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Blu 05-10-2015 07:01 PM

Help me improve spar.
 
I've caught some videos of my spars that I'm not happy with and I'd appreciate it if people could help me out and point out my mistakes.
You don't have to be a pro sparrer to help, any advice is nice.
This thread is also for myself to see how I progress.

In this one I actually start sparring at around 50 seconds



Fulgore 05-10-2015 07:09 PM

The second spar looked fine to me aside from the fact that it was in a sideroom.

The first spar looked ok to me as well, though I might be able to give some sort of advice if you wish to try.

So knowing where I was in the video I think the server had about 3.5k people on at that time, meaning it's going to be pretty laggy. And this is important because I noticed you went very offensive vs. your opponent in these conditions, which is all well and good. However, myself and a lot of other sparrers find it a bit easier to pace ourselves out when there's either server delay, or we are going against someone who has some delay. We like to take it slowly and try and read them, rather than go offensive most of the time. If that works for you then that's great, seeing as how you didn't do too badly anyways.

Blu 05-10-2015 07:22 PM

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 563903)
The second spar looked fine to me aside from the fact that it was in a sideroom.

The first spar looked ok to me as well, though I might be able to give some sort of advice if you wish to try.

So knowing where I was in the video I think the server had about 3.5k people on at that time, meaning it's going to be pretty laggy. And this is important because I noticed you went very offensive vs. your opponent in these conditions, which is all well and good. However, myself and a lot of other sparrers find it a bit easier to pace ourselves out when there's either server delay, or we are going against someone who has some delay. We like to take it slowly and try and read them, rather than go offensive most of the time. If that works for you then that's great, seeing as how you didn't do too badly anyways.

Thanks for the tip, I'll try it next time.

MBK 05-10-2015 08:01 PM

Sheesh,it's not hard.Just be determined and practice.One simply doesn't need tips for sparring,it's all about running and spamming.

Wolfie 05-10-2015 08:10 PM

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Posted by MBK (Post 563930)
Sheesh,it's not hard.Just be determined and practice.One simply doesn't need tips for sparring,it's all about running and spamming.

It's archery that requires skills :)

Admiral 05-10-2015 10:47 PM

Real shame that the other spar rooms receive neg rep, its almost as if you're either a good sparrer or you're a booster

Fulgore 05-11-2015 02:21 AM

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Posted by Admiral (Post 564018)
Real shame that the other spar rooms receive neg rep, its almost as if you're either a good sparrer or you're a booster

It's just that the side rooms aren't what they used to be. It's just impossible to find any good sparrers in the siderooms since the addition of the streak room, so anyone who spars in the side room isn't playing against anyone good. It's not like they're dumped on for no reason. It's just how the game evolved.

Colin 05-11-2015 02:28 AM

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 564097)
It's just that the side rooms aren't what they used to be. It's just impossible to find any good sparrers in the siderooms since the addition of the streak room, so anyone who spars in the side room isn't playing against anyone good. It's not like they're dumped on for no reason. It's just how the game evolved.

This is true for the most part but some people are sort of in the middle of the skill spectrum, maybe Player A is somewhat decent but not good enough for the skilled players in the streak room so in order to better his skill he uses the side room and because of that he gets a bad reputation and classified a booster maybe it helps him get a good record more than the streak room would but people are aware of who's good and who isn't regardless of someone's ratio

Fulgore 05-11-2015 02:35 AM

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Posted by Colin (Post 564107)
This is true for the most part but some people are sort of in the middle of the skill spectrum, maybe Player A is somewhat decent but not good enough for the skilled players in the streak room so in order to better his skill he uses the side room and because of that he gets a bad reputation and classified a booster maybe it helps him get a good record more than the streak room would but people are aware of who's good and who isn't regardless of someone's ratio

I agree with the end statement there. And it's not always that they're even called boosters, cause it isn't boosting, what they're doing. It's more of a "selective spar" kind of scenario. And while it's not like Player A is intentionally doing this to benefit his record, it does still demonstrate that he is not yet blossomed as a sparrer, showing more how side rooms are so different from the primary one. It should be every new sparrers goal to be able to participate in the streak room without losing every single time, and I feel like most players can do this. The issue with side rooms really arises when players who can definitely handle themselves in the streak room choose to spar in the side rooms anyway.

GOAT 05-11-2015 04:05 AM

Blu, I'm a give you the best tip. Take your opponents weaknesses and use them to your advantage. I just did that and now I have to check my pm's.

Colin 05-11-2015 04:10 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 564167)
Blu, I'm a give you the best tip. Take your opponents weaknesses and use them to your advantage. I just did that and now I have to check my pm's.


This is a good point, if you watch people spar in the streak room you can see what person spars with what style and it allows you to change your offense/defense plan to counter it.

It's good to be physically good at sparring but it helps when you can do it mentally as well. Improving will just be lots of practicing and try to change the technique you use every now and then spamming isn't a good method and most sparrers have no trouble beating it.

Zetectic 05-11-2015 04:24 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 564167)
Blu, I'm a give you the best tip. Take your opponents weaknesses and use them to your advantage. I just did that and now I have to check my pm's.

Pretty much the reason why it takes more than 3 spars to know who is really better/Often why people do series to find out who is better.

When I faced old pc players they didn't know my weaknesses (highly offensive, constantly moving to trick them and hit their side) and lose, but that's just first few. They most likely find my weakness after several spars and start beating me. If I have to name few people it's Thallen, Brett, Warhawk, Dante.

MBK 05-11-2015 07:01 AM

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Posted by Colin (Post 564172)
This is a good point, if you watch people spar in the streak room you can see what person spars with what style and it allows you to change your offense/defense plan to counter it.

It's good to be physically good at sparring but it helps when you can do it mentally as well. Improving will just be lots of practicing and try to change the technique you use every now and then spamming isn't a good method and most sparrers have no trouble beating it.

O yes you are right.You are owsum

When trollers become moderators

Red 05-11-2015 07:39 AM

practice makes perfect.

Blu 05-11-2015 08:09 AM

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 564097)
It's just that the side rooms aren't what they used to be. It's just impossible to find any good sparrers in the siderooms since the addition of the streak room, so anyone who spars in the side room isn't playing against anyone good. It's not like they're dumped on for no reason. It's just how the game evolved.

The reason I was in a side room was that Thallen, PT and many other talented sparrers were in the streak room. The queue was also 16 players long, and that's a long time waiting.

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Posted by GOAT (Post 564167)
Blu, I'm a give you the best tip. Take your opponents weaknesses and use them to your advantage. I just did that and now I have to check my pm's.

Just tried this, and I won 3 in a row at the streak room :D


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