Meditate is unfair
 

I recently found out that the meditate item given away at a gst a while back has practical uses. It slowly regens your health, acting as a good alternative to burgers allowing you to heal at forts while out of combat. It's ok to make interesting cosmetic items exclusive, but items that are helpful should not be unavailable to the whole community. Items like the coin flip and dice roll that are unique items that differentiate from standard gani items are ok as they are not benificial to forts or other competitive play.


Solution:
Give meditate away through a quest of some sort, and give people who already owned the item a new unobtainable item that isn't an unfair advantage, as well as 2500 gralats as a refund. There will probably be a little complaining, but it will go away quickly.

I don't think that would be fair to give it away. It takes 12.5 seconds to refill .5 of your health. Plenty of time to get attacked while using it.

With 12.5 seconds to refill .5 of your health, it sounds like it would be far more practical to just heal yourself with burgers or just die.

It is. It's pretty useless at forts. You're better off killing yourself or having someone kill you.

Now that this is established, I think that we can safely assume that the meditate rug, as most things on Graal, is for cosmetic purposes. Thus, this thread is pretty much pointless.

doesnt matter how ineffective it is, it still does something, the gst items and all the paid for items are supposed to be vanity items and cosmetic, if you add anything gameplay wise it needs to have a quest for it, alternativly they could make a new item and boost it and the meditate so they are more useful and anyone can get it doing a quest.

*cough* Double person mounts *cough* Holds five bombs.

that was something that should never had happened, as well as the default horse being available for free in balamb for new players.

incidentally those unfair silly two person mounts also cost a lot of money, and ignore the fact that all mounts are supposed to be the same gameplay wise and only for vanity, basically they could have made it so all mounts could hold two people, although on some shorter mounts it would look a bit weird with one player on the very end. horse breaths fire rate is OP anyway.

Is this thread serious? :P

I know it doesn't seem like much, but it is useful being able to heal a bit without needing burgers (what is this? Era now? Food items for health?)

It's more of a matter of principal. All gameplay effecting perma items are supposed to be obtainable for free/ from a quest.

Maybe a sleep gani? Or some sort of particle effect like the snowstorm but healing like a healing spell?

Where does it say this anywhere?

Besides, meditate literally doesn't change the gameplay for anyone. This thread is just complaining for the sake of complaining.

It does something. It heals. Therefore, it effects gameplay, if it's not effective enough then boost it and the item obtainable from the quest.

If it does something that isn't cosmetic, then it's supposed to be obtainable for free or by quest by everyone.

Now if you'd like to stop trying to argue for the sake of not doing something and stopping progress and would instead like to help with ideas and set ups for a quest for a new healing item that would be great.

But no one conveniently uses meditate to heal. Therefore, it doesn't affect the gameplay. They also aren't going to boost it because they sell healing items for a reason.

as for a default horse on balamb for free, now this would be easy, I could do the default horse tied to a stake graphic, there could be a old man that says he is too old to keep riding his horse, and that it deserves a young rider who will use it more than he could.

Now for the healing, as that has to so with life and healing it should be something connected to the legendary heroine "Hera". (read books in the office in the bank)

I like the idea of the particle effect thing like the snow storm item, but with no snow flakes and green, healing magic. Maybe a healing spell taught by Hera?

As for the quest it would depend on what could be scripted, that would be sorted our later,

Would you quit trying to fight it? It does something that effects the game other than cosmetic purposes, it should be available to everyone for free or via quest, it could be used for a mini "quest", which could tide some players over during periods when nothing is really being released, such as when areas are being worked on and not near to release.

It was a GST item, the people who made it to the second round had a chance to win this gani. Does it serve any useful purposes? No.

You can have your own opinion, I just think it's very trivial to be worried about this.

Anyway, Hera should be represented almost like a goddess, she is the legendary one (other 5 are Azrael, Galen, Pachuka, Mandi, and Ultimate weapon)

She represents caring and life, youll read about the tears of Hera, already came up with a backstory to them involving Pachuka, there's a lot that I have ideas for, have to go over it with Rufus and Xor,

Anyway should get there opinions and ideas about it and find out what possible before I plan out the storyline, it'll be a basic "quest", limited scripters and Rufus has lots of projects and all.

As far as graphics I'll have to ask Rufus about any more canon pc graal info on Hera, so I can tie that in, I already know someone who is a pro at female heads and Rufus and me are friends with, once again a lot to get sorted out, getting ahead of myself.

Anyone have any ideas on it? As far as type of quest, location? The healing item?

Gst isn't for everyone, not everyone can make it to second round, and even then it was just a chance to get it. I'm not saying meditate should be released, no the GST players that got it deserve it to be special, but a different item that has the same effect should be released as a "quest" item as I'm talking about.

So, the ideas about the quest?

I'm really excited, this will be nice, a step toward a connected storyline that uses the old pc classic canon, bent and edited and pasted all together with different interpretations,

The 6 legendary ones, the Graals, the health, the weapons, it's all fitting together so easily!

I'm gonna make my font size bigger to help me get this point across.

Meditate does **** all.

Seriously. Stop complaining about stupid **** that has next to no effect on anything whatsoever. It heals so slowly (and opens you up to damage by arrows) that any healing properties it has are completely negated by one attacker/pker/baddy for Christ's sake.

Does not matter. It still does something regardless. Its not complaining its coming up with a idea and quest and stuff to make the game better. Maybe if it doesn't do enough it and the quest item will be improved, but again, not supposed to be used while under attack,

I love how any item that gives any advantage even though those players won fair and square is almost always rallied against.
Why doesnt. Someone make sure the maps heal pots arent off balance while your at it?
Dont they need a quest to add it too though?

Once they start making quests they can add it to that. But removing the item, for basically indefinitely till a quest is added is obsurd. Just because one tiny little item makes someone a wee bit better doesnt mean graal will end.

Higbey I understand what you're trying to say, and it's a nice thought that the GST items should be consistently and purely cosmetic, and a healing item should be released another way, but your argument really boils down to "it's wrong because I said it shouldn't be there" and unless you can find some other way to either justify the removal/alteration of the meditate item, you really need to shut the **** up, or make this quest you're going on about. Don't look at Ruf, it's all on your shoulders.

Dear god just remove this thread so pointless. I would bomb myself than use mediate any day and I have the item as well. Main reason why i use it is to look cool up in the air lol.
and no matter what it is towers are towers you die you spawn no real point to regain health.

Just another whining thread... It does heal you very slow and is just a little addition. It's like a reward for being good enough to enter the GST, since it seems to be pretty hard now.

Haha, good one.

No where did I say the original meditate should be removed or released, I said a item that can heal like it should be obtained for free or via quest, also I was saying a idea for the quest and have it all planned out to show Rufus and Xor, I was asking for ideas on location and stuff doing with the quest.

Burgers are already freely accessible, you don't need to make another healing item for everyone.

Burgers are a limited item. No matter what you say you can't beat the fact that the meditate does something other ganis don't do, so it needs to be available via a quest or free.
I've already got it all set up, just gotta tell Rufus and Xor, you can't complain there aren't enough quests and lore and then try to stop a quest being made.

If you have the coin flip gani, you can flip a coin while defending a tower. 50% chance you stay up by the flag safely, 50% chance you go down and get killed. OMG IT IS TOO POWERFUL! remove it from the game!

lololololololol ^
Don't get me started with the buttshake assholes. Way too OP

I would like Higbey to seriously consider this as this could potentially have a much larger influence on gameplay than the meditate item.

Levitate was only over powerered when KOTH existed

Even then it wasn't really, most people got caught before they healed more than 0.5.

False ^

Players won meditate fair and square through gst. Any player can join gst therfore in a way it is accessable to everyone. And what is the plot of the quest then?

ROFL

At towers people do constantly heal with meditate all the way... I will say that

Classic doesn't take much to be balanced and meditate isn't a huge advantage but it is an advantage that some players don't have acess to. Whether or not you think it matters isn't the issue.

thank you, thats what ive been saying its a great way to have a reward for a quest that isnt a useless gani or morph, if the rate isnt good enough, maybe it could be boosted on both items, as i was saying, yes people got the gst item fair and square, they can keep it, but a different version with the same healing effect needs to be available for free or via a quest, i already have a idea for it as part of a big connection for a actual storyline, ill explain that later, as the specifics dont matter and even if this isnt a official forum with a huge amount of players i still dont want to spoil it, and as such i think the quest itself wont be discussed here, as i dont know what the scripters could do, its really up to them, but the storyline is set up,

Come on guys it's meditate. It takes much longer to heal with that than just using a bed or healing jars. It's not going to ruin the game. Also, the item IS available to players. It's available every guild spar tournament in the mystery gift boxes. If you decide not to enter you missed out. If you don't win round one than you didn't unlock it. It's not like this is an exclusive thing.

Yeah, some people can't seem to grasp that it was available to everyone. It was a prize for the GST. Yes, it absolutely does do something other ganis can't do, but the people in the GST won it fair and square. Judging by the responses in this thread, it honestly isn't a big concern.

They also sell food items for a reason. In my opinion, making a healing item that requires nothing to generate your health would negatively affect the game.

requires participation in gst, as honestly i dont know why they even made the meditate available in the gst instead of making it a quest item, but since its now out it cant be taken away, so another item that can be gotten without being in a guild and available to everyone is necessary, also because of the limit on amount of guilds, and limit on ammount of players in each team, and the fact only half will make it to round 2, and even then you may not get it from the box, that makes it impossible for everyone to have a chance to get it.

nothing can change that, the effectiveness cant change that, there is no arguing against it, it effects gameplay and is not available to everyone, so a item doing the same as meditate needs to be released, its a matter of principle,

anyway, i have a good idea for the quest, connected to the plan for the new storyline,

how meditate is unfair:
lets say i am attacking sardons tower.
that tower is extremely hard to attack, and me and my guild finally get to the roof and bring people to low health! we are now in a great position for wiping out their defenders and capturing the tower. after a long time of attacking, we get to the roof again, it is our chance! then, we hit them and it says "2.5" because they have been meditating. if they did not have meditate, we could have taken their tower. but they had meditate.

and thats why all players need the ability to get a item like meditate, even if it barely does anything, if it does something, there needs to be a quest or free item that can also do it,

It's just a gani towers are a challenge anyway. Suck it up 10 years from now you probably won't even know you played this game.

Oh for the love of... Okay the answer is simple. Participate in guild spar tournaments. You can't get quest items without participating in quests correct? Every single person on Graal has a chance to enter and win the guild spar tournament. The main question is are they good enough to make it to the part in which you receive the item? Yes, there are many items you can get in the mystery boxes. If you don't get meditate tough luck. Better luck next tourney. The point is the item IS available to everyone, but it is indeed difficult to achieve if you are not prepared to win the first round in the tourney or get the item in the gift boxes. Think of the item as one big quest itself.

That one sentence sums it up.

Here, take my internets.

<3

+1

Its available to everyone... All you have to do is enter the gst and not suck or go against US for one round

Can all the people stop complaining or go out and make the quest?

+1 for saying it all.

We should take the spike room and bombs/arrows away then if it is unfair because the guild can kill each other and get back to full health, Spikes because most players kill themselves to get all full hp.

Really meditate is in no way useful in towers. I would know i am a tower leader.
this is just another cry baby forum. Anyone can get into GST if you train and work hard.

more like setting up a quest, im asking people for ideas for the quest as i was saying, but you are all too busy trying to stop progress to get involved in the making of a quest, once again ive got to talk to rufus about it when he is free and not so inundated with projects,

i got the storyline and alot of stuff for it connected and figured out, but as for the actual quest itself, like what to do, and the challenges for it, that would help and id like it if graalians helped contribute to it,

This is how you sound.

"Hi, I'm Higbey! You guys like meditate right? Thought so. And you don't think it should be made freely available through a quest? Awesome! Now then, help me with my quest you scrubs and stop getting in the way of it! Help me! Work! I've already done so much work on the storyline, aka the easiest part of the quest, it's your turn to help with this thing you don't even want!"

+charlie sheen level win