Bombs, arrows and lanterns should all be disabled in towers. Everyone knows that these weapons don't belong in spar, and I think towers should be the same way. Most people already don't use them in towers, but think of the times you DO see people using them:

- noobs who literally have no idea what they're doing so just start bomb or arrow spamming
- people just trying it out to see if it's a viable strategy, most abandon it pretty quickly
- people being toxic (suiciding, intentional spamming, or killing guild members)
- people who genuinely try to use them sparingly in strategic ways (THIS GROUP IS THE MINORITY)

Do we really NEED them in towers? Do they really add anything? Or do they just mess with the flow of combat and attacking/defending? They would of course still have uses in overworld pk, bk, and farming (lets face it, bombs are more of a farming tool than a weapon). I'll also leave you with the memory of mounts being usable in towers. That was weird, and I think these other items are too.  

I feel this is a troll thread, But in case it isnt. Why are you comapring Spar, To towering? And why wouldn't you be able to use them? I mean I don't really see where else we would use these in  

Posted by Rusix

I feel this is a troll thread, But in case it isnt. Why are you comapring Spar, To towering? And why wouldn't you be able to use them? I mean I don't really see where else we would use these in

I feel this is a troll post, but in case it isn't. Spar is similar to towering in the sense that they are both competitive combat activities on Graal Online Classic. If one of them is seen as being a sword-only activity, with no place for alternative weapons, so can the other one (if you use some imagination). Your second question is pretty much addressed by my entire post. Maybe I should have emphasized that the PRIMARY downside to these items in towers is the issue of them being used in a toxic way. Your final issue was also addressed in my post, which you would know if you had read it.  

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Noobs should all be disabled in towers. Everyone knows that they don't belong in spar, and I think towers should be the same way. Most people already don't use them in towers, but think of the times you DO see people using them:

- Guilds who literally have no idea what they're doing so just start inv spamming
- people just trying it out to see if it's a viable strategy, most abandon it pretty quickly
- people being toxic (suiciding, intentional spamming, or killing guild members)
- people who genuinely try to use them sparingly in strategic ways (THIS GROUP IS THE MINORITY)

Do we really NEED them in towers? Do they really add anything? Or do they just mess with the flow of combat and attacking/defending? They would of course still have uses in overworld pk, bk, and farming (lets face it, noobs are more of a farming tool than a weapon). I'll also leave you with the memory of mounts being usable in towers. That was weird, and I think these other items are too.  

Restricting a main gameplay point like this would only further kill the game.
No arrows or bombs in a tower kills the lighthearted moments we've all had.  

Posted by 4-Lom

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Noobs should all be disabled in towers. Everyone knows that they don't belong in spar, and I think towers should be the same way. Most people already don't use them in towers, but think of the times you DO see people using them:

- Guilds who literally have no idea what they're doing so just start inv spamming
- people just trying it out to see if it's a viable strategy, most abandon it pretty quickly
- people being toxic (suiciding, intentional spamming, or killing guild members)
- people who genuinely try to use them sparingly in strategic ways (THIS GROUP IS THE MINORITY)

Do we really NEED them in towers? Do they really add anything? Or do they just mess with the flow of combat and attacking/defending? They would of course still have uses in overworld pk, bk, and farming (lets face it, noobs are more of a farming tool than a weapon). I'll also leave you with the memory of mounts being usable in towers. That was weird, and I think these other items are too.

This was honestly the funniest thing I read all day, You're getting some rep lmao  

Posted by Numbrero

Restricting a main gameplay point like this would only further kill the game.
No arrows or bombs in a tower kills the lighthearted moments we've all had.

It's not that restrictive. Go pk for a while and pay attention to how often players use bombs, arrows and lanterns. Most people don't do it and a lot of the time when you do see people using them, you'll find that their use really wasn't necessary.
Edit: You talk about killing the game. I think one of the biggest things which ruins pk for a lot of people is the bad attitude of some other players in the tower. Things like emote taunting, trash talking, and especially suiciding. How many online games are designed in a such a way that killing yourself in the middle of a fight is considered a respectable strategy by a decent number of players? Players who do this gain nothing from it. They just aren't very good at the game, so the only way they 'can get one over' on the other players is by depriving them of a kill. The lost kill isn't really a big deal, it's the player's intention and bad attitude that really bring bad vibes to towers. And of course, bombs are the most popular way to do this, and people like to use arrows to kill their guild members. Again, in what online game is it acceptable to kill your teammates?  

Posted by Meteor

It's not that restrictive. Go pk for a while and pay attention to how often players use bombs, arrows and lanterns. Most people don't do it and a lot of the time when you do see people using them, you'll find that their use really wasn't necessary.
Edit: You talk about killing the game. I think one of the biggest things which ruins pk for a lot of people is the bad attitude of some other players in the tower. Things like emote taunting, trash talking, and especially suiciding. How many online games are designed in a such a way that killing yourself in the middle of a fight is considered a respectable strategy by a decent number of players? Players who do this gain nothing from it. They just aren't very good at the game, so the only way they 'can get one over' on the other players is by depriving them of a kill. The lost kill isn't really a big deal, it's the player's intention and bad attitude that really bring bad vibes to towers. And of course, bombs are the most popular way to do this, and people like to use arrows to kill their guild members. Again, in what online game is it acceptable to kill your teammates?

A simple fix would be to have it so team members cannot damage other members with bombs and arrows.

I use arrows and bombs all the time on towers. Either to shoot people in the ass with arrows or block some losers with bombs.

Eradicating their uses will only make taking a tower one sided. Arrows are commonly used, as well as bombs, to help unclog corridors. Without these you'd need sacrificial members to unclog corridors, which is boring. Versatility makes this fun, and I'm sure the devs may introduce a friendly-fire punishment or perhaps make it so there is no team killing via bombs or arrows.

Although, I do see the strategy of killing members for the sake of resetting HP. Guilds always want to be the strongest they can be, so that's the controversy. Towers are cluttered and players cannot always utilize sparring abilities in tight spaces, so without this friendly fire aspect towers would be traded back and forth more frequently and harder to hold.  

Posted by McCullough

A simple fix would be to have it so team members cannot damage other members with bombs and arrows.

I use arrows and bombs all the time on towers. Either to shoot people in the ass with arrows or block some losers with bombs.

Eradicating their uses will only make taking a tower one sided. Arrows are commonly used, as well as bombs, to help unclog corridors. Without these you'd need sacrificial members to unclog corridors, which is boring. Versatility makes this fun, and I'm sure the devs may introduce a friendly-fire punishment or perhaps make it so there is no team killing via bombs or arrows.

Although, I do see the strategy of killing members for the sake of resetting HP. Guilds always want to be the strongest they can be, so that's the controversy. Towers are cluttered and players cannot always utilize sparring abilities in tight spaces, so without this friendly fire aspect towers would be traded back and forth more frequently and harder to hold.

Preventing players from team killing and suiciding some other way would be an acceptable alternative. Still though, MOST players don't use bombs and arrows in a good way, they just spam them or use them at random, so I feel removing them entirely from towers is still a reasonable option.  

Most players using swords for pk are out of arrows or bombs. Often because of dying while pking. If you're using anything other than the arrows/bombs/lanterns in your slots while you're pking, or towering for that matter, you're wasting your effort.  

Posted by 4-Lom

Most players using swords for pk are out of arrows or bombs. Often because of dying while pking. If you're using anything other than the arrows/bombs/lanterns in your slots while you're pking, or towering for that matter, you're wasting your effort.

16,000 kills in 9,000 hours of playtime btw  

Can I mention how many times people use bombs to block doorways and halls in towers. Its crazy disruptive and it's definitely abusing the mechanics of bombs. I wouldn't mind seeing this implemented at all.  

Posted by Meteor

Bombs, arrows and lanterns should all be disabled in towers. Everyone knows that these weapons don't belong in spar, and I think towers should be the same way. Most people already don't use them in towers, but think of the times you DO see people using them:
Staff please close this thread and van meteor from the forums 👏🏿.
- noobs who literally have no idea what they're doing so just start bomb or arrow spamming
- people just trying it out to see if it's a viable strategy, most abandon it pretty quickly
- people being toxic (suiciding, intentional spamming, or killing guild members)
- people who genuinely try to use them sparingly in strategic ways (THIS GROUP IS THE MINORITY)

Do we really NEED them in towers? Do they really add anything? Or do they just mess with the flow of combat and attacking/defending? They would of course still have uses in overworld pk, bk, and farming (lets face it, bombs are more of a farming tool than a weapon). I'll also leave you with the memory of mounts being usable in towers. That was weird, and I think these other items are too.

Anyways, HOW DO I KILL THE DEFENDER WHO IS SWORD SPAMMING THE STEPS AND I'M AT .5? I USE MY ARROWS . The arrows and bombs allow fair game in towers apart from skilled sparrers destroying everyone okay? Learn to adapt please and stop Comparing Towering with Sparring. Just like pking should not be compared with towering

Posted by Strap

Can I mention how many times people use bombs to block doorways and halls in towers. Its crazy disruptive and it's definitely abusing the mechanics of bombs. I wouldn't mind seeing this implemented at all.

Btw you could use this strategy yourself too you know right ?  

Posted by Master Shredder

Btw you could use this strategy yourself too you know right ?

If I'm a PKer whos not necessarily trying to take over the tower, how would it be effective for me to use that strat? It wouldn't be. It only disrupts gameplay imo.  

Posted by Meteor

16,000 kills in 9,000 hours of playtime btw

Sure thing bud. Spar and pk is for people who lack creativity and want to take out their rage. I'm more interested in the construction of interesting structures using the objects available for purchase and grinding cash to make that possible. If there was money in pk (or spar) I would be in there like a bad smell.