New spar wait time sucks
 

Now if you lose a spar you can't join for 1 minute before joining again. Seeing as I rarely lose (jokes) you'd think I wouldn't care. But I see two things wrong with this

-New players are going to quit more often. If you keep losing and are trying to get better that 1 minute window every time will just get annoying and people will most likely give up

-Series will be more difficult. A series is when 2 players go head to head in a series of spars to see who is better. Something like first to 5 or 3/5 wins. People also use this as a recruitment technique for their gang. The 1 minute window is annoying because you can't keep going like a series is supposed to go.

What are your thoughts on this update?

wow, I didn't know about this

I agree but I think it was added to stop boosting

Rufus had a better system to stop boosting, this update ruined sparring.

Im trying to improve my spar. But now this is like a giant road block x.x

Wouldn't stopping boosting be easier as killing the same person 5 times in a raw stops the addition of the wins count? Same as streaks.

but how? it works in PK because the person gets warped..

Just goes to show how unaware the staff are of player opinions. Go ahead and waste time on updates that no one wants, seems logical to me.

Ya we are totally unaware of players opinions and totaly ignore them... I mean it's not like our iDevice accounts won't have that problem aswell.

And yet it was added anyways. So maybe just a lapse in judgment, or lack of common sense? I don't see why someone would spend time adding an update that no one likes/wants. Jester has already stated some of the many reasons why this shouldn't be added. And the one reason it was added was to stop kids from boosting, supposedly? If people don't want to have any actual sparring skill, that's their own problem. Why punish the rest of the players, who spar fair and square, for their actions. If you guys despise boosting so much, maybe you should actually focus on the boosters, and not implement a "punishment" for people who lose a spar match. I lose all the time. You're more likely to ruin sparring as a whole, instead of just boosters, with the new update. So, gj with that.

Check out iClassic and then say iEra staff ignore you, iClassic has one decent staff member and on iEra the whole team is pretty good. But on topic, this is kinda annoying to me seeing I can barely get any wins now (I never could anyway) but now I'm just standing around for ages waiting for my turn then losing.

then WIN simons, WIN!

I try to melee because I'm too used to classic, unfortunely when bullets are being sprayed at you each doing 10 dmg a dagger isn't gonna do much.

this is just stupid, completely idiotic, tons of ways to stop boosting, and they go for a one minute wait after you lose? iera killed spar. might as well get rid of the stats in the profile for it if your going to be ridiculous and do this. its just the principle that such a idiotic way to take care of boosting, a way that would frustrate everyone, was added anyway, and not immediately removed after players showed this much disapproval.

this is a new low, devs should have never been so stupid as to add this. this is a example of how NOT to fix problems.

Yup. And if they're really as "aware" as they say they are...then it just means they don't care what we think. Which really isn't the best way to run a player-based server, now is it.

I don't know why they added it as I havn't been on RC for a time but I'm sure that not every staff did agree with that. All I can say is that just because an udpate was there, not every dev has been involved with that. Also I am pretty sure that it will be changed again.

We do listen to players suggestions. So maybe you should stop talking random crap because not every idea you are making is getting added. A lot of updates we had have been suggested by players. As long as you can explain them and it's really a good idea we might add it at some time. Making your 5th thread about a trading system which has been cleared a lot of times won't get added.
TL;DR: you are wrong.

This update sucks and should be removed.

It's the best way to stop boosting.
If you win, no timer.
If you lose, timer.
This was added because several people were boosting just in general, and the new log in system they would boost and add it to the original account.
Snk still needs to take the timer off for the training rooms.
Also makes it more competitive.

For the time I have sparred, this doesn't help me in any way, neither will it to many people in the near future.

No it's not the best way, the best would be to make it so if you get a 10+ streak it stops counting.

I should have figured Ken had a hand in this -.-

Yea blame me guys, all seriousness.
But it's not completely done. Snk logged off before he got to fix a few things :(
Complex is messed up and puts timers on you if you win, that needs to be fixed.
And for complex and the elevator spar rooms, it should only give you a min wait per room. So if your in complex you may change to a different room and get to spar other people.
And for underground spar, half the time your gonna be waiting just for the match, so it shouldn't effect underground as much.
Sorry if this upsets you, but for the time being just deal with it. Snk or a dev will fix a few things with it so the timers are more balanced per place.

no one seems to like it except you

and you don't even spar...

Like I said, it's not completely done.

why add something that is incomplete that screws over peoples game play? I doubt this idea will be liked no matter what else you add. The one minute wait after a loss is just plain annoying. Losers want to get better and do not do so by waiting to try again. I learned by losing and adapting to situations. How is anyone supposed to learn if they are forced to sit out after every spar? It's just a dumb idea and it is not the only way to stop boosters. Wanna stop boosters? Take away all the needless spar places that no one goes to that enables people to boost. Can't boost if all spar people have to go to 3-5 rooms.

ken maybe you shouldnt help make updates no one wants, its not the best way at all, any timer at all is bad, rufus came up with the best way, and adding it so if you get a 10+ streak it stops counting the wins would be a good thing to add, if you are winning 10+ in a row you are obviously not challenging yourself.

also making one spar arena that counts like on classic would make it easier to stop boosting.

so many easy things that wouldnt harm the gameplay, i dont know what snk was doing when he listened to such a silly idea as punishing the loser of the spar with a wait time, sure it may stop boosting, but then again the most certain way to stop boosting would be to remove spar altogether, just because its a effective way to stop it doesnt make it a good way, it ruins sparring.

and take that bloody "spar manager" out of your title, you arent fit to manage it if you came up with this idea.
you arent a spar manager. the people of this forum can come up with a much better plan.

Or... Just add "you cannot spar him again!" after killing him 3 times in a raw? That should be easier x.x

Chill, he done a good job, and takes the opinion of others in game... If you just hate the idea just do what jester did, post a thread about it. I do that when I'm annoyed of something.

theres already this thread for it, if i made another thread it would be breaking the rules.

also, he hasnt done a good job, he gave snk a bad idea, didnt ask players opinions on it on here, had it implemented, and it ruined spar. cant wait till its removed and a proper system is added, something that doesnt ruin it,

what pisses me off more is that he changed his title to spar manager, when he has ruined the spar with this horrible idea, the only good thing he could do for spar is if he told snk to undo it and listen to the players suggestions that could stop boosting without ruining sparring, one minute wait time for losing? RIDICULOUS!

remove the goddamn timer or see people quit

Higbey,
You say exactly what I'm thinking.
It's going to rain rep+'s ;)

hmmm i can limit it just to IP?

Remove it entirely x.x no one wants it

no one wants it, its a bad way to stop boosters, use Rufus's system and condense all the sparring to only count in a main spar room, so its easier to monitor and so people cant boost,

you know, its better to ask players than just choose one silly and unwanted plan from one player, that has now self proclaimed themself "spar manager"

It takes too long to get spar wins... now with this new time system it's impossible get some spar wins T-T

hey higbey you ass

Hearing one idea and automatically adding it without any additional say from other players isnt "listening to player suggestions." If anything, it's showing favoritism. Why should his idea be automatically added without any kind of vote, or opinion process, but everyone else's ideas take weeks to be implemented, and that's if you guys consider them "good enough." The fact of the matter is, you can't add something that no one wants, and expect your game to be successful....you guys really need some business classes or something. These are the kind of mistakes that shutdown servers. They cause players to realize that they aren't really being listened to, that you guys don't really care about their opinions, and that they're wastiing their time thinking that you do. So they quit, and eventually you're left with something a lot like PC Era. They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results. So what makes think iEra won't eventually end up like PC Era, if you can't even take everyone's opinions into account. We might as well have a trading system, because our server is gonna end up in the same place as PC anyways.

Fire the cannons!

Just because there is an update on Era doesn't mean we are going to keep it. We're testing how this 'limit' system works- doesn't mean we're keeping it.

I'll probably limit it so that people with the same IP don't get recognised as kills/deaths.

well that only solves people using the same ip, thats not gonna take out all the boosters.

Great idea.
Just need to find a way to stop the people that have there friends help them boost.

Better...nice idea.. :D

I can make it so they can't boost kills if the player they previously sparred is in the list of the previous 3. That requires 4 devices- if someone can be bothered to go through this for a spar rating they deserve it... haha

At that point of time the person who added that seemd like he/she liked the idea. Simply because one person added it, it does not mean that every staff member is involved. And no we do not need anything like business classes. If you got any business problems contact either Stefan or Unixmad since it's their business and not ours. And again it's not favoritism. Like I said whoever added it must have had a higher rank and must have liked the idea. This can also be only temporary and be changed at any time after seeing the players reactions and testing stuff. Yes within this thread we did realize that players didn't like it but just because we didn't remove it again right away it doesn't mean it will never get removed.
And why other ideas are taking weeks until they are added is because either they should not be released yet or there are other reasons. But there is always a good reason why they won't be added immediately. Maybe it's because we are volunteers which are not working 24/7.

Go to LoL and ask if they will add tanks like in BF3. Let's see what their response will be. Not every idea is good and spams of one idea won't help aswell since players think they have to make feedbacks, posts, ... of ideas which have already been suggested or denied.

It's not up to us with the trading system. We would have probably already added it when we would be allowed to do so.

That's not what I'm talking about at all. I realise that a lot of the ideas you hear are crap. What I'm talking about is the fact that snk isn't even planning on removing it, even though every other player, besides one or two, want it removed. I'd call that "not listening."

I'm not pointing fingers at all staff, only the ones involved. I realize many of you are trying to do your best for the players.

consider it

Not really a good solution @ Jester

Script spar_new updated by xAndrewx
Script spar updated by xAndrewx

I've removed the timer, so boost for the next 24 hours as the new system will be developed and released within this time!!

He is planning on removing it or why do you think is he asking for suggestions and making your all loved "vote"? He listened to the cons of Higbey aswell and suggested something else.

Explain it's flaws?

Oh I didn't see this.

You clearly don't know me haha- read above posts?

Just because Era doesn't promote Graalians.com doesn't mean I don't listen.