Ok here's the deal guys, Joren is an idiot.
/closethread
As well as losing that hint of respect he actually had, he's lost a great friend and guaranteed hatred from the community of era. *claps* what more could you want? Well done.
And making a thread about it to gain the trust of people on the forums? *mad*
Someone ban this noob f***ing jabroni.

Oh, and /closethread