as proper loot boxes

Reduce food to 10%

Imagine the toxicity it would bring displaying chances at certain items in Christmas though, because everyone would complain and rant even more.

Like imagine Swoosh had those stats available, this thread would be like a 20-page financial report about how he got scammed and according to the numbers he’s 1.17 items off of what he should have, and therefore deserves a refund.

But that’s like saying purchasing orbs/wyrmite that are primarily used for summoning in Fire Emblem Heroes/Dragalia Lost (2 popular gacha games that are known for giving out a ton of orbs/wyrmite through quests, events, etc.) to be used for summoning doesn’t count as participating in RNG... keep in mind that you can also use this currency for upgrades as well

Purchasing currency for RNG is basically indirectly purchasing lootboxes, and considering the fact that many players are buying gralats to receive hats, accessories, or furniture through means such as slots or gifts (not buying gifts for someone but for trading gifts with someone—especially through Secret Santa) I would probably consider Classic’s gifts/slot system as a violation of the App Store’s rule, because they don’t include appearance rates for gifts/slots

Aside from gifts, what about the slots in game? Simply listing the items included in the slot machines isn’t listing appearance rates. Many gacha games list items/units included in the lootbox along with their appearance rates.

Ok, I get the salt, but there’s always gonna be toxicity whether or not the appearance rates are shown. One purpose of appearance rates is to help a player decide whether or not it’s worth spending a ton of money trying to gamble for a desired item. It’s especially important in a game like Classic because you have all these 13 year olds playing casually who probably don’t know about appearance rates and continue to waste money on a game that doesn’t show their appearance rates.

bruh there'll be toxicity either way, look at this thread now lmao

Christmas in classic is always the same, by now you should realise that you shouldn’t hope too much when opening presents, it all depends on luck.