Posted by Engel

You didn't read the thread. Check it again, it isn't only about the KSG, it's about nerving a gun while people already bought it. You can't do that, so, in my opinion they need to fix the mistake they made there, by, in the KSG's case, upgrading it.

Hm, take this as an example, snk released a new gun which turned out a gun with no freeze and deals 40 damage was overpowered, what should he do? Keep it over powered to ruin the game? Same with KSG, turned out it was overpowered, fixed, done, nag, no, yet done again...  

Honestly, guns are all released without knowledge of the future.. things overall need rebalancing as new things come out.
Yes, stats shouldn't really be changed BUT, if the gun was released crap, you paid 75k. You'd be asking for it to be improved to be worth the price anyways.  

Posted by Johnaudi

Hm, take this as an example, snk released a new gun which turned out a gun with no freeze and deals 40 damage was overpowered, what should he do? Keep it over powered to ruin the game? Same with KSG, turned out it was overpowered, fixed, done, nag, no, yet done again...

That is no example and I will not take that as serious. But if it turned out that something like that was done, they should have the choice to get a full refund or if they still liked it they had the opportunity to keep it. This isn't the case with the KSG, because there isn't a full refund given nor the possibility to keep it or have a full refund.  

Same thing happened to the famas and pbp, if staff are going to nerf guns then they should at least offer a half refund.  

Posted by SnakeRekon

Honestly, guns are all released without knowledge of the future.. things overall need rebalancing as new things come out.
Yes, stats shouldn't really be changed BUT, if the gun was released crap, you paid 75k. You'd be asking for it to be improved to be worth the price anyways.

No I wouldn't, atleast in a different way than I am now. And we're not talking about "if this or that happened" because that isn't the case. Fact is it has been nerved when people already bought it, and there we have the crossed line again... Geez I explained this like 20 times xP. That is what really is wrong, changing an items stats while you already bought it.

Posted by Bandit

Same thing happened to the famas and pbp, if staff are going to nerf guns then they should at least offer a half refund.

No, a full refund. They changed an item while you already bought it, that's something you cannot do without giving a full refund or anything in that direction.  

Isn't this your third thread about this? when you had it all you did with it was blocked lethal doors anyways  

Well, I don't really care that it was already changed. What has happened has happened, I care only for what we're talking about now, making the KSG worth its price.

I can make it reduce 80% damage if you want, but i'll heavily nuke it's damage capabilities, because at that point you're just a meatshield.. You guys want to be able to soak up all the damage and still win fights, i'll say this just once.

Riot Shield is meant for when you have BACKUP aka other people to dish out damage, it is NOT a solo weapon. You can either have it half and half, aka crap on both fronts, or you can have a pretty solid defence with crap attacking.. (Which is what its purpose is)

Anyways, I will say no more in this thread as it is just a rinse and repeat of the entire thread and will go off topic.

I don't wish to sound overly arrogant, but probably can't be avoided.
Good luck with your guns.  

I just wish you guys won't change the gun stats after we buy it. That's playing dirty  

on my thread "my ideal server" i discuss a way to make a not pay2win, balanced, fair weapon system, with all weapons fair but different. now if i can do that, youd think a whole team would be smart enough to do it, ive put up ideas and whole load of stuff on how i would make the perfect server and how perfectly profitable for stefan and plausible it would be. all these players tell me they would love it, and want me to do it, and i see a staffmember from a server that has the resources to make it fair and treat players right.... and i see this crap. this dirty, pathetic, disappointing waste. dont say you cant do it, you can, you are just a bloody coward that wont speak up to your superiors for players.  

Posted by SnakeRekon

Well, I don't really care that it was already changed. What has happened has happened, I care only for what we're talking about now, making the KSG worth its price.

I can make it reduce 80% damage if you want, but i'll heavily nuke it's damage capabilities, because at that point you're just a meatshield.. You guys want to be able to soak up all the damage and still win fights, i'll say this just once.

Riot Shield is meant for when you have BACKUP aka other people to dish out damage, it is NOT a solo weapon. You can either have it half and half, aka crap on both fronts, or you can have a pretty solid defence with crap attacking.. (Which is what its purpose is)

Anyways, I will say no more in this thread as it is just a rinse and repeat of the entire thread and will go off topic.

I don't wish to sound overly arrogant, but probably can't be avoided.
Good luck with your guns.

Nuke it. I want te shield back ;)

Posted by Ace

I just wish you guys won't change the gun stats after we buy it. That's playing dirty

Exactly...  

Posted by SnakeRekon

That's just me Emera. Though, if they don't read it and choose to post what i've already explained, why should I actually even bother to try help o.o;;
We don't endorse this forum anymore, so I guess it's not so bad in regards to representing

I lol'd so hard at the last line  

Posted by Higbey

on my thread "my ideal server" i discuss a way to make a not pay2win..

Yeah, anyone with Eurocenter's interest in mind stopped reading there. It's an awesome thought, I wish they wouldn't be so money hungry, but whatever.

The really sad thing, and what gets me the most, is these kids have no clue as to how a corporation (LLC whatever EuroCenter is) works, yet they're willing to shell out tons of money from their parents credit cards to get the latest and greatest. It's just bad exploitation if you ask me, and unfortunately this is the business model many of these 'indie' developers are choosing.

Posted by Ace

I just wish you guys won't change the gun stats after we buy it. That's playing dirty

That was my main concern with the PBP when it was released, it absolutely has explosive firepower for no apparent reason. Call me crazy but it seems like the gun stats are operated on loops from week to week, one week the bar will be more powerful the other week the PBP will be powerful. I'm basing this on what appears to be users migrating from everyone using a gun one week to everyone using a different gun the next week

Posted by Era News

I lol'd so hard at the last line

What's my name?  

Posted by Engel

Nuke it. I want te shield back ;)


Exactly...

He's not turning the shield back, he is going to make it reduce more damage...  

The damage is already crap, 3 (default damage) per bullet with the 2nd rarely hitting. What next 2 (default damage) perbullet? A shotgun weaker than a starter gun x.x  

seriously, snake, just add 80% block rate and make the 2 bullets hit 3 damage (default) and 4 after upgrading? also after firing each fire make sure thr player moves fast not slow...

how does that sound?