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Rufus 07-29-2012 05:23 PM

Nightstalking.
 
Last night a player named COSŪ submitted an idea through feedback and I thought I would share it.

The basic premise is that we have a day-night system and this has been already discussed at length. However, the guy elaborated a little further on it. During the night here are no guards protecting regions or safe-zones. Because of this, everywhere is essentially a pk-zone and a free for all. Not only would there be PKers ravaging the streets, but there would be an increase of baddies roaming the world. There would be certain areas that would only be accessible during the night such as areas that are usually guarded opening up for exploration and questing. Etc etc etc.

Obviously he's just elapsed a little on having a day-night system, but I really love the idea of the world map being entirely PK during night. It makes sense, it gives people a specific timeframe in which PKing is everywhere, and I think as a whole the idea is very immersive. We lost the battle for making the world map permanently a pk-zone and this seems like the best solution that has been suggested so far.

Your thoughts?

Talon 07-29-2012 05:33 PM

That actually sounds like a hell of a fun idea. How would the day/night system be implemented, though? Would there just be one universal nighttime for every time zone?

Rufus 07-29-2012 05:35 PM

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Posted by Talon (Post 169608)
That actually sounds like a hell of a fun idea. How would the day/night system be implemented, though? Would there just be one universal nighttime for every time zone?

6 hours in a 'Graal day' probably.

G Fatal 07-29-2012 05:46 PM

Well you are development staff and you already know players wanted day/night system..and I'm sure lot will love this idea, so make this happen :3

Wester 07-29-2012 05:46 PM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 169610)
6 hours in a 'Graal day' probably.

That seems legit. Just don't do it as the weather system on iEra. Raining 5 mins, sun 5 mins, and so on.

Rufus 07-29-2012 05:47 PM

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Posted by Gricey (Post 169613)
Well you are development staff and you already know players wanted day/night system..and I'm sure lot will love this idea, so make this happen :3

Ya and I'm also the person who made Graal City a pk zone and we all seen how that turned out.

Emera 07-29-2012 05:47 PM

Love the idea.

callimuc 07-29-2012 05:49 PM

love it. can be funny to see it in action, aswell to create it

G Fatal 07-29-2012 05:55 PM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 169617)
Ya and I'm also the person who made Graal City a pk zone and we all seen how that turned out.

Its good to try stuff out, else you'll never know how it would turn out.
The only people who didn't like graal city pk was the afkers and virtual dating players... Much more would rather see gameplay than sit around doing nothing on a game.

Chaotic 07-29-2012 06:21 PM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 169595)
Last night a player named COSŪ submitted an idea through feedback and I thought I would share it.

The basic premise is that we have a day-night system and this has been already discussed at length. However, the guy elaborated a little further on it. During the night here are no guards protecting regions or safe-zones. Because of this, everywhere is essentially a pk-zone and a free for all. Not only would there be PKers ravaging the streets, but there would be an increase of baddies roaming the world. There would be certain areas that would only be accessible during the night such as areas that are usually guarded opening up for exploration and questing. Etc etc etc.

Obviously he's just elapsed a little on having a day-night system, but I really love the idea of the world map being entirely PK during night. It makes sense, it gives people a specific timeframe in which PKing is everywhere, and I think as a whole the idea is very immersive. We lost the battle for making the world map permanently a pk-zone and this seems like the best solution that has been suggested so far.

Your thoughts?

Sounds like a good idea. Maybe 20 minutes of day, 20 minutes of night per cycle?

Emera 07-29-2012 06:25 PM

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0...ight_large.jpg
Something like this would be nice.

Rufus 07-29-2012 06:26 PM

That's a good example. It would probably be one hour morning, two hours day, one hour evening, one hour night, one hour late night. The last two would be pk. You'd end up with four days per real day, 4 hours of day and 2 hours of night.

NCJohn 07-29-2012 06:33 PM

Amazing idea, love it

Pimpsy G. 07-29-2012 06:47 PM

Hmm, I would probably make night time a little shorter. One hour seems like around the max for night in my opinion, as two hours of pk free for all might cause the same effect as permanent free for all. Two hours is a long time for a game and it will end up being 8 hours per real day of being free for all Pk.

Emera 07-29-2012 06:51 PM

4 days for every real day sounds great. Love the idea.

Ro$$y 07-29-2012 06:56 PM

This is a really good idea rufus you should try it out if it turns out good or not

Dusty 07-29-2012 06:59 PM

"Trying" out free PK is pretty easy. "Trying" a full day/night system is not as easy and takes way more effort to make it happen... having it shot down by Stefan afterwards would blow.

Admiral 07-29-2012 07:01 PM

Yeah, sounds fun. Turns Graal into a survival game xD

Nice idea COS!

Remorse 07-29-2012 07:02 PM

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Posted by Emera (Post 169644)

Rep for the pokemon screenshot

Maxy 07-29-2012 07:11 PM

would forts still be full pk?

Admiral 07-29-2012 07:18 PM

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Posted by Maxy (Post 169687)
would forts still be full pk?

I reckon. The only safe places are inside shops, resteraunts etc.

Emera 07-29-2012 07:21 PM

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Posted by Reece (Post 169694)
I reckon. The only safe places are inside shops, resteraunts etc.

Perhaps those useless inside levels will actually become of use when the PK period comes around.

Godoco 07-29-2012 09:04 PM

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Posted by Rufus (Post 169610)
6 hours in a 'Graal day' probably.

I think it would be better if it was "Graal Night" when it isn't Night in real life, so people like me, who are 12 and younger that have 'bedtimes' could still get some PK's in during the day.

Rexx 07-29-2012 09:09 PM

Great idea.

iSilver 07-29-2012 09:11 PM

amazing idea.

frenzy 07-29-2012 09:28 PM

Damn, this would actually make the game have a really cool edge, kind of like the graal city being all pk area, but only at night, I like it.

Tyler 07-29-2012 09:52 PM

Sounds like a fantastic idea. It would definitely give players more to do and it would be cool to see a day/night zone. I support this idea.

D-Vader 07-29-2012 11:26 PM

Great idea. I would love for this to be implemented.

callimuc 07-30-2012 02:53 AM

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Posted by GodoT (Post 169775)
I think it would be better if it was "Graal Night" when it isn't Night in real life, so people like me, who are 12 and younger that have 'bedtimes' could still get some PK's in during the day.

There are different time zones. Having it 6 hours per Graal day is a good idea and pretty much balanced for everyone

Blueh 07-30-2012 03:35 AM

As the sickly white sun began to set beneath the tower, the guards began to slowly subside and submit to the darkness. The legion of Baddies began to arrise and slash out at citizens. Creating chaos in all the land. The wicked warriors began to spill the blood of the righteous, in what was once a sanctuary of peace and property laid ruins and death.

The flames of the heart of Graal were extinguished. And so were the minds of the sane, corrupting the citizens into the carnage and frenzy amongst the damned legions. Only few seek shelter in what was a safe area before. Their eyes were wide open, for they knew darkness would await either way.

Dare you combat the legions of baddies and your corrupted fellow Graalians? Or do you join the ranks amongst the murderers, thieves and th-


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Ash* 07-30-2012 03:43 AM

very cool idea 100% agree with it

Eroz 07-30-2012 03:48 AM

this is good.

kilik 07-30-2012 05:35 AM

make the day/night cycle in general that alone is a good idea. Then try the free for all pk at night times after the fact. at the very least we will have a day/night cycle that we can use to have different types of quests, hidden areas, etc

Nivag pls 07-30-2012 05:47 AM

I really like the day/night system... I support this.

Pazx 07-30-2012 06:08 AM

I'd recommend 3 and a third, or 3 and a quarter, or some sort of mixed number for the number of graal days per 24 hours, as this would allow the time of "late night" to change day to day. It'd kinda be a pain in the ass to only be able to play during the day, or vice versa.

Admiral 07-30-2012 09:22 AM

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Posted by Blueh (Post 170104)
As the sickly white sun began to set beneath the tower, the guards began to slowly subside and submit to the darkness. The legion of Baddies began to arrise and slash out at citizens. Creating chaos in all the land. The wicked warriors began to spill the blood of the righteous, in what was once a sanctuary of peace and property laid ruins and death.

The flames of the heart of Graal were extinguished. And so were the minds of the sane, corrupting the citizens into the carnage and frenzy amongst the damned legions. Only few seek shelter in what was a safe area before. Their eyes were wide open, for they knew darkness would await either way.

Dare you combat the legions of baddies and your corrupted fellow Graalians? Or do you join the ranks amongst the murderers, thieves and th-


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Lmao. Funny, but the only event I reckon they would host is Juggernaut :P

twilit 07-30-2012 02:09 PM

i reallllly like this idea... :/ but this game is worldwide. i bet the japanese wouldnt enjoy playing with a darkened screen, no safe zones, and more baddies everyday when its daytime for them.

Dusty 07-30-2012 02:17 PM

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Posted by twilit (Post 170394)
i reallllly like this idea... :/ but this game is worldwide. i bet the japanese wouldnt enjoy playing with a darkened screen, no safe zones, and more baddies everyday when its daytime for them.

You're not very good at comprehending things, are you?

MrSimons 07-30-2012 02:54 PM

The guards are already all inside. PK FOR ALL!!!!

Pazx 07-31-2012 01:19 PM

Whoa! My entire brain just skidded to a stop. If at night, it's as laggy as deadwood is usually, I want none of this. And if Deadwood is any darker, it might as well be a black screen. I struggle to see the entirety of Deadwood, the caves, and Snowtown fort usually, so I'm not really sure I'm too keen on this idea anymore.

Psycher! 07-31-2012 11:12 PM

That idea....it is....AMAZING. Things would be much more fun with a free-for-all time for PKing, as well as new things that can only be accessed at night. Another benefit of this idea is that it would discourage pointlessly AFKing in Graal City for virtual dating and begging for money or getting hours. Sure, they could still AFK during the day and indoors, but that's far less annoying to look at than having them sit there non-stop advertising how single and desperate they are or how they can't be like normal people and farm/buy gralat packs/do the pyrat quest. The only possible downside I can see with this is what Pazx brought up, since in certain places it may lag up or be too dark to see.(I'm looking at you, Deadwood.) If that problem can somehow be resolved, then this idea is perfect for implementation. I think I'll congratulate the person mentioned in the first post next time I log into iClassic.

Dusty 07-31-2012 11:21 PM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 171108)
Whoa! My entire brain just skidded to a stop. If at night, it's as laggy as deadwood is usually, I want none of this. And if Deadwood is any darker, it might as well be a black screen. I struggle to see the entirety of Deadwood, the caves, and Snowtown fort usually, so I'm not really sure I'm too keen on this idea anymore.

If you're experiencing lag because of the night effect, chances are you're on a very old iPod. Most games are phasing out support for the older iPod's because of its very restrictive hardware... why should Graal limit itself?

Psycher! 07-31-2012 11:25 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 171432)
If you're experiencing lag because of the night effect, chances are you're on a very old iPod. Most games are phasing out support for the older iPod's because of its very restrictive hardware... why should Graal limit itself?

It's just nice to be considerate of those with older hardware/software. Of course, Graal shouldn't limit itself, but some of its players may not have the latest in Apple hardware, so they should still be considered.

Dusty 07-31-2012 11:29 PM

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Posted by Psycher! (Post 171437)
It's just nice to be considerate of those with older hardware/software. Of course, Graal shouldn't limit itself, but some of its players may not have the latest in Apple hardware, so they should still be considered.

There's considered, and then there's completely gimping and holding itself back to cater to players with 5+ year-old hardware. I think Graal has done a pretty good job taking into consideration the hardware of older generation iPod's, but to ditch a great and immersive idea like this that's getting a lot of good feedback simply because some players don't have better hardware is silly.

Psycher! 07-31-2012 11:41 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 171441)
There's considered, and then there's completely gimping and holding itself back to cater to players with 5+ year-old hardware. I think Graal has done a pretty good job taking into consideration the hardware of older generation iPod's, but to ditch a great and immersive idea like this that's getting a lot of good feedback simply because some players don't have better hardware is silly.

Not implementing an idea because of certain players not having the latest hardware would be completely idiotic. When taking into account how good this idea is, as well as player demand for something new to do, there is no reason this idea should not be put into action. Sure, the AFKers I mentioned might complain, BUT NO ONE CARES ABOUT THEM. Aside from that, I'm sure most Graal players have the necessary hardware for this idea to run smoothly(or not. Someone should do a survey on this or something.) Considering players with older hardware most likely make a minority of the playerbase, it is no reason to hold back Graal and good ideas for it.

Nyx 08-01-2012 02:13 AM

Sounds like a neat idea :D

Skill 08-01-2012 02:28 AM

This idea is amazing! Sadly I'm sure a large portion of the community would complain like when graal city was pk. This is a major change and would completely change classic. I like it, but convincing stefan to allow it would be difficult.

solution to hardware dilemma: have an option to disable lighting.

Dusty 08-01-2012 02:50 AM

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Posted by Skill (Post 171510)
solution to hardware dilemma: have an option to disable lighting.

The problem with this route is that it gives other people the advantage of being able to see better, and everyone would just turn off lighting.

iHot 08-01-2012 02:50 AM

This reminds me of how in Assassins creed it would be nightime and templar stalkers would try and kill you. I agree with the idea but I know a lot won't.

Pazx 08-01-2012 06:10 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 171523)
The problem with this route is that it gives other people the advantage of being able to see better, and everyone would just turn off lighting.

I see nothing wrong with that. The staff should be able to implement this well enough so that it looks fantastic and people would only choose to disable it due to hardware issues.


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