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Tyler 08-20-2012 03:46 PM
New Message System
 
I'm begging you guys not to add it. You don't get instant PMs like the other one, but instead a "Loading..." message every time one is sent. I also didn't like how I could see what I last said because I'm constantly going back to old PMs and messaging someone because it's much faster than searching up their profile. I really don't think there's anything wrong with the old PM system it's fine it doesn't need to be touched. The only thing I would add is in message history four sections for broadcast, private, event, and guild messages. The new system is too much like a chat room rather than a PM system and we all know we can already just chat outside in the normal in-game chat. Please just don't change the old pm system it was great the way it was.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...download-6.png

Blueh 08-20-2012 03:48 PM
FLO YOU BROKE MY GAME >:O I keep getting PMs from 16 hours ago XD. This is so buggy.

Emera 08-20-2012 03:51 PM
They're working on fix it ain't they ;) Looks good though. Would be nice if you got a bigger window on the iPad too.

Tyler 08-20-2012 03:59 PM
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Posted by Emera (Post 183223)
They're working on fix it ain't they ;) Looks good though. Would be nice if you got a bigger window on the iPad too.
I don't want it changed at all. It was absolutely fine how it was previously. I really hope it isn't permanent.

Pimpsy G. 08-20-2012 03:59 PM
I would definitely trade more load time for seeing my previous sent messages, sometimes i forget what I sent and it screws up the conversation lol. This is a substantial improvement in my book

Emera 08-20-2012 04:01 PM
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Posted by Tyler (Post 183226)
I don't want it changed at all. It was absolutely fine how it was previously. I really hope it isn't permanent.
Really want the guys to make the window bigger for iPads though. All that room and you still have to look at this tiny window. Not that hard a job either.

Blueh 08-20-2012 04:20 PM
I can't read guild messages. This is way too laggy

ZyKo 08-20-2012 04:25 PM
There's nothing wrong with the current system, why change it?

Blueh 08-20-2012 04:27 PM
Message history is also broken. Meh.

Emera 08-20-2012 04:35 PM
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Posted by ZyKo (Post 183235)
There's nothing wrong with the current system, why change it?
They're improving it. Like they improve aircraft so they can fly better.

Tyler 08-20-2012 04:59 PM
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Posted by Emera (Post 183238)
They're improving it. Like they improve aircraft so they can fly better.
Improving in your eyes can mean the opposite in another persons eyes. I just hate when they change something I'm so used to and that's been implemented for so long that had no problems to begin with. I also don't like how it doesn't automatically close out like the old system.

Talon 08-20-2012 05:00 PM
It just looks... Messy in my opinion. Its a nice concept nonetheless, but I just don't think its really necessary.

Emera 08-20-2012 05:05 PM
Perhaps switching from one to another could be added? Everybody's happy then.

Skyld 08-20-2012 05:13 PM
Right now we're testing it and improving it, but get used to it. It's a new system that makes a lot of things easier for us and also making it so that you don't lose unread PMs if you log out, etc.

Higbey 08-20-2012 05:36 PM
You'll get used to it, plus you can pm certain staff only on rc.

Emera 08-20-2012 05:38 PM
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Posted by Higbey (Post 183283)
You'll get used to it, plus you can pm certain staff only on rc.
Could do that anyway. Higher staff are added to an array in the message database NPC and they're sent the PM via an echo.

Higbey 08-20-2012 05:41 PM
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Posted by Emera

Could do that anyway. Higher staff are added to an array in the message database NPC and they're sent the PM via an echo.
Before it would automatically send a message back to the player saying the player is offline. Now it seems to work like normal pms.

Pimpsy G. 08-20-2012 05:42 PM
Controversial update.... higbey saying 'you'll get used to it'.... Sorry I'm still not used to this new personality of his. Let me get a glass of water.

Higbey 08-20-2012 05:46 PM
Well there's always gonna be bugs in progress, if we kept the old everything nothing could improve, it will be fixed, I do like the fact the horrible swear filter is gone for pms now.

Blueh 08-20-2012 05:46 PM
For now, I figured out a way to read Guild Messages. Check your history. They load in that.

Emera 08-20-2012 05:46 PM
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Posted by Higbey (Post 183287)
Before it would automatically send a message back to the player saying the player is offline. Now it seems to work like normal pms.
So the only thing that's changed is that you don't get a message back.

Higbey 08-20-2012 05:55 PM
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Posted by Emera

So the only thing that's changed is that you don't get a message back.
You can converse with them now like a normal player and it can go back and forth now, for example before whenever I messaged a staff only on rc I got that message back and no reply from the staffmember, now it seems they actually get the message and reply.

Rufus 08-20-2012 05:57 PM
Suggestions:
  • There needs to be options for automatically closing the pm once you've replied and whether or not you want to store/load chat history outside of the history button. With these, the new message system will seem no different from the old.

  • Should take this opportunity to change the "This player has blocked you", "This player does not wish to receive offline PMs" and "PMs from friends only" messages to appear when you press the message button. Currently they only appear once you've sent a message and this can be frustrating when you've just typed a long message out.

  • There also needs to be spam prevention which automatically locks you from sending messages when you're doing it far too fast and frequent, kinda like AIM used to do.

  • Disable HTML for non-staff, it looks cheap.

Van Canavi 08-20-2012 06:09 PM
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Posted by Higbey (Post 183289)
Well there's always gonna be bugs in progress, if we kept the old everything nothing could improve, it will be fixed, I do like the fact the horrible swear filter is gone for pms now.
and guild chat :blush:

GotenGraal 08-20-2012 06:15 PM
Bombs, Farming, and now Messaging! Stop changing things that don't need to be changed and maybe listen to some of the feedback people send.

G Fatal 08-20-2012 06:37 PM
fixing something that doesn't need to be fixed...ALWAYS CAUSES PROBLEMS. Go back to releasing remi and marions quests that are finished! rather than doing something noone cares about as its perfect how it was.

that1guy666 08-20-2012 06:40 PM
The newer messaging system doesn't really seem suitable for pm's because it is only a conversation between two people. This would seem like it could be implemented in guild chats were it would feel more like a message board or a chat room type thing.

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/.../guildchat.png

I edited it with player names and and the players head next to the message, I don't know about the font colour though it could be confusing if it were different colours.

Emera 08-20-2012 07:13 PM
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Posted by that1guy666 (Post 183314)
The newer messaging system doesn't really seem suitable for pm's because it is only a conversation between two people. This would seem like it could be implemented in guild chats were it would feel more like a message board or a chat room type thing.

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/.../guildchat.png

I edited it with player names and and the players head next to the message, I don't know about the font colour though it could be confusing if it were different colours.
Scrap guild messages and add a window like this.

Tyler 08-20-2012 09:22 PM
If you're going to keep this system at least get rid of the "Loading..." message that pops up. It's annoying responding to guild chat spam with it.

GotenGraal 08-20-2012 09:34 PM
What was wrong with old messages? Let me answer that: Nothing. Just get rid of it I haven't seen 1 person in the whole game say it's even ok... Everyone says it sucks and the loading crap? F that just give us back the old instant message system. Whoever was behind this update please accept the fact that it's annoying/not helpful and needs to be changed back.

MattKan 08-20-2012 09:36 PM
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Posted by Emera (Post 183223)
They're working on fix it ain't they ;).
Ok

Tyler 08-20-2012 09:42 PM
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Posted by GotenGraal (Post 183370)
What was wrong with old messages? Let me answer that: Nothing. Just get rid of it I haven't seen 1 person in the whole game say it's even ok... Everyone says it sucks and the loading crap? F that just give us back the old instant message system. Whoever was behind this update please accept the fact that it's annoying/not helpful and needs to be changed back.
I think they should hold one of those votes like they did for the Graal City PK. I think it's a fair option in my opinion. I personally want to see who else besides me hates it.

EDIT: At least once the final product is released.

TarePanda 08-20-2012 10:39 PM
I think it's really good, a bit laggy. But definetly cool to we're Graal improve. Kind of like watching evolutionize.

Jester Lapse 08-20-2012 11:59 PM
I don't like it :/

Blueh 08-21-2012 12:06 AM
Please put the 'Guild Message:' indicator rather than just having colored names back the way it was. I'm partially colorblind. This is going to mess up my eyes.

Pazx 08-21-2012 12:08 AM
I think the new system is fantastic now that there is no loading time, only improvement would be threading messages and message history.

Jester Lapse 08-21-2012 12:11 AM
I think all guild messages are PM's now :( make it stop

Pazx 08-21-2012 12:12 AM
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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 183446)
I think all guild messages are PM's now :( make it stop
This is how it was originally, you'll get used to it.

Edit: I would prefer something more obvious differentiating gchat from PMs.

Tyler 08-21-2012 12:14 AM
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Posted by Pazx (Post 183443)
I think the new system is fantastic now that there is no loading time, only improvement would be threading messages and message history.
No thread messages. I'd only like that if there was an option to disable it.

Jester Lapse 08-21-2012 12:14 AM
no I wont get used to it, make it stop

Pazx 08-21-2012 12:15 AM
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Posted by Tyler (Post 183449)
No thread messages. I'd only like that if there was an option to disable it.
I advise you to read the news again.

Blueh 08-21-2012 12:16 AM
It hurts my eyes since I'm partially colorblind. I hate it.

Tyler 08-21-2012 12:16 AM
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Posted by Pazx (Post 183451)
I advise you to read the news again.
Lmao oops. Nevermind nevermind.

Pazx 08-21-2012 12:17 AM
Why would you not thread messages by the way? Not enough space on your screen, you prefer messages chronologically, or just some personal preference? :P

Tyler 08-21-2012 12:26 AM
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Posted by Pazx (Post 183454)
Why would you not thread messages by the way? Not enough space on your screen, you prefer messages chronologically, or just some personal preference? :P
It feels like I'm in a chat room when I use them. If I wanted that I'd just use the in-game chat. I also just don't like the way it's set up showing the newer messages going down.

GotenGraal 08-21-2012 12:29 AM
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Posted by Tyler (Post 183374)
I think they should hold one of those votes like they did for the Graal City PK. I think it's a fair option in my opinion. I personally want to see who else besides me hates it.

EDIT: At least once the final product is released.
Agreed players should get to vote on this. Or would it be possible to have in options to set the messaging system u want? Random question

Higbey 08-21-2012 12:35 AM
It's a new system, they can't make it be controlled by options I don't think..

Pazx 08-21-2012 12:39 AM
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Posted by Tyler (Post 183456)
It feels like I'm in a chat room when I use them. If I wanted that I'd just use the in-game chat. I also just don't like the way it's set up showing the newer messages going down.
I'd only want it for PMs, guild messages would be a mess.

Also, separation of guild chat from PMs anyone?

Jazz 08-21-2012 01:17 AM
I don't understand the playerbase sometimes.

All I get from this thread is change is bad, we hate change, make it stop.

If all games never updated systems or added on content...new and better things would never get created. Instead of being instantly cynical and critical about new things, why not offer some criticism?

Instead of: This sucks, i hate it, i'm going to hide my head in the sand.
Say: I dislike this, it can be made better by *Reason*.

Dusty 08-21-2012 01:26 AM
iClassic had the most ass-backwards, clunky PM interface ever. And you wanna go back to that?


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