Hillary, for one, has championed welfare reform for longer than I've been alive. So there is that.

Regarding your point about Trump's business. Of course his stuff is made in China. It's a good business decision to do it, and he'd lose money otherwise. This is why Trump knows best how to stop certain things that businesses do that lose American jobs. An example is the H1B reform to bring more jobs back to US workers. He has also talked about removing the tax loopholes that big businesses use to avoid the taxes. These are good things.

And I'll make a large bet with anyone that Sanders does not win the nomination.

With all this said, I think I'm going to forgo this thread until the primaries are over, and then come back for all the Trump vs. Hillary comments. Was good discussion.