To re-summarize everything: Merging guild hours is unfair. FB server towers were wayyyy easier than iphone towers. Whole bunch o' pplz are pisssssed that FB guild are filling up OUR score board. And we want these fb guild removed one way or another.
CREDIT FOR LIST BELOW: GOTEN DID ALL OF THIS-v

81 signitures that want fb guilds removed from iphone scoreboard:
Players Against Guilds Merging
1. Goten (Rebellious)
2. Ace (Gummy Pimp)
3. Twilit (Guild B)*
4. Goku (Rebellious)
5.Liquid Squid (Iris)
6. LiA (Helsing)
7. Jeff Azari (Reborn)
8. Vee (New Age Legacy)
9. Azuka Myushi (Soul of Ninjas)
10. Dark z. (Soul of Ninjas)
11. Gaga (Cruxis Evolution)
12. iapollo (Pyre)
13. Sammich (Cruxis Evolution)*
14. Velcius (Cruxis Evolution)*
15. Smaug (Soul of Ninjas)
16. Vot (Cereal)*
17. Raider (ShadowGuild Ensis)
18. Vy (SleepingForest)
19. Ronnie (SleepingForest)
20. Nathan (Pls)*
21. Dirtslide (TaKaii)
22. Skye629 (New Age Legacy)
23. Xen (New Age Legacy)
24. Slayer (Mystic)
25. Skar (Epic Might)
26. Elusive (Black Label)
27. Lassi (Callesto)
28. Voodoo (Vtff)
29. Nitrex (Obsidian Pk)
30. Santa Claus (Cruxis Evolution)
31. Juan (Chain of Memories)
32. Liz (Epic Might)
33. Wave (Rebellious)
34. Neo (Anbu Mist)
35. Nightfear (Anubis)
36. Staind Bizkit
(TaKaii)
37. LGZ (Chain of Memories)
38. Gummy (Chain of Memories)
39. TigerAw Enigma (CoM)
40. Charlie Buu (CoM)
41. Ginger (CoM)
42. Max V. (CxE)
43. Cesc (CxE)
44. Daniel (CxE)
45. Ares (CxE)
46. Hurbar (CxE)
47. Julie (CxE)
48. Sheena (CxE)
49. DC [S] (CxE)
50. Noname (Characters Japan)
51. KinZo101 (TaKaii)
52. Orangez (J A I L E R S)
53. Liz (CoM)*
54. Bowserwarrior (Bellum)
55. Bin (Voyage)
56. King-Shorty (Syndication)
57. Swag Aaron (Flux)
58. ADi Myste (Perspective)
59. Sasuke (Black Anbu)
60. Peyton (TaKaii)
61. KillQueen (EV1L)
62. Sai (NAL)
63. Dran (The Enclave)
64. Torak (Black Legion)
65. Saphrotite ZerO (Pendant)
66. Prophecy (Rebellious)
67. Scott (Freedom of us)
68. FUXX (B A )
69. Spadow (Reborn)*
70. Dalton (TiG)
71. Rebel (NAL)
72. Jake (Illuminati)
73. George (Vendetta)
74. Eatcereal (Cereal)
75. Hyperion (Nerv Guild War)
76. HotSauce (Shaman)
77. Antago
(Sutoku)
78. Raine (Souls of Onyx)
79. Veoxy (Reborn)
80. Squizzles (VeNuS ViXeNs)
81. Dark V (Soul of Ninjas)

Again, i must give all credit to GOTEN for this thread. i only did the typing...

haha I'm on it #42 sexy beast

Out of all the messages only 2 liked merge and a few didn't care. Nearly everyone responded against it. This took me just a day to gather, I can expand this list to 300 probably. In the list there are even a few fb guild players who don't like it. This needs to be fixed somehow now. None of the names are fake, pm any of them if you don't believe me. Solution: Take fb guilds put them on a different board even if there not backed up they can be pointed out by simply looking at the leaderboard.

too late.

add me to the list? xD

It's not too late, simply find the fb guilds on leaderboard and move them. For fb guilds that aren't on leaderboard that have 100+ hours, I don't expect them to ever be on leaderboard. They can't handle this server so there not a problem. It's been done already but who will rage when it's fixed? 90% of tower guilds and players? No the 10% fb who know they don't deserve to be on there. The 1k guilds are lucky enough to get there hat they should be happy enough with that. Just segregate leaderboard...

Poll is extremely biased, I'm going to make my own with no Bias

http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6723

Yours is just a poll... We show names of people against them. This thread is much more accurate yours is a waste.

You forgot to list the people that like the merge.

Option 3:

Facebook hours should have been first doubled and then merged.

sigh, in full support of an alternative Facebook Guild Scoreboard; but I cannot see anything changing. Best not cry over spilt milk.. x.x

More against than for. From when I asked people on graal only 2 replied saying why they were for it. And those are fb hat hunters who pmed lol.

What do you mean seperate leaderboards that would be so lame a ldrboard that never updates anymore? or how would it work when guilds have got hrs on each server? ... Lets just face it IT ISN'T going to be change back or use any other options you make up just get on with it and if you don't like it then theres always that corner you can go cry in lol.

Ur just happy cuz fatal boosted to #6 practically lol.

FloridaOranges, Gricey, Maxy, Ph8, and Skill vote against this, when there is no way that they can deny that hours on facebook were much much easier than on the regular server, as it has been said, its not too late, while i would have liked to do something that only divided the hours of facebook guilds, the lack of records now makes it impossible, sadly the only way to correct this is to reset the facebook guilds, just go and reset all of them on the list that are from facebook, unfortunatly there is now not any other way to fix it.

i admit yes it took facebook guilds some effort, but gaining towers on the facebook server was basically abusing the lack of player account, like when a tower was held during a time the server was broken and no one could connect back on so the guild got hours because so few players were still online. they took away the hours gained from the low player count. so in this case they should make the same decision on that precedent.

if you ever believed that the facebook hours would become equal to the classic hours you are simply lying to keep the unfair hours, and we all know it.

ill ask Rufus, maybe he can talk to Xor.

You cant just delete all FB guilds, some of them also had a good amount of hours on iPhone, like Helsing for example. With no records how do you know how far back to reset them?

I agree it was easy as hell on facebook, but everyone had the ability to go on there and get easy hours, its not unfair to me.

Add my name! iHawk (Chain of Memories)

there was no one to recruit on FB so it was hard to make a guild that takes towers on there.

People got a bunch of friends from iphone and got 1k in 3-4 weeks to get there hat than they stopped... I highly doubt many will care if leaderboard is fixed, they got what they wanted. And there was always a mini pack of players around unstuck if you really wanted fb recruits.

I'll care Goten. Several times our guild Fatal tried for 5k on fb so no not everyone went for 1k. And as someone else said, we had hours on classic and with no records resetting us would be extremely unfair. And if you didn't reset us all the other fb guilds would rage, so just leave it as it is you will get over this eventually.

well if hours from the facebook guilds were added to the iphone guilds it will be logged, im just saying the facebook guilds on there need to be deleted also,

or just reset the ones that got unfair hours, unfortunatly if theres not exact records its the staffs fault, but just because they were careless doesnt mean they dont need to fix this problem just because the only solution left is overkill because of their carelessness.

well, as now it is even more unfair, since the facebook server was used to abuse basically, and as the staff were careless and didnt keep records, unfortunatly deleting is all they can do, but you will get over this eventually, right?

Easy solution just let the FB gangs keep their beloved hats, but only give them 1/4 their time.

unfortunatly as they said the staff were careless and didnt keep records or wait and listen to the uproar, so there is no records of how much they had, while i agree, they can keep their hats, the only way to fix and make it fair is to delete it all, i wish there was a way to just fairly fix it or only minus the facebook time from the merged guilds, so the only thing left is reseting

First of all that was idiotic that they did not keep records, also I bet that people have pictures of FB scores over 1000. Just cut their scores down and any gang that doesn't have any pictures can just be deleted.

I never said that. Guilds like fatal and helsing would only get there fb hours removed. Almost everyone knows fatal and helsing were mainly iphone guilds, I highly doubt there'd be complaints about you guys not getting a full reset.

No Higeby that isn't the only thing. You could just leave it for x amount of time and see if people are still angry about it. The leaderboards will end up like this anyway so what will you do then? Delete them all? No. This is once again a total disregard for people's feelings. Just because you believe these guilds did no work for these hours does not mean you can lord over them. If you do this you are basically saying "oh you got hours on fb? Well **** you cause you aren't important, and we are!" if you are going to take this approach why not delete Cruxis? They are inactive. Or are you going to give special treatment cause "they worked hard". No matter what you may think these guilds still had to work for hours and they do not deserve to be treated like minority's. This is actually a form of discrimination and I for one will not stand idly by and let this happen. These guilds deserve the same treatment and respect of any other guild no matter what they have done to get their hours. All guilds have worked for their hours so all guilds should be treated the same. Or are you all more like the pigs from Orwell's Animal Farm? "all guilds are equal but some are more equal than others"?

In case you missed it, there no hour records so there is no way to do this. It's either no reset or full reset.

Madhog your the one being one-sided. Facebook towers were a joke. Btw I can come up with many analogies like you keep doing, so doesn't really do much to your point.

i never said any of that, please remain objective and not go political over this, i said that yes, they did work, but since its shown that it was much easier than iphone towers, and since there is only two choices, and we have been waiting and its been a problem and still isnt addressed, theres really only one choice to make it fair, personally i feel its the staffs fault for not keeping records on something so big, what a major **** up that was.

No I understand were you guys are coming from. Admittedly if it was me I would be mad. But I'm pretty sure I would get over it considering the fact this will happen no matter what, the only difference is what guilds are clogging up the leaderboards. I am pretty sure people will calm down after a while. And actually I want to know something. A lot of you guys posting guilds were pretty inactive before the merge. In fact a lot of you just got 1k then stopped. So why are you getting all mad now? You were doing the exact same thing a lot of these fb guilds are doing and you didn't complain then. The fact is your all annoyed because you got pushed down a few spots. And if these guilds are deleted/reset or whatever a lot of you probably won't even take towers. You will just replace the fb guilds in clogging up the leaderboards. There will always be guilds doing this just deal with it.

Only part of it was directed to you :0 sorry if I didn't make that clear!

Helsing- 1001 hours Fatal- 1060? Lol right around there. And you could simply ask people.

Yes but if you only partially reset us the other fb guilds would complain and it would look like favoritism.

No they wouldn't lol. Everyone knows what fatal and helsing had on iphone.

I Garuntee someone would complain. Also I'm only gonna be posting on the other thread about this because this could get confusing.

i wanna sign the list!

Doesnt matter if people complain if their hours were restarted becasue they were on facebook. the hours on facebook were just start out fake. CXE went on it and took about all the towers and right after got bored went back to iphone servers. oh and we had llike 9 on facebook and 11 on iphone server with deadwood. No one will bitch if Helsing and Fatal kept their hours from iphone server because we will all know they had 1k.

Facebook 1k was like 100hours on iphone server. didnt a guild hit 1k in 3weeks?
simple fact is that facebook was unfair and should of never thought to bring the hours on it to iPhone guilds and yes in do time the leaderboards would of been filled up but atleast with legit iPhone hours on a guid. Not half ass hours with iphone hours. look at the towers guild that ruled facebook and now they came to iPhone and cant take/hold a tower. some cheat to try to take the tower from the other guilds because they have no real tower skills to attack/defend.

^~~Santa on a roll! Dont let me get in the way, but it should be included that of the few ppl who use FB, the majority were all in the same guilds. Vlads 3 guilds and all the other guilds that did 1k/3weeks, they all had the same members! these guilds guilds had almost no significant enemies, making it all the easier.

And btw these polls dont even matter lol. everyone who uses iphone will vote that hours shouldnt be merged, everyone on FB will vote other way. well guess what? ur looking at a 1200iPhoners:90FBers ratio.

Update: Guilds are now hacking leaderboard. Luck wasn't on board until today. All of a sudden 1080 hrs out of nowhere? After merge they weren't even in the bottom 40s with like 700 hrs. Am I the only one to notice that they just hacked like 500-600 guild hours of fort time? Lol the leaderboard is just a joke now

im 50/50 with this decision.

On one hand if u got more hours on fb it wouldve given u more hours.
On the other hand a guild like zZ FATAL Zz is now one of the top guilds in graal

This dumb game is getting too hinky. FB hours mixed with iPhone... ppl stealing acc's and combining on 1 VIP to get massive amounts of fake pks n ofher stats... PCs' unfair advantage in spar n gs...

heres my new solution. JUST DELETE ALL THE SCOREBOARDS! guild and personal. so many fake scores its not even worth it! (this would mean adding personal spar score next to W-L record) other than that, ppl should be just fine looking at their stats, fake or real, on their own profile/guild profile.

theres no more ways to screw this game up anymore. just do it

You're just upset because you didn't take advantage of the abilities of the Facbook server. Also, taking towers is now called boosting? :sarcastic:

I fail to see why people are getting so disturbed over something as trivial as a leaderboard in a video game. :P

This^ I garuntee had you gotten hours you would be all defensive of it. To be honest I think you are just mad because your guild lost it's spot.

I clearly understand I had the chance to get 1k in a week for an easy hat. I didn't want to I prefer doing it the regular way... Example: You play a video game you play on easy mode get a score. Than younplay on hard mode and get a score. You can only beat your hard mode score by playing hard mode. Fb=Easy mode Iphone=Hard mode.

But you don't even play on hard mode your guild is dead.

My guild being dead has nothing to do with anything. Stick to topic.

I'm with twilit now just destroy all the leaderboards. You can't mix dead gullds who had it too easy with dead guilds that worked hard. Not to mention guilds are hacking hours somehow. (Luck)

Thanks for the solution Goten. Rebellious should be removed! :D

LMFAO ok then bye com spartiate fr fatal redrum Venus Gospal etc. they all got few mins or hrs of surposively boosting on fb also? aswell com have had more than one tower on iphone and CJ and Rebellious :P so they boosted mins cause' 2forts every one min=2mins! omg cheats, JUST LOL...While were at it lets just delete all towers and towertime from everyone and all hang round graal city asking people to rate random pics and become one big boring community. IF THE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT THEN 'YOU WILL GET OVER IT RIGHT?' :giggle:

Lol what the hell are you talking about? AF1 is a hat hunting guild made by king of hat hunters #2 Luvious. (Vlad is first). AF1 was made for a quick hat on fb. You guys don't need your super ez pz earned hours on a board of guilds that had to try...

Rebellious=48 mins on fb... Fatal=1500 hours. Now do the math that is quite a difference... Please stay within reason lol.

I was one of the main 3 leaders in AF1. I personally lost a lot of time and sleep to make sure idle people were cleared for space so online members could help. We had about 55 people who worked their tails off for two weeks to get 1,000 hours. It may have not taken that long, but it sure as heck was not easy shuffling people to different towers every five minutes. iPhone towers just require time and a decent amount of people. Once you have the tower, you just sit there until a big guild attacks you and takes it away in 30 seconds.

And no, AF1 was not just made for a quick hat on Facebook. The guild has existed for much longer than the Facebook server has.

Higbey was stating that FB hours/minutes was boosting; so sorry looks like were all getting deleted with this option. wooo lets RATE GUILD PICS :D... it doesn't matter if it was 1min to 100hrs+ or 1000hrs they still took there time to get these hrs or minutes whether it was hard or easy doesn't really matter your guild boosted minutes man :( should be annoyed at your guild man being badarses like that.