{L*} Jake (SKorpionz)

I think that they should create player based shops that players could sell there items and maybe guns and melees too! There should be a building that you can search for other players shops, based of item names or a players name. The player should be able to customize his or her shop like a house and be able to sell the items for any price they want to. Maybe there could be pictures of the item and below it the price it is being sold for. You would have to have the item that you are selling and once you run out of the item then it says sold out in the shop. This would be awesome and it would allow you to make money and get items faster even when your offline!  

seems like a trade sytem...eeeh no  

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Posted by Ace

seems like a trade sytem...eeeh no

I dont want a trade system either... thats why this is way better, whats the main reason why you dont like it?

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Why... explain yourself, dont just spam :/  

Look at forums discussions.
for example,

Posted by Hearts Graal

Let's look at an example.
A wants to have a bar but he has a shipka.
B wants to have a shipka but he has a bar.
If there is no trading system, A has to buy a bar and B has to buy a shipka since they want the guns, a total of 320,000 gralats would be spent and profited by Era.
However, if there is a trading system, A can trade his shipka to B for a bar. They will both get what they want without spending any extra gralats, 0 gralat is spend, no profit is earned by Era.
Hence this is bad for the economy, meaning Era's (Eurocentre) profitability.

 

Posted by Ace

Look at forums discussions.
for example,

In a shop you use money (gralats) so you couldnt trade guns or anything like that...

But... Thats a great point! but what about items, they will either be dropped to trade or sold at a shop, the only advantage to selling them at a shop would be that you dont have to spend your time at the start saying "Selling items" and stuff like that...  

What's the point of having normal stores than  

Posted by Ace

What's the point of having normal stores than

good point... I still think that its a good idea that just needs to be thought through correctly  

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It won't happen because of: inflation.  

Man! I just thought I would post what I thought at the time and everyone has to hate on every little thing :/

I didnt even think that it was going to be a good idea in the first place. I just thought that I should put it out there...........  

Here's why:

Posted by Street

Hmm, I don't want to go into an economics lecture, but you are wrong on both statements.

No rational player would buy a BAR for over 200k, because they could get it at the store at anytime for 200k.

You can't make a profit when no one will buy your gun for more than 200,000.

There will be players who would sell for less than 200k. These players are the ones who don't want the BAR anymore and would rather have/need the cash for a new gun or whatever reason.

The issue around a no trade system in the game is not because we can't develop a trade system, or the GUI for a trade system... it is because the developers don't want a free economy where players can capitalize in certain assets, whether it's gun or money. In an open market, the demand of the guns are determined by the supply of the guns (supply is infinite in our current system). Prices are set by the developers in our current system. If we allowed trading of guns, in the long run the prices of guns would greatly decline way below the shop prices. Which implies no one will buy from the shops, which implies that the money is only circulated between the players.

This is an issue for any game industry. If money circulates only between players, and players are constantly making money via shells/gralat packs, pretty soon we would have TONS of money supply in the economy. There are a few issues associated with this. If players can buy the gun cheaper off another player, they would not buy from the shop. This means the money spent on the gun REMAINS in the economy. In our current system where the player is forced to buy from the shop, the money DISAPPEARS when it is spent on shop items. This results in reducing money supply, thus increasing demand for money. Increased demand for money means players buy gralat packs, which means revenue for game developers.

Basically, less guns being bought from shops = less revenue for game developers. How to prevent that? Not allowing trades. By not allowing trades, players are FORCED to buy their guns from the shops. Again, when they do this, money is taken out of the economy since it just goes to the game server (rather than to another player). When the player wants another gun, he can't simply sell his old gun to gain money and buy another gun, he has to get money buy either working (shells etC), or buying gralat packs.

Why not just limit the supply of guns? ie have a set amount of guns in the economy? You'll run into problems with item hoarding, and the difficulty for new players to obtain new items. Difficulty for new players to compete with the current players, will drive playercount down, which results in a decline of revenue for developers. If you ever have the chance to check out PC Graal Kingdoms, is is a GREAT example in a failed economy. That game's main currency is not even used as the primary currency. It is not a coincidence...over the past decade, PC Era has had numerous server resets (due to inflation) and an uncontrollable economy. Graal Kingdom suffers from an overly inflated economy and item hoarding (nearly impossible for new players to get their hands on decent items, which drives them to stop playing).

I have said it before in the past, and I'll say it again. To prevent scamming without worsening the current economy, there should be a trade system implemented only for items that are currently drop-able (not guns).

 

Personally I think eurocenters logic is wrong. Lets be honest most if not all famous mmorpgs have a trade system and seem to be well off. No offense, but there are other ways of making money rather than completely removing the thought of a trade system. First of all, they don't have to sell guns in shops. Second of all they can make it harder to find materials or guns. By doing this players will be forced to earn gralats to buy certain things from players. To do this they would have to set prices to certain objects or items based on the economy. Third of all, more gralats in economy makes everything inflate as not everyone can have the item. Even though they will most likely dismiss this post as well as the thousands of others of trading posts. I personally see nothing wrong. And if they want they could make exclusive packages or what not that you can only obtain through buying them. They don't have to make everything tradeable. I think it's more of a let down to players as some people love the merchanting aspects of mmorpgs.  

Posted by Defiant

Personally I think eurocenters logic is wrong. Lets be honest most if not all famous mmorpgs have a trade system and seem to be well off. No offense, but there are other ways of making money rather than completely removing the thought of a trade system. First of all, they don't have to sell guns in shops. Second of all they can make it harder to find materials or guns. By doing this players will be forced to earn gralats to buy certain things from players. To do this they would have to set prices to certain objects or items based on the economy. Third of all, more gralats in economy makes everything inflate as not everyone can have the item. Even though they will most likely dismiss this post as well as the thousands of others of trading posts. I personally see nothing wrong. And if they want they could make exclusive packages or what not that you can only obtain through buying them. They don't have to make everything tradeable. I think it's more of a let down to players as some people love the merchanting aspects of mmorpgs.

But Unixmad and Stefan are greedy.  

Guns? Were did gun trading come from...