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MementoJoker 11-09-2012 06:32 PM

Will get suspension for self defense? Need advise.
 
So just yesterday my school friends and I were playing ping pong at the ping pong tables in the school yard, the bell rings, we have Art class which is 3 minutes away. My two friends and I are going back to the school building while playing the ball to each other and trying to make it stay in the air as long as possible when suddenly a swaggot from the year below turns up and steals the ball and runs off, I chase him with a friend and demand him to return it, he doesn't, he shoots it away, I give him the evil eye, he shoves me , I shove him, his friends get involved one of them fights my friend while the other one kicks me, resulting in me catching his foot in the air and pulling it thus making him fall and cry, I get the ball, return to class just in time.
He tells the principal and there's a high percentage I'll get suspension from the school trip I've waited over a year for.
How should I defend myself when they ask for my side? He'll exaggerate and presumably say I called him x y z. I really need your advise because I suck at defending myself especially in front of authorities since I tend to overthink and then blabber nonsense.

Engel 11-09-2012 06:46 PM

Okay, go to the principal alone and tell him exactly what happened. Don't lie or but just twll exactly how it went. He will most likely understand and let you go on the trip. After all, it's your word against the guy from the year below, why would he believe him and not you?
If he still wants to suspend you, tell the exact same story (no lying etc.) to your parents and let them talk to the principal. Good luck :).

MementoJoker 11-09-2012 07:01 PM

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Posted by Engel (Post 229991)
Okay, go to the principal alone and tell him exactly what happened. Don't lie or but just twll exactly how it went. He will most likely understand and let you go on the trip. After all, it's your word against the guy from the year below, why would he believe him and not you?
If he still wants to suspend you, tell the exact same story (no lying etc.) to your parents and let them talk to the principal. Good luck :).

The thing is the younger guy will say: Dimentio called a *** *cry* *cry*.
I'll be portrayed as a tyrant while the only thing I did was literally reverse his kick.. The young one is always the angel.

Dusty 11-09-2012 07:18 PM

When I was in school participating in a fight was an automatic suspension even if you were on the defensive. Of course the aggressive/procrastinator would get a harsher punishment, but dems da rules.

Engel 11-09-2012 07:22 PM

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Posted by Dimentio (Post 229997)
The thing is the younger guy will say: Dimentio called a *** *cry* *cry*.
I'll be portrayed as a tyrant while the only thing I did was literally reverse his kick.. The young one is always the angel.

Untrue, it depends on your reputation on school and your trustworthyness (if that's the word for that..?) If you tell the truth your story will be straight and his will always be less trustworthy, since he is making things up. It was obviously self defense, he will get it I think :).

MementoJoker 11-09-2012 07:24 PM

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Posted by Engel (Post 230003)
Untrue, it depends on your reputation on school and your trustworthyness (if that's the word for that..?) If you tell the truth your story will be straight and his will always be less trustworthy, since he is making things up. It was obviously self defense, he will get it I think :).

Thank you, I don't usually get into fights, I hope that's a +

Psycher! 11-09-2012 07:39 PM

Witnesses always help. What Engel is saying is probably the best way to go, although if your school has security cameras in the area where the fight was, you can probably have the principal pull up the footage from that point in time.

MementoJoker 11-09-2012 07:42 PM

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Posted by Psycher! (Post 230008)
Witnesses always help. What Engel is saying is probably the best way to go, although if your school has security cameras in the area where the fight was, you can probably have the principal pull up the footage from that point in time.

Well the only one who can defend me is my "pothead" friend. I'll tell him what to say exactly and it might work.

Psycher! 11-09-2012 07:48 PM

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Posted by Dimentio (Post 230013)
Well the only one who can defend me is my "pothead" friend. I'll tell him what to say exactly and it might work.

Is he known among school staff for being a pothead? If not, then it would probably work out fine.

Higbey 11-09-2012 08:02 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 230001)
When I was in school participating in a fight was an automatic suspension even if you were on the defensive. Of course the aggressive/procrastinator would get a harsher punishment, but dems da rules.

Always thought that was stupid.

"no, you are supposed to lay on the ground and get beaten to a pulp as you yell for a teacher, how dare you defend yourself!"

Psycher! 11-09-2012 08:04 PM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 230025)
Always thought that was stupid.

"no, you are supposed to lay on the ground and get beaten to a pulp as you yell for a teacher, how dare you defend yourself!"

School logic.

Kiwi 11-09-2012 08:18 PM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 230025)
Always thought that was stupid.

"no, you are supposed to lay on the ground and get beaten to a pulp as you yell for a teacher, how dare you defend yourself!"

It's the same at my school. Instant detention for both the people, so the best thing you can actually do for yourself is run away, or try and have a nice chat with them. My school doesn't have that many problems with that kind of thing though. We've had one fight the whole year, which amounted to nothing and was really just walking around in circles swearing at each other, and a guy and a girl expelled for doing something (I think it was drugs, not sure).

My school has a system where you could get suspended for talking in class. Small amounts is fine, but of you're talking really loudly and stuff you get a pink slip, you go down to the office, get a few detentions, and go back up. Then, if you get more than one pink slip for it (I think that's how it is, I've honestly never needed to know) you can get a nice red card. Talk in the wrong class really loudly, it all adds up and you're suspended.

Also, so I stay on topic: Dimentio I agree with Engel yup. But don't be afraid to slightly sugarcoat it. Don't do it much, but put small amounts of emphasis on certain words. Keep eye contact.

Crono 11-10-2012 12:05 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 230025)
Always thought that was stupid.

"no, you are supposed to lay on the ground and get beaten to a pulp as you yell for a teacher, how dare you defend yourself!"

It's to prevent students from baiting fights, where the guy baiting can then claim he was only defending himself.

LavaClaw 11-10-2012 01:43 AM

I got suspended even though the other guy was the instigator and was shouting racist **** at me beforehand. Same length too.

XENA* 11-10-2012 02:11 AM

I think defending yourself is logical. It's part of our nature and we can't change it. The suspension is here to show that it is bad (even though you were just defending yourself). Even if you get suspended i think you shouldn't really take it in a bad way because almost every human would have reacted like you did. I think school are getting to strict. In my school it's the same. Even a little fight can get use suspended for few days. They are forgetting that we are animals after all... Small fights can happen. However i agree big fights needs to be punished.


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