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PigParty · 04-18-2016

Posted by Mangsi

Why would Satan punish you for doing bad, committing sin, things like that, if he encourages you to do so? I see hell differently than all of you. In my mind, (if hell and heaven even exist, which I don't really think they do, but if they do...) hell has all the rebels, the LGBT+ people, etc. But they don't get punished. The Bible created the idea that you'll be punished to keep you inside a little religous bubble, but people like me learn to break out of the bubble and live our lives to the fullest. And hell is for those who break out of the bubble, to separate us from those who don't. And I mean, cmon, if you're someone like me..do you really want to end up in heaven? It's full of God fearing, bible reading, bubble people. Not exactly who I want to spend eternity with.

Satan (according to Christianity) is actually condemned to hell himself basically. God created hell and satan is just binded to it because he (who actually was an angel) betrayed God. Gay people go to Heaven too... All you need to get to Heaven is believe in God, and that Jesus died on the cross for everyone's sins. Murderers can go to Heaven, adulterers can go to Heaven, transgender people, gay people, etc.

Posted by Areo

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So the all loving god can sentence one of his people to eternal punishment? He loves/forgives you for your entire life, but then that all disappears when he sentences you to something worse than the void? That certainly seems strange.

But you say it's about separating the good from the evil? Well:

Plus, even if you say "the bible tells me right from wrong" then I'll respond with this.

You were born to a burglar dad, your mother left. He teaches you to cheat, steal, and survive. He teaches you that stealing is the way of life for someone like you.
So you do, you steal from Christians, atheists, whomever. You still struggle to survive. You never help another soul because you can barely help your own. You commit sin after sin, unknowingly, because you weren't born in a first world country where religion is the way. You never see missionary's, because you are a thief, you don't hang around.

Eventually, you die. Then your judged. By what you said, this man should go to hell. But what did he do wrong? He had no chance. He never knew religion. He had to survive, and had to sin along the way to do so.

Just because you aren't born with a silver spoon doesn't mean you shouldn't have a chance.

Besides, evil and good are such a weak concepts. If we restarted the universe, right now, and instead of what we have now we had everyone do the good thing. Suddenly, your good is just normal. If everyone is like that then it isn't good anymore. Back to reality, Does doing the "good" thing mean something different to a poor man compared to a rich man? Does doing the good thing mean something different for a USA citizen, and a USSR citizen? If someone is raised in a society where murder is normal, should god judge them different? Well, that doesn't seem fair, if he does.

Perspective is different, circumstances are different, people are different.

(Note; im not against religion, I'm just trying to make you think).

The Bible doesn't answer every question, and the question you posed is one of them. The Bible never tells you what happens to babies that die, or people who never heard of the religion. That's why it tells its followers to preach the word and spread it across the world. Honestly, though, in today's world, it would be extremely hard to never have even heard of Christianity. There's a story in the Bible where a rich person donates a lot of money to the church, but an old woman donates just a few cents. The old woman was praised for her deed because all she had was just those few cents, while the rich person still had much of his riches.

When is life ever fair? You want everything handed to you, but nothing worthwhile was ever easy. You think if there was a God that he should hand down everything for you? It's your job to overcome the challenges yourself, along with his guidance. Perspective has nothing to do with it if you involve religion in it. There's no perspective on good and bad. It is wrong to commit murder, no matter how you were raised. The whole idea of religion, though, is not what you've done, but how you change. You can't expect religion to simply be easy because we are all sinners. The goal is to overcome the challenges you face.

Posted by Vicipower

I can't believe people can call "Satan" the evil in the world and even believe in hell nor heaven, when it was God who had let millions of children, parents and animals die because it was simply "his will".

She is saying something completely different, how are you even able to relate what shes saying with jail? She does not want to follow the rules of an old book which was written (imo) by hypocrites,

Exactly because of that^

Most people who have evolved with time obviously realized that the church had to break their own rules to still be able to attract followers, because who in the right mind would support the things they've done in the past?

Now if you'd ask me, I think anyone who is still able to support the Church or any religion that did those horrible actions back then, needs to seriously rethink their choice in religion. Because if you would be disagreeing now with the things the christian church did back then, you would most likely get executed, so how could you still label yourself to that religion? Even if it has changed now, the first old book isnt going to.
Only one pope ever apologized but ykno, after a few thousand years. Bit late if you wanna ask me?

Most likely everyone on earth broke those, which means we are all literally going to hell, and imo thats the best place to be, RIGHT MANGSI
Because who the hell would prepare their entire life just to die and go to heaven?

Another really funny thing why most people have a weird image on satanists (laveyan ones I suppose):

Spoiler

Not trying to disrespect anyones religion here, I'd just like to see what people have to say about the things the church did back then.

The church was corrupt, and what they did actually went against the Bible and God. Also, why does everyone seem to think your actions determine whether you go to Heaven or hell? They don't. Also, why would you want to prepare your entire life to go to hell? The bible tells us that we cannot judge others, for we are all sinners. We don't even know what truly is right and wrong, we just developed our own concept of it. (Assuming Christianity is correct) Who would you be to judge the God that always was, and created everything you know? Our small-minded, ignorant selves on Earth cannot possibly comprehend the reasoning of a God that can do anything. Dying on Earth is partially worthless, because the real goal of life (again, assuming Christianity is correct) is going to Heaven. You think about when everyone died (I believe you're thinking when he flooded the world) but really they just died to be saved.

It is your own belief that determines what you think, but many of you are now criticizing how a Christian can believe this stuff when the Bible says (some story). But most of your stories, or the intentions or ideas of them are wrong.

Just a little add-on (maybe not so little). I'm a Christian but I support gay marriage. Sure, the Bible says it's wrong, and I believe that, but I don't judge others for it. I commit many sins every day, and in God's eyes, all sin is equal. Who am I to judge other's sins? In the perspective of a Christian, our life on Earth is one giant test for our eternal life in Heaven. Our Earthly lives are all about serving others and God, so that once we die on Earth, we can be rewarded with eternal life in Heaven, where everything is perfect (which no one can even comprehend).