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"That is why we made other Ventrue guilds (Ventrue Vampires,VentrueVampires,Tremere Vampires) they're not really sub guilds to us they're still the same guild just made for more space"
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This is EXACTLY what sub guilds are for (More space, same guild). Same with Ch4rm, they have a main name, with 4-5 subs. How is this ANY different from other family style guild, at all? The only difference I see is that Ventrue and Ch4rm focus on other things besides towers. How is it fine for them to "abuse allies" as Qes is saying, when tower guilds get insulted for it?
