Too much custom upload rules/expectations
 

i recently uploaded a head, which i spent quite ALOT of my spare time on, only for it to be declined for having "images acting as hats". It was quite a while untill figured out really wtf was wrong with my upload. The first admin that declined my head was Julius, i sent him 3 PMs..the first 2 got sent,on the 3rd i received the Friends only on Pop up. Around this time i was desperate for answers & was kinda pissed so the PM i sent to the 2nd admin MIGHT'VE included profanity resulting him to block me, he was ignoring me anyway. Finally Flo declined my upload but specifically pointed out which part of my head broke a rule. he just told me that any type of hat isnt allowed & reffered me to the custom upload website.

Heads: Please don't upload heads which include hats (and no sunglasses or bandanas)
Visual Effects: No invisible, hard to see or half transparant images.
at first i was like wtf, i spent 12.57 of my $20 itunes card, bought a $60 photo editing product & spent ALOT of time(im an amateur in GFX so i really made sure that the head was on a suitable quality since it was made from scratch) only for it to be declined. BTW the "hat" was made by me, it wasnt a hat from the game that i just copy & pasted. When i read the rules for uploading images i thought it meant hats that are from the game which have been just copy & pasted to a head. Anyone else agree that its too much for $20?
they should atleast consider lowering the price for uploads since some of these hats,glasses,bandanas etc are made from scratch

EDIT:
HEADS:12000 Gralats
BODIES:6000 Gralats
SHIELDS (custom & public):500 Gralats

Considering back in the day such a service would be provided for free.
$20 for anything Graal Online related is too much :D

You don't need to upload a custom, and they have the rules for a reason, imagine someone putting some rare hat o their head, and staff shouldn't have to waste their time finding out whether the hat has been uploaded to the game or not.

you spent $20 irl for a pixel head?

Lolz jester and you havent xD, havent we all

thats what uploaders are there for

I agree with the pricings being too much, but your talking about a company that likes to squeeze every penny out of you :P no offence to them though, they made an awesome game.

But yeah rules are rules bro, sorry that you wasted time and money.

No it's not, i honestly hope you don't believe staff added uploads so they could hire staff to page through them.

No?

Graal is about creativity in many ways. Why limit heads so harshly? You're already charging way too much for it, so just give the players a break.

.-. so youre saying its not their job to view each custom upload?

Are you all kidding... first of when you upload a head you can read the rules "NO HATS ON HEADS" so if you failed to read that dont complain about it. BTW its common since to know ALL types of hats arent allowed. Hats are the #1 thing in graal to express your experience and associations. The thought of it being "O.K" to upload a hat on a head is ridiculous. It would ruin the whole bread money for stephan.

the prices are rediculous, ive tried to talk to stefan about it but he just ignores me.
cut the players some slack, its a game about customization, why do i have to waste like 10 bucks just to get my own work added?

its just plain crazy, id perfer if uploads took a week but they were free, they just need to hire more uploaders or hire one like lollipop, she buckled down and spent like hours uploading stuff to get the inbox down to normal.

30 minutes or less, or the head is free!

The staff must be avoiding this thread...

:| no.. all im saying is the price for uploading my
own gfx is way too over priced.. to many restrictions for 12.57$

no are you kidding!!! 15 mins or free!!!

making my own head and paying 20,000 graalats is stupid, im sorry, but i had to say that ','

true, ace. GIVE US OUR S**T FOR FREE!! (no offence meant)

The funny thing is... Admins have hats on there heads ALL the time, why should they be any different? Examples Flo and Vyse and probably some others 0: they should abide bye the rules also! -.-'

The reason they don't allow custom uploads to have hats on them is because it would basically be a custom hat upload as well. Staff can upload their own hats anyway, so it doesn't really matter if it's on their head.

Anyway, the rules make sense... They don't want small heads because it looks inconsistent with the rest of the graphics on this server. They don't want transparent heads because they are hard to see. They don't want heads that infringe copyright for obvious reasons... They don't want glasses because they are sold as hats. Regardless of the number of rules, there's plenty of character customization you can do within them.

They should put a chart showing the absolute smallest a body and head can be. There definition of small could be different from some of ours. Small is just too vague to go on considering players don't know how small they can make a body or head.

I think the main problem is price, its just rediculous I mean come on, cut off a zero or two, the price is insane.

Yes, it is an insane price and whenever someone says anything the same response is "You don't have to upload a custom head or body." We actually kind of have to since they almost never sell bodies or heads anymore for people to buy at a cheaper price.

I disagree with all the rules...First I mean come on you won't die if someone makes a custom hat anyway.....For ****s sake its 20k!! Thats actually a good deal for them...and copyright infringement ....Oh okay Pokemon(Example) Is tooootally gonna find graal and gonna sue just because a player made that as their custom look...and transparent head...I can see it clearly,I know somebody that has NO HEAD...its missing! And i can still see him...Small heads and small bodies dont fit graals graphics? So what,what's the wrong in being special??? And sorry for this little rant it was just pissing me off....

If i add a hat onto a head as a complement and completely made by scratch it should be approved its not ripping off a rare hat, and the price is already insane.

Nintendo has threaten to sue graal already for copyright before...so yea

You're not supposed to upload a new head every week. I'm pretty sure for most people, it's a one time fee. This way they will get heads that people put far more thought into, rather than tons of crappy heads!

i know, but that one time fee is still a lot! put together a full outfit, a shield, a sword, a body, a head, and whatever a premade hat would cost. now translate that into gralat packs price. look how much it costs. its insane,

Also reduces stealing others heads. You have to think, do I really wanna spend 20k on this? Avoids the simple upload just to piss someone off

Head: 20k / Body: 10k
Sword: 2.5k /Shield: 2.5k
Hat: 5k-25k

40k - 60k at most.

2.5k/$1.00 ... $16 - $24

In reality, it isn't that much. But, looking at it this way, you would need to buy one or two $15 iTunes cards to get a personalized look. That $16 - $24 to get a couple hundred pixels on a server could be used to get 8-12 decent apps, 16-24 songs, or two movies.

A pixel head is 7 dollars (and you have to make it or edit it on your own)
Infinity blade II is 7 dollars

Which one would you prefer?

Hmm... Let me get back to you on that. I'll have to think it through.

/sarcasm

Oh, and Infinity Blade is amazingly sexy.

Exactly my point. The price of a pixel head is exactly the price of a high-quality and well-built iPhone game.

Two heads = a $15 iTunes card
Three heads + 1 Body = $25 iTunes card
Six heads + 2 bodies = $50 iTunes card

Again, im not being forced to pay to purchase these heads and bodies but im not going to purchase one because not only are the prices extremely high for a cluster of pixels.. But it encouraged admins to remove heads and bodies from the game in order to promote the upload system.. Which is extremely terrible for players that are new to Graal Classic...

The only shop left is the lavenders clothing shop.. But im sure thats going to be torned down for another hat shop if you ask me..

Some MMOs are pay to play. Graal isn't nearly as expensive as some games, and the stuff you're complaining about is optional anyway.

It isn't optional for some people. There are those certain players who just absolutely cannot live without having their own custom head and body and having to deal with the default options. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there's a good percentage of everyday players that own a custom head or body.

If you look at veteran players of iClassic who have played since 2009, a vast majority of them (again, going out on a limb, FWIH) have at least 8+ pages of hats.. Some players, including myself, have spent a very high amount of money on this game.. Looking back at my purchase history, I've spent $120+ on iClassic -facepalm-

And Maikeru brings up a good point. All of the good head shops were taken down to promote the upload system.. I've seen people with custom uploads which were just old heads that used to be sold in Revolution, Nexus, Club Crypt, etc.

I don't see why custom graphics are priced relatively high to other iTunes-buyable things, such as apps, movies, TV shows, and music. It isn't like the staff need to price it so high to avoid "inflation" of custom graphics; if you've had your Graal app for a while without having to update or re-install, the heads folder would be so full of graphics, it could take 25+ seconds to load. That's a lot of heads. And if the staff need to make good revenue from this system, pricing it lower would encourage players to buy custom graphics, as they're not at such a ridiculous price.

Customs are still optional

Im not mostly directed towards the price. Im mostly directed towards the impact on most head/body shops that got scrapped and leaves new players in tight situations when getting a new head or body.. The upload system is definitely not catering to new players in any way...

and if an MMO is pay to play... Shouldn't the stuff im "complaining" about matter? It is one of the main parts of the game because heads and bodies play a huge part in the game: Customization... Giving players the option to customize their character... A very important part in a social MMO like this..

Its optional but it does play a huge part in Graal Classic

Your choices are very limited without custom graphics. Also, before the upload system was utilized on iClassic, many players ran around with generally the same type of look, just with varying shields. The upload system gave the players the ability to have their own, unique, one-of-a-kind look. (Save for the head stealers...)

-Edit from my last post, bumped up for visibility-

I don't see why custom graphics are priced relatively high to other iTunes-buyable things, such as apps, movies, TV shows, and music. It isn't like the staff need to price it so high to avoid "inflation" of custom graphics; if you've had your Graal app for a while without having to update or re-install, the heads folder would be so full of graphics, it could take 25+ seconds to load. That's a lot of heads. And if the staff need to make good revenue from this system, pricing it lower would encourage players to buy custom graphics, as they're not at such a ridiculous price.

It isn't pay to play... I literally just sound like a broken record, but they'll get much better uploads if it's a decent amount of money. I've only uploaded one head and i can still "customize my character". If you honestly think that's a big deal, go buy costumes in real life and play dress up! :smile:

Again, that's entirely up to them if they want to have customs! I never once said a low percentage of Graal does it. I'm pretty convinced it's common for players to do this. Now, looking at the amount of custom heads out there, imagine the amount if the price was lower! In my opinion, it would be a nightmare and no one would value what they have.

I agree, it would raise the amount of head stealers and what not, but it would also enable more and more players to show off their graphic art in-game, and looks would become more and more distinct and unique.

only one solution. raise the prices

I dont think people realize how little us teens get paid, you can't ask for a raise because they pull the " you should be thankful we even hired someone as young as you" or the "not like you need the money to pay for bills!"

Seriously, 24 bucks can be a sizable amount to some of us.

I'd rather wait a week than pay that much. Just put a limit of how many heads and body's and shields you can upload, like 5 of each, Lower the prices, it's technically optional but it's a main part of the game. It's like saying the portal gun is optional in portal, you could run around the rooms without it, and try to play without using it at all, it just wouldn't be fun and you'd never experience a main part of the game, same with the sims, sure you could use random ones, but it wouldn't be you as a sim then.


Simply put its too big a part of the game to be considered "not important" or "unnecessary".
Of course this is all being said to a brick wall because none of the staff seem to have the cajones to tell Stefan the truth.

+rep

One of iclassics main subjects and qualities is the development of your own character and the customation of said character in the society.

Anyone who disagrees on that being true obviously never played, or is lying through their teeth.

As for pay to play games costing more, I've played games that are actually free yet can support themself with only minimal income being from the players themselves, and it's not like graal isn't already becoming subscription based. Who knows what is going to become "VIP only" next.

just got a rumor the next area (server) on the server map is going to also be vip only. *facedesk*

What? Rewarding people who pay? That's unreal! :giggle:

should be rewarding people who play, its not free to play, graal is semi free to play, you cant get the whole game without paying, i bought a house, bought customation, bought slots, isnt this all enough? shouldnt stuff be added to the game, not added to the game if you pay?at least get stefan give us a better way to make cash like on iera, youd think he'd learn what greed gets him,

if he wont listen to players, its the staffs duty to tell him what we want.

Sigh one little lazy kid turns this to another fight. Simple if you don't want to buy packs don't and if you don't want to farm like the rest don't. Kind of funny how everyone complains about the prices of stuff in-game and uses the packages as a excuse. Uploading your customs is a privilege. Not just cause farming is low you can upload 10+ heads like you can on era since everything there is so easy.

shut down graal. its the only way.