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CM... it is ridiculous as it sounds, though. What is your answer to stop them? Stop banning them? Let them spar in the streak room to 4,000 spars because "banning them won't stop them from just doing it again anyways"? What are you saying exactly? That banning hackers isn't an effective way to deal with them? Then what is? Shutting down iClassic?
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I never said that. I just said that they keep coming back and the only thing we can do is keep banning them and hope they eventually stop. I didn't say anything about not banning them anymore.
The problem isn't that they're being banned enough. The problem is they keep coming back. Even if there are people dedicated to these areas, people will keep coming back.
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If what you're telling me is true, that there's no way you can do better with the hiring process, then why are there still problems? And why are other organizations, companies, etc capable of screening volunteers and hiring employees who don't cause these problems?
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Once again, never said that. All systems have flaws. If you have suggestions for how to improve the system, they are appreciated.
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This is ultimately the question you should be asking instead of insisting that your method is infallible. In the end, you and your team are the front facing community presence of Toonslab, even though you're only volunteers, because god forbid Xor, MD or unixmad make a public statement about something. You have to live up to that professionally and if there's way to improve then you should be trying to find them.
I'm still not talking about code - again, it was a parallel example. Dusty and fp4 have worked magic with the code despite engine restrictions.
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One final word on this topic. GPs have no involvement with that whatsoever. Even if a GP wanted to get involved with that, they probably wouldn't be able to.
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If you put your mind to it I'm sure you could work magic with the current tools available for dealing with problem players, specifically hackers in this case. You just need better approaches to finding and getting rid of them in a timely manner. You can't rely on code as you and I have both stated, therefore to do that, you have to rely on and hone your team's habits, response times and approaches to dealing with hackers or hire more effective volunteers.
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I'm sure everyone on the staff team would love for all of the hackers to disappear, but unfortunately it doesn't work like that. The best they can do, as you said, is coordinate times, but there are just simply those times when nobody is online to do anything, and sometimes that isn't preventable.
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We've been giving you suggestions for three pages now and you're just telling us how they're wrong, despite many of us having more experience and giving you perfectly reasonable and effective suggestions.
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For the application process? I haven't seen anything other than "hire people with more gameplay". Like, okay, I'm sure the higher ups would love to hire more players experienced in those aspects of gameplay, but things like ban/account history cannot just simply be overlooked, and that is the way the application process will always be, no matter what shape or form it takes.
Personally, I think there should be a portion of the application that gives situations that the player must respond to. Someone suggested this here and I've been an advocate for the idea because I feel as if it would give an idea of how the player would do in certain situations. Things like "You see your best friend who is an admin adding hats and multiple other items to their player account while nobody else is online", just as an example.
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So you acknowledge the problem. But for every success story (is he even a success story? I can't tell from the context) you have about hiring some immature kid who effectively bluffed their application and went on to do well, you have three more people who have caused enough problems that a large portion of the community feels a bigger discussion about the way admins are hired is warranted.
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Yes, the problem exists. Based off of his post I would assume he was terminated from his position, but I don't even know who he isn't so I wouldn't know.