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Ok try to run a good guild without kicking any members and use the same 25 members. I guarantee you will fail lol. Anyway stick to the topic lol.
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Project Soul back in 2010 did that, but we did have one sub. It was inactive for the most part, though. We had 25-35 members, and got to 1k fine.
But you do have a point, it's basically
necessary to use sub guilds and kicking to have any chance at competing with the "new generation" of tower guilds.