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Skill 08-24-2012 02:31 AM

The real reason Stefan won't add trading
 
The moment stefan adds trading, gralat selling websites will pop up, and severely hurt gralat pack sales as they would be able to beat the official prices of gralats easily.

MSM 08-24-2012 02:43 AM

Hes not going to add trading because hes not going to add trading

Psycher! 08-24-2012 02:58 AM

I don't understand your logic. Explain more.

Higbey 08-24-2012 03:05 AM

The current way forces players to buy a new one of everything instead of being able to trade for it.
Thus it's impossible to recycle items through trading,

It's already been disproved about the whole "destroy the economy" excuse, and it's obvious it would be easy to add and that scamming is unavoidable and how without a safe trade system it's actually encouraging scamming because drop trades aren't safe.

PerfectDark 08-24-2012 03:17 AM

Unixmad (at the present time):
http://images.wikia.com/fairlyoddpar...DollarEyes.jpg

About the stefan issue, lately he is reluctant to give any wee way to any server. (Reciently with his refusal/inactivity on giving Valikorlia's Development server "Classic" subscription status, or giving a reason why he cannot remove observer mode from UN)

Tricxta 08-24-2012 04:05 AM

Everyone stop stating the obvious. It's lame and annoying.

Jester Lapse 08-24-2012 07:34 AM

he likes muffins ^

Castør 08-24-2012 07:40 AM

He's a "badboii" ^

Jester Lapse 08-24-2012 07:50 AM

he can read ^

Maxy 08-24-2012 08:55 AM

you dont say

Artea 08-24-2012 10:05 AM

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Posted by Tricxta (Post 185290)
Everyone stop stating the obvious. It's lame and annoying.

this. take more notice

callimuc 08-24-2012 12:19 PM

skill your threads about stefan/unixmad are getting worse everytime. get some more creative ideas

Pazx 08-24-2012 12:32 PM

If trading was implemented I would personally see to it that we end up with GraalOutpost and Graal Spreadsheet, as well as Gralat selling websites and a store for hats and stuff.

eric 08-24-2012 01:27 PM

Trade system droppables only EZ EOS

Pimpsy G. 08-24-2012 01:31 PM

Quick! Someone chloroform Stefan and unixmad, sabotage the graal servers, and allow trading.

V. 08-24-2012 01:36 PM

Please, do that.

XENA* 08-24-2012 08:25 PM

Quote:

Posted by Tricxta (Post 185290)
Everyone stop stating the obvious. It's lame and annoying.


Higbey 08-24-2012 08:45 PM

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Posted by Pimpsy G. (Post 185559)
Quick! Someone chloroform Stefan and unixmad, sabotage the graal servers, and allow trading.

hypothetically, if graal got sued by a big company and had a high probability of getting big money off them, and they set up a agreement that they would drop the charges if Stefan and unixmad turned over the graal company and game and rights to them, i would not be surprised if Stefan and Unixmad decided to agree and give away the game just to keep all the money they have made instead of trying to fight the lawsuit and losing it all.

of course, thats not a very likely thing at all, but its a bit of hope that one day graal will get a proper owner,

Talon 08-24-2012 08:48 PM

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Posted by eric (Post 185556)
Trade system droppables only EZ EOS

People will still arrange buying Graal items with Paypal/credit card money on websites, though. You would pay the vendor $5 for a Shamrock Dagger, then you trade him a shell for the Shamrock.

Pazx 08-25-2012 03:02 AM

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Posted by Talon (Post 185838)
People will still arrange buying Graal items with Paypal/credit card money on websites, though. You would pay the vendor $5 for a Shamrock Dagger, then you trade him a shell for the Shamrock.

I'm not sure if you're saying that's bad or neutral.

Talon 08-25-2012 03:17 AM

I think it would be good for players, but hurts the developers in the way of cashflow since players will look elsewhere for Gralats. I don't really mind, though, having done similar things on other online games.

callimuc 08-25-2012 03:25 AM

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Posted by Talon (Post 186028)
I think it would be good for players, but hurts the developers in the way of cashflow since players will look elsewhere for Gralats.

we couldnt care less how players earn their gralats :p. Im pretty sure you mean the owners (aka stefan and unixmad; eventually even xor)

fp4 08-25-2012 03:43 AM

Player-to-Player item trading will likely never be implemented, however player auctions is feasible.

Blueh 08-25-2012 03:51 AM

Trading could be added, but in order for them to keep making money they'd have to make stuff more expensive and rare for the people who don't like to share (unintentional rhyme). And...we all know how we don't like expensive.

Wolfy 08-25-2012 04:35 AM

so basically all stefan cres about is money. wow, the man who runs every server of graal ever sure is great

Higbey 08-25-2012 04:51 AM

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Posted by Wolfy (Post 186079)
so basically all stefan cres about is money. wow, the man who runs every server of graal ever sure is great

It's best you learn now. I think some posting of some of those pc forum threads that show the true nature of Stefan and Unixmad is in order..

Talon 08-25-2012 07:06 AM

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Posted by Wolfy (Post 186079)
so basically all stefan cres about is money. wow, the man who runs every server of graal ever sure is great

That's more or less the point of a business. You know, to earn money.

Higbey 08-25-2012 07:33 AM

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Posted by Talon (Post 186150)

That's more or less the point of a business. You know, to earn money.

You can profit while still being a good owner. Greed and power are things that should never go together. He is a paranoid, stubborn, greedy man that does not care about the community like he should.

Pazx 08-25-2012 08:29 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 186155)
You can profit while still being a good owner. Greed and power are things that should never go together. He is a paranoid, stubborn, greedy man that does not care about the community like he should.

Can you name 10 owners/CEOs/etc of companies who are not manipulative, greedy, and actually care about their consumers?

SnakeRekon 08-25-2012 01:05 PM

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Posted by callimuc (Post 186036)
we couldnt care less how players earn their gralats :p. Im pretty sure you mean the owners (aka stefan and unixmad; eventually even xor)

I care, I don't want the economy and game to go to ****.

ZyKo 08-25-2012 02:22 PM

My friend tested the Beta for iClassic trading, nothing more has been heard about it.

But it would be awesome, I have a few friends who have hats that I want and visa versa, most people would benefit.

iCool 08-26-2012 03:23 AM

I thought Skill made a big thread about him quitting a week ago. Now he's crying about some guy who really doesn't give a flying **** about what he says.

i hope unixmad doesnt see that video
Right now hes happy with his bread
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/73192858/images%20%287%29.jpeg

Kiwi 08-27-2012 06:47 AM

This is probably a stupid question, but I don't really understand how trading would cause gralat selling websites to pop up?

J0ker 08-27-2012 07:04 AM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 185535)
If trading was implemented I would personally see to it that we end up with GraalOutpost and Graal Spreadsheet, as well as Gralat selling websites and a store for hats and stuff.

true
LOL

Pazx 08-27-2012 08:19 AM

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Posted by Kiwi. (Post 187629)
This is probably a stupid question, but I don't really understand how trading would cause gralat selling websites to pop up?

I answer your quote with another quote.


Quote:

Posted by Pazx (Post 185535)
If trading was implemented I would personally see to it that we end up with GraalOutpost and Graal Spreadsheet, as well as Gralat selling websites and a store for hats and stuff.


Kiwi 08-27-2012 09:07 AM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 187673)
I answer your quote with another quote.

Okay, yes, I understand item selling sites, but not Gralat selling ones, as said in the first post. Because, to get the Gralats to sell, you need to buy them, and it wouldn't be logical to make a business out of something you need to spend hours on to get the things you need to sell (meaning jobs, farming, etc). And I doubt you'd be able to transfer gralats to other players, just trade items. I don't understand.

SnakeRekon 08-27-2012 09:13 AM

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Posted by Kiwi. (Post 187685)
Okay, yes, I understand item selling sites, but not Gralat selling ones, as said in the first post. Because, to get the Gralats to sell, you need to buy them, and it wouldn't be logical to make a business out of something you need to spend hours on to get the things you need to sell (meaning jobs, farming, etc). And I doubt you'd be able to transfer gralats to other players, just trade items. I don't understand.

Shells from digging say hi

Tricxta 08-27-2012 10:17 AM

I think if we have a $100 charge each time a player wants to trade or you have $5 irl money for a "trade pack" would please unixmad. After all, he's only interested in now, who gives a **** about the future.

Pazx 08-27-2012 10:26 AM

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Posted by Kiwi. (Post 187685)
Okay, yes, I understand item selling sites, but not Gralat selling ones, as said in the first post. Because, to get the Gralats to sell, you need to buy them, and it wouldn't be logical to make a business out of something you need to spend hours on to get the things you need to sell (meaning jobs, farming, etc). And I doubt you'd be able to transfer gralats to other players, just trade items. I don't understand.

If you couldn't transfer Gralats, these sites wouldn't exist obviously. I'm sure we'll find a way to profit off of them.

SnakeRekon 08-27-2012 05:16 PM

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Posted by Tricxta (Post 187714)
I think if we have a $100 charge each time a player wants to trade or you have $5 irl money for a "trade pack" would please unixmad. After all, he's only interested in now, who gives a **** about the future.

Trade systems don't suit Graal very well.
This actually has nothing to do with Unixmad.

lord greg 08-27-2012 05:53 PM

Quote:

Posted by Tricxta (Post 187714)
I think if we have a $100 charge each time a player wants to trade or you have $5 irl money for a "trade pack" would please unixmad. After all, he's only interested in now, who gives a **** about the future.

I still think that wouldn't solve any of the main problems. The economy would be ruined and owners and player would all lose out

Higbey 08-27-2012 10:20 PM

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Posted by lord greg (Post 187857)

I still think that wouldn't solve any of the main problems. The economy would be ruined and owners and player would all lose out

You keep believing that and the whole economy thing. Keep believing that.

SnakeRekon 08-27-2012 11:54 PM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 188011)
You keep believing that and the whole economy thing. Keep believing that.

His ideas in regards to it may not be 100% right but in general, trading system = bad for graal.

Pazx 08-28-2012 07:29 AM

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Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 188105)
His ideas in regards to it may not be 100% right but in general, trading system = bad for graal.

There is a slight difference between being bad for Stefan's wallet, and being bad for Graal.

lord greg 08-28-2012 10:49 AM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 188352)
There is a slight difference between being bad for Stefan's wallet, and being bad for Graal.

if it was added you would quickly realise that it's bad for Graal

SnakeRekon 08-28-2012 10:51 AM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 188352)
There is a slight difference between being bad for Stefan's wallet, and being bad for Graal.

Sorry chuck, i've lived and breathed Graal many years ago, I know how this stuff works. It has nothing to do with Stefans wallet, it's the games economy that is at stake.

iFarmer 08-29-2012 01:51 AM

lmao? guys this isnt a game with 100k+ people playing and i doubt that a real world trading site will pop up ._.
but i dont suggest this look what happened to runescape...
theres over 25 real world trading sites for it

iSilver 08-29-2012 02:49 AM

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Posted by Skill (Post 185235)
The moment stefan adds trading, gralat selling websites will pop up, and severely hurt gralat pack sales as they would be able to beat the official prices of gralats easily.

if that was the case, than stefan wouldnt make gralats tradable


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