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What I understood about your posts was that people that attempted suicide were selfish and didn’t care about how it affected the people around them. Then you said that people that were suicidal had mental problems and didn’t think rationally. So when people are not thinking rationally how can they be acting selfishly.
Do you think it would have gotten to this point if your brothers family had noticed that he was sick and did something to intervene. Imo the blame can also be given to the family that failed to realize something was wrong with the person attempting suicide.
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Im not going to speak for Pimpsy but you have to realize that mental illness is not something that is easily detectable when you have no experience in that field. Even today it is very difficult to properly diagnose. As a family member when you see someone depressed or acting irrationally, the immediate reaction isn't, "oh she/he probably mentally ill". You try to reason with them rationally but they don't get it. This is where i think i see where Pimpsy is coming from on the selfish point.
Initially, they seem very selfish because they don't realize that their behavior is really negatively effecting the family as a whole. But when the mentality changes from them being selfish to them being mentally ill, thats when you as a family start to realize. They are acting selfish, but its because they are sick.
Goat because you have never experienced this before, i understand where you're coming from and why you can't understand what Pimpsy is saying. Just remember, you cant blame the family because honestly, they have no experience dealing with mental illness. It took 5 years for my family, and let me tell you, those 5 years were the most painful five years.
Also, everyone will experience depression at some point in their lives. But there are many levels and figuring out which level it is accurately is not an easy task.