Serious discussion time, APR nerf, was it enough?
 

Alright time for a discussion thread. Since everyone on the in game forums just exploded when these were nerfed and asking for refunds being the greedy dicks they are. I want a serious discussion.
Rippers were apparently nerfed clip size reduced to 20.

My question is was this enough? I personally think no, we are still in square one with the rippers. Rippers still have no downfall since 20 shots is a lot in zone and you still have a monsterus advantage over other guns with that 1 less bullet to kill and a faster ROF. It still can supress more than the chainguns and thats the whole point of them, to be a endless bullet hose. I still think that this gun should be moved down to a 12 clip and .15 ROF.i have explained many many many times why and it would still be worth the price.

On a positive note i would like to say thanks to tash for actually acting on this case and making it a lot better than it was and for finally standing up against high prices and saying price does not make a gun a god gun. This is a Baby step in the correct direction and this stuff needs to be kept up with.

"PLEASE NERF RIPPERS"

"YOU GUYS NERFED RIPPERS, I WANT A REFUND"

^^^
Everyone will never be happy. So I've really lost interest on the subject and really think whatever nerf happened, players deserve.

Actually the people who exploded were the people who said rippers are fine. But yeah welcome to the hell of graals playerbases logic. Complementry penuts and softdrinks will be served shortly.

Im inbetween on this. Im glad it was nerfed, but im still upset that theres still no negatives to the gun. This is though a good band aid patch for gun balance to situate all the other guns that are in this mess.

Wow..A clip size reduction. I know the guns are 42k, but just clip size reduction? The TTK as Ghetto metioned on these guns are just OP. 20 bullets that shoot fast and barely any reload freeze..You can just keep firing and firing and firing over again. And then people complain...Over a clip size reduction. That's like me complaining that my number of mags have been reduced in a FPS game because of a nerf. It's nothing folks.

People who have spent 42k get a better gun. Releasing higher tier items like the rippers is inevitable. I don't see the problem in having a very strong gun.

Anyone with Rippers couldnt beat me with my Streamer, so why waste 42k on a gun that i can easily overpower.

Because they have a incredibly unfair advantage over all other guns meaning a noob can just buy there way to victory unlike most others who take the time and practice to gain skill. Thus making competitive gameplay very expensive or time consuming. Also all you start to see in pvp are rippers which is no fun facing the same gun, over and over and over again when all the odds are stacked against you.

If you think that because the most powerful weapon is expensive and that someone else could buy it with real money easily then you'll probably find that most games are 'pay2win'.

Welcome to graal! Ask your parents for itunes cards, you need them for drawing apps, u are really going to spend it on graal and download the free drawing app.

Instead of buying itunes cards save up to buy something in real life. I saved up enough to buy a Silver Plated 1928 Conn New Wonder Series II Saxophone.
I'm going to try to learn coding and graphic design in my free time. I'd like to develop "f2p all the way" mmo game in the future as a hobby. I know what you're point is, but I'm just speaking my mind on something that scarcely relates to what you are saying.


Having a balanced gun system would be nice. Although there are expensive weapons they shouldn't be overpowered. Having a level playing field could attract more players or at least have some stay as they are not beaten up by a single weapon repeatedly. By having a variety of balanced weapons players are given more flexibility. Instead of buying a weapon only because it is better than another they can experiment with others to try and create their own style of fighting. For example I took up the watermelon cannon as my weapon. Currently I'm trying to develop my skills in spar. By using the recoil I push myself away from bullets. With an overpowered weapon however it removes much skill and time needed.
Yes, some of you may have developed some skill, but most of you just spam the weapon. (This is based on my experiences and encounters)Many buy the weapon just to be better than others in terms of weaponry. As mentioned earlier skill and time needed are two variables which may be removed when buying an overpowered weapon. Time is the independent variable while the skill is the dependent. Based on the amount of time devoted upon a weapon or certain style of combat one's experiences and ability is increased. I feel that as if we had a balanced game it would be more enjoyable and extend playing time. I've had several chances at buying an over powered gun, but refused to do so as my experiences in game gained pushed me to keep playing. Putting hard work into something makes it more difficult to abandon. Failures can help us learn. If we push it away or ignore it we can never improve.

Bitch please i dont buy apps. Because i want to blow my money on something else thats not graal.

Maybe if they never released the rippers as OP as they were, this wouldn't of been an issue. People think higher the price, the more OP it is. Never should've made guns as expensive as they did ;).

because they can invest less time in building up skill when instead they could fork 20$ over and get a more powerful weapon and dominate with this. The only beef I have with the streamer is it shoots way too fast with tap fire and is maybe now the most OP thing in frenzy. Just remove the tap fire.

That right there nailed it on the head. Balanced gameplay makes for more fun. However since they didn't decide to unable the option to buy graalets. Theres still the issue of some people actually spent money. How the balance then should go is that the lower price weapons are actually better than the higher priced weapons but are very hard to master. I know it sounds nuts. The example I give is photon and snow rifle. The photon is very cheap, all around weapon, and when used correctly, can absolutely destroy but, if you screw up the fire pattern, it is very unforgiving and hard to fire at max again, and often in the heat of combat, you will panic and screw up the fire pattern. The other thing is that sabers can deflect this gun so its not a good option to kill people attacking the flag. But the snowrifle is I say more expensive since its a limited editon, but that gun is so much easier to use than the photon since its auto ROF is the same as the photons max. So you can just hold the trigger down, not have to worry about a fire pattern, also you don't need to worry about sabers. but you lose 6 shots per clip as photon is 18 while the snow is 12. I would like to see if the GPAR was cloned snow rifle.

"There are no such things as overpowered guns, it may take time to overcome, but there is always a way to win." -Omni

The AP Rippers aren't OP (Overpowered), it just takes time and practice to learn how to beat it, same thing goes for the Streamer
in Frenzy Mode.

sir i think you need to be checked out by a doctor. What you are describing is skill. Over powered means it has way too much power to the point of where that object becomes hands down the most powerful thing. Example the m16a3 in bf3, or the bar in era.