On an unrelated note, PC players cannot walk through saints as iDevice players would.  

Posted by TD*

On an unrelated note, PC players cannot walk through saints as iDevice players would.

I'd say that's relevant to the thread.

Since its an advantage iDevice players have over PC players. That's a start, any other non-spar examples?  

PC vs iDevice shouldn't be compatible.

The game is meant to be PC vs PC and iDevice vs iDevice. How can you tell if the player from PC is better than you playing with a iDevice? No argument. Games are meant to be played fairly and equal. Either you go play PC Era/Classic or iDevice Era/Classic to train and play one another.

Comparing PC to iDevice is like comparing Baseball to Basketball and the GameBoy Advance to the Wii.  

Posted by Dawnstar

PC vs iDevice shouldn't be compatible.

The game is meant to be PC vs PC and iDevice vs iDevice. How can you tell if the player from PC is better than you playing with a iDevice? No argument. Games are meant to be played fairly and equal. Either you go play PC Era/Classic or iDevice Era/Classic to train and play one another.

Comparing PC to iDevice is like comparing Baseball to Basketball and the GameBoy Advance to the Wii.

+1  

Posted by Dawnstar

PC vs iDevice shouldn't be compatible.

The game is meant to be PC vs PC and iDevice vs iDevice. How can you tell if the player from PC is better than you playing with a iDevice? No argument. Games are meant to be played fairly and equal. Either you go play PC Era/Classic or iDevice Era/Classic to train and play one another.

Comparing PC to iDevice is like comparing Baseball to Basketball and the GameBoy Advance to the Wii.

I don't see the point of removing the option though. If someone chooses to go to mixed spar rooms, there shouldn't be a problem. Some people are confident sparring anyone with the device they're using.

Again, the separate rooms exist for this reason. You don't have to use the mixed rooms if you don't want to.  

But PC users do PK btw and can do things which normal iDevice Pkers can't do.  

Posted by Yephenpeace

I don't see the point of removing the option though. If someone chooses to go to mixed spar rooms, there shouldn't be a problem. Some people are confident sparring anyone with the device they're using.

Again, the separate rooms exist for this reason. You don't have to use the mixed rooms if you don't want to.

But how can you prove you are a better player/sparrer when you can't compare each other at all?

Edit: "Again, the separate rooms exist for this reason. You don't have to use the mixed rooms if you don't want to."

Agreed.  

Posted by Dawnstar

But how can you prove you are a better player/sparrer when you can't compare each other at all?

By practice and determination you can eventually feel confident to challenge other devices players.  

Posted by Blueh

By practice and determination you can eventually feel confident to challenge other devices players.

Pixel sparring can make you confident? Haha.  

Posted by Dawnstar

Pixel sparring can make you confident? Haha.

You'd be surprised to see it does wonders on the ego for most people...  

Posted by Blueh

Is there anything other than sparring where a certain client may have an advantage over another in the game? Because I think we've exhausted the whole spar thing more than it needs to. Just because if one is unfair in sparring doesn't make it unfair overall in the entire game. There needs to be more evidence to justify the claims made because no one's arguments has seemed to convince anyone here.

My iPhone 5 can handle crowded areas much more smoothly than my computer using Skyrider (My computer is quite well equipped). I don't know if I could call this an advantage, or just a downside to Classic being loaded through a web browser on computers. This could be fixed by making a iClassic PC downloadable client, but unfortunately it doesn't seem like that is a realistic possibility.  

Posted by Dawnstar

PC vs iDevice shouldn't be compatible.

The game is meant to be PC vs PC and iDevice vs iDevice. How can you tell if the player from PC is better than you playing with a iDevice? No argument. Games are meant to be played fairly and equal. Either you go play PC Era/Classic or iDevice Era/Classic to train and play one another.

Comparing PC to iDevice is like comparing Baseball to Basketball and the GameBoy Advance to the Wii.

(insert one of my 20 posts that I've already made regarding fairness here)  

Posted by Xavier

My iPhone 5 can handle crowded areas much more smoothly than my computer using Skyrider (My computer is quite well equipped). I don't know if I could call this an advantage, or just a downside to Classic being loaded through a web browser on computers. This could be fixed by making a iClassic PC downloadable client, but unfortunately it doesn't seem like that is a realistic possibility.

I've heard something about PC clients not being able to slide on ice. It's a problem because in an ice-race event a PC player would have more stability in the race, but skates do make you move faster. Anyway, that was forever ago when I heard that so I'm not sure if that's still around.  

Posted by GOAT

1.if theres a cap why did he test people more than once (only reason would be because they saw them moving faster)
2.maybe not everyone can reach the so called speed cap
3.quote my contradictions pls
4.my argument is that pcs are faster/stronger than devices why would I argue about fairness when I have my room and you have yours.
5.you give advice and then you do the opposite

1- Multiple comparisons is a more accurate form of measurement than a quick, one-time test. Much less margin of error.
2- Device-specific problems shouldn't propel an idea that all similar devices perform similarly. I've connected to Graal for 3 years on an iPhone, and I've never had any problems regarding speed. Your device could simply be old, or using too much CPU, perhaps.
3- too many and too lazy pls.. let's end arguments, not continue them
4- If they are, why are you discussing the difference between them? (See Thallen/Dawnstar's posts.)
5- I don't remember giving advice on the topic. But I also don't recall being deceitful towards someone. In fact, I take pride in my honesty.

Posted by GOAT

Its ok to be loyal and back up your fellow guild members ;)

Haha. I've disagreed with guild members before. Does my personal point of view have to back up another person's view just because we are in the same guild? Irrelevant, again...

Posted by Blueh

I've heard something about PC clients not being able to slide on ice. It's a problem because in an ice-race event a PC player would have more stability in the race, but skates do make you move faster. Anyway, that was forever ago when I heard that so I'm not sure if that's still around.

• Yes, PC players cannot walk through sainted players like iPhone players can.
• No, PC players still do not slide on ice like iPhone players do. Whether you think this is fair or not is irrelevant to the situation: The sliding effect requires a feature that is not available on the Facebook client that is readily available on the iPhone client. (This is what I was told by staff.)
• PC players also cannot see particle effects like snow, rain, lightning, hug gani hearts, etc. because of the above reason. That's just the way it is, and has been. Nobody can change that, that I know of.

Xavier is half correct... The PC Graal client would be able to support the features the Facebook client cannot. iClassic is actually already supported on the PC Graal client. It is a hidden server, along with iEra, iZone, and the Dev. servers. However, if your account is not on the staff list, you will be automatically kicked from the server immediately after logging on. Your account is also recorded onto a list of attempts to log on the server unauthorized. So the client is a possibility, but highly unlikely.  

this type of thread is getting extremely annoying, can we just stop? didn't read anything because i'm too lazy to read it and its always the same thing. my response will be based on sparring because i don't care how pc use affects pking, you're all just spamming in a narrow area, it doesn't really matter who is using what.

being on an ipod 5g, i'm not going to complain about pc walkspeed like everyone else does. but there is one fact that will forever remain. pc players can strafe. sure, you can say "strafing only accounts for a hit once every few spars" but that would be untrue. ive been seeing a lot of pc players recently who base their entire spar strategy on strafing. and for the future "that's your fault for letting it affect you, it is easy to predict if a strafe is coming," no, it isn't. us idevice sparrers are used to the same sets of movement, we aren't used to seeing somebody suddenly walk straight up while facing towards the right. sure, maybe you guys can predict strafes, but that's because you're familiar with strafing and understand how it works.

pcs > idevices, not sure how anyone can actually find a logical response to this, but i'll be waiting to continue this pointless flame war when you answer me. wish you'd all just shut up though and realize pcs have an advantage over idevices. the only people who are arguing for the pc side are pc players.