Posted by Talon

Bit off topic, but I still don't see why people widely consider humans to be a weak species. A weak species in relative to who, exactly? The droid army of the Empire? The random sea slug that can somehow photosynthesize?

Pff, the Droid Army was for the Confederation and the Empire had storm troopers. And Jar Jar Binx is an amazing specimen!  

Posted by Talon

Bit off topic, but I still don't see why people widely consider humans to be a weak species. A weak species in relative to who, exactly? The droid army of the Empire? The random sea slug that can somehow photosynthesize?

Physically we are not very strong. No shells, no massive strength, no poison.  

Posted by Imprint

Physically we are not very strong. No shells, no massive strength, no poison.

The Pluffy God makes you very strong, and very attractive.  

Posted by MattKan

The Pluffy God makes you very strong, and very attractive.

The Pluffy devil makes you even stronger and even more attractive. You should see the color of pus that comes out of my eyes.  

Posted by Blueh

I have a quick question for you. A personal perspective question. Would you consider yourself as a follower of Confucious? Some people consider Confucism as a religion, but since there is no diety or talk of afterlife others do not. Yet like other relgions, has an ethics system. There's something that just "athesiem" doesn't teach (other than beliefs in Scientology and belief in no diety), morals and ethics. If we truly are just animals, why not act like them? This is why I believe humans must be superior for a reason. There are tons of animals that have been deemed to be very intelligent and think faster than humans yet they aren't capable of what we've done throughout time.

When the term Athiesm is used, the first thing one wouldn't think about is ethics.

We are superior because we have a much higher level of intelligence, communication, and thought proccess than other animals. Morals and ethics have nothing to do with it.
Why would anyone think about ethics when they think of Atheism anyway? I personally don't need a religion to tell me how to act like a rational human being. I don't need a book to tell me not to murder or steal.  

There are evil people in every religion.Can we all agree on that?  

The difference between Atheism and Religion is Religious people do good deeds in the hope of being rewarded.  

Posted by Pazx

The difference between Atheism and Religion is Religious people do good deeds in the hope of being rewarded.

I disagree with that completely. Buddhism (though sometimes not referred to as a religion at all) is about finding enlightenment. Is that for self gratification? No, it's to simply feel peace with the planet.

Now as for other religions, the majority of them realise that doing good feels good. The Bible teaches people to do good without expecting "treasures". That doesn't really seem like someone hoping to be rewarded.

Regardless of your belief, doing good makes you feel good. It's not selfish to want that.  

Posted by Pazx

The difference between Atheism and Religion is Religious people do good deeds in the hope of being rewarded.

x.x that's not true at all  

Posted by MattKan

x.x that's not true at all

I'm aware, but about half of the posts in this thread have been complete bs so I thought I'd join in.  

Intresting theories...not.  

Posted by Pazx

The difference between Atheism and Religion is Religious people do good deeds in the hope of being rewarded.

I can confirm. People in my church do this all the time. I'm not a Christian, but I go there to help when their computers go haywire or something like that. Not to mention it turned my parents from awesome ones to 'I deserve a reward' type of people.  

I wasn't being serious Dragon, but part of the argument for atheism is that you don't need validation from some made up omnipresent deity to justify doing good things.  

Posted by Blueh

Now you're just contradicting yourself. I'm going to assume you never even bothered to look into things such as miracles or things that just cannot be explained. Much like how the believed heads of some saints do not decompose or rot, even after centuries past. They have stuff like this on display (their heads are pale since all the blood dried up over time). For like the 20th time or so I'll say it again, there's a reason the Big Bang Theory is a theory. It's never been proven or disproven. There's evidence supporting the theory. But it does not prove it. As there is the same for a diety, which would be completely ignorant to say there isn't without looking into it.

I didn't contradict myself anywhere there, which shows how clueless you are. The Universe isn't expanding IN space, it's expanding SPACE ITSELF. Furthermore, unlike religion, the Big Bang theory can be proven or disproven while supernatural beings, such as the God Christians/Jews/Muslims believe in, can't be proven or disproven. Thus far, there is plenty of evidence to support the Big Bang theory as opposed to disproving it. Don't bring up things like "miracles" or "unexplained" things. That's all pseudoscience. You can go on YouTube and find plenty of unexplained and bizarre things, it doesn't mean a thing. 2100 years ago mankind thought Gods were the reason that it rained, thundered, etc. Hope that puts things into perspective.

Pass high-school physics, blaze through a course we had called "Theory of Knowledge", and take some courses in general + special relativity then come back at me. You're well out of your depth.

Posted by Pazx

I wasn't being serious Dragon, but part of the argument for atheism is that you don't need validation from some made up omnipresent deity to justify doing good things.

See, I don't like statements like this. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a supernatural being. Two atheists have only that in common. They don't share the same beliefs, ways of life, etc. I know it's only human to look for the most common dominator in two people and stereotype them based off of that, but with atheism that doesn't really hold up. For example, some atheists will do good for the sake of doing good (this is a whole different subject but to be honest, whether we like it or not, people who do good are actually being selfish. I can debate this but it doesn't belong here) while others, such as Stalin, do bad for the sake of being assholes.  

Posted by Crono

I didn't contradict myself anywhere there, which shows how clueless you are. The Universe isn't expanding IN space, it's expanding SPACE ITSELF. Furthermore, unlike religion, the Big Bang theory can be proven or disproven while supernatural beings, such as the God Christians/Jews/Muslims believe in, can't be proven or disproven. Thus far, there is plenty of evidence to support the Big Bang theory as opposed to disproving it. Don't bring up things like "miracles" or "unexplained" things. That's all pseudoscience. You can go on YouTube and find plenty of unexplained and bizarre things, it doesn't mean a thing. 2100 years ago mankind thought Gods were the reason that it rained, thundered, etc. Hope that puts things into perspective..

You should try visiting this place and see how far you can get to them.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/

(or for that matter)

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/