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Stocke 09-02-2013 10:14 AM

Interesting Discovery
 
I recently discovered that GraalOnline on the iPhone does not have its own Terms of Service and must comply to the iTunes Apple Store Terms and Conditions.

Section A of the iTunes Store Terms and Conditions:
"If a product becomes unavailable following a transaction but prior to download, your sole remedy is a refund. If technical problems prevent or unreasonably delay delivery of your product, your exclusive and sole remedy is either replacement or refund of the price paid, as determined by Apple."

If you are banned from any iGraal server you can contact the app store support and claim that your service has been discontinued for reasons not stated in an agreed ToS and that your investments into the game have been made useless. Request a full refund including in-app purchases. The publisher (Eurocenter) will have to refund you 100% of your purchases.

Rufus 09-02-2013 11:11 AM

Uhh, that is not what that means at all.

Stocke 09-02-2013 11:12 AM

Then why has it worked?

Rufus 09-02-2013 11:29 AM

Don't know, probably because they are not refuting claims. All I do know for certain is:

Quote:

Posted by Stocke (Post 406092)
If a product becomes unavailable following a transaction but prior to download, your sole remedy is a refund.

This speaks for itself. There is nothing here that is related to being banned or a loss of in-app purchases. A ban, by its very nature, requires you to have downloaded the application. This is addressing applications that are removed from the iTunes platform post-purchase.

From the same Terms and Conditions:

Quote:

All In App Purchases are deemed App Store Products, and In App Purchases made within Third-Party Products are deemed Third-Party Products, and treated as such, for purposes of these terms and conditions.

Stocke 09-02-2013 11:32 AM

*shrug* I copy pasta'd it anyways.

Hey, kids, if you're banned you can get a refund because you're being denied service for reasons not agreed to in a ToS.

That's better. Can't be having people citing an incorrect section of the terms and conditions. Thanks, Rufus.

Vince Canavi 09-02-2013 11:35 AM

yay

Rufus 09-02-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Posted by Stocke (Post 406112)
Hey, kids, if you're banned you can get a refund because you're being denied service for reasons not agreed to in a ToS.

Quote:

The Application Provider, and its licensors, reserve the right to change, suspend, remove, or disable access to any Services at any time without notice. In no event will the Application Provider be liable for the removal of or disabling of access to any such Services. The Application Provider may also impose limits on the use of or access to certain Services, in any case and without notice or liability.
http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-...e/dev/stdeula/

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Stocke 09-02-2013 11:47 AM

Not arguing that. I should have just said that it has been done (not by myself) recently for the reason stated.

Yog 09-02-2013 12:09 PM

Quote:

If technical problems prevent or unreasonably delay delivery of your product, your exclusive and sole remedy is either replacement or refund of the price paid, as determined by Apple.
Assuming this is the definition they are implying.
Quote:

de·liv·er·y
the supply or provision of something.
Quote:

pro·vi·sion
the action of providing or supplying something for use.
I open up Graal. Graal goes to ban screen. Failed delivery of my product.

Also, Graal Mobile Servers DO NOT have a terms of service, anywhere.

kenthefruit 09-02-2013 12:14 PM

Okay, and if you're banned for life, you can get a full refund on everything you've purchased?

Yog 09-02-2013 12:15 PM

Quote:

Posted by TwistedWizard (Post 406137)
Okay, and if you're banned for life, you can get a full refund on everything you've purchased?

According to what Rufus posted, no. But I may, or may not know some people who have allegedly done so.

Dusty 09-02-2013 06:33 PM

Quote:

Posted by Yogurt (Post 406134)
Assuming this is the definition they are implying

Delivery = download. Failed delivery means the product failed to download after you purchased it(for whatever reason). Once the game is downloaded that part is no longer applicable.

Crono 09-02-2013 07:28 PM

Very interesting.

Sicx 09-02-2013 08:24 PM

I'm going to be banned and get my 50$ back!

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Aaron 09-03-2013 01:55 AM

Quote:

Posted by Sicx (Post 406298)
I'm going to be banned and get my 50$ back!

...

HELL YEAH


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