just giving my opinion on the ideas presented in the opening post of this thread, and they're terribad, GOAT's were better. it only develops into a flame war because aguzo is sensitive and refuses to accept that his ideas suck (he also has this very strange idea in his head that i only want attention from him when in reality i only came here to shut down whatever awful idea he had next). i don't know why anyone would defend them. you even have people like "Mount" and "TomatoPanda" (idk if i actually read that name properly) coming here to talk badly about them and they aren't seen "trolling" anywhere.